Since yesterday Nadal doesn´t have a losing record against any active player,right?

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  1. Leonidas

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    I believe he doesn´t. Moreover i believe he doesn´t have a losing head to head against any former or current player who played more than 2 times against him ( players such as corretja or Hhrbaty beat him when he was a teenager, but that doesn´t really count i guess). Correct me if I´m wrong, because that , indeed, would be an awesome feat
     
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    davydenkos 5-4 against nadal
     
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  3. abraxas21

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    Kolya 5-4 in the head-to-head
     
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    Nikolay 5-4 winning record, in case you don't read the first two posts.
     
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  5. Leonidas

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    thanks
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  6. Rippy

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    Kolya is Davydenko
     
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    :neutral::neutral::neutral:
     
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  8. abraxas21

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    No :) Kohlschriber (i'm not sure if I spelled that right) doesn't have that kind of head to head against Nadal.

    Kolya is a diminutive nickname for Nikolay I think. Hence, I was talking about Davydenko.
     
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  9. KAndersonFan

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    Cilic does as well..
     
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  10. Leonidas

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    just checked and you´re right. nevertheless they played only once...
     
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  11. Rippy

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    Well it's still a losing H2H, albeit an insignificant one. :p
     
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    Del Potro will soon have a winning head to head against Nadal.
     
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  13. forzamilan90

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    federer too
     
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    federer fans can only wish
     
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    Nope, we have only to wait :oops: :roll:
     
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  16. Rippy

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    Hehe that'll never happen.
     
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    I'm sure Fed will have a few more wins over Nadal , but changing to a positive H2H is quite unlikely. This is because if Nadal is playing well , he is a great matchup gamewise against Fed. If Nadal is playing badly, he won't even get to meet Fed regularly because he will be knocked out earlier.
     
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    Cilic is 1-0, Soderling is 2-2 and could pass him soon.
     
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    Nadal is 3-2 vs Soderling. and for all the Nadal haters, this thread is not about who can or who might or who will have a winning record vs him, it it a thread about who HAS a winning record against him, please learn to read.

    to answer the question, Nikolay Davydenko has a winning head to head record vs Nadal.
     
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    Nadal is 3-2 true I forget about the match in Roland Garros in 2006
     
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    Davydenko is the only one. With Cilic, but Nadal and Cilic only met once. I don't think it's relevant yet.
     
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  22. Jchurch

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    If you consider Nalbandian active, he is 2-1 versus Nadal. Should have been 2-2 though
     
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    Doesn't Blake lead their H2H 2-1???
     
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    He was 2-1 before their last game (2-2 counting w-o), and Nadal won last game.
     
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  26. Jchurch

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    Walkovers don't count as wins. Either way Nalbandian is 2-1 and was very close to being 3-0
     
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    what are u talking about? There was no walkover, Nadal won the match fair and square.
     
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  28. Jchurch

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    No. I thought Blake was leading also, but it is 4 to 3 Nadal.
     
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  29. Jchurch

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    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=N301&oId=N409

    Nalbandian pulled out of their match at Barcelona in 2009. Not a doubt in my mind that Nadal would have won that.

    At the 2009 Indian Wells, Nalbandian was very close to beating Rafa in strait sets. However he was bageled in the third.
     
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    and Nadal just beat Nalbandian at Miami, u didnt see the match? Nadal won 6-7, 6-2. 6-2. That makes it 2-2
     
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    I lol'd at this comment big time. I will now consider 3 or 5 set matches on all Nadals wins as "walkovers". On one condition that his opponents need not play at 100% according to your analysis
     
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  32. Jchurch

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    No I didn't.
     
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  33. Jchurch

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    Not really. I hadn't seen the Miami match. And when I checked the h2h it hadn't updated.

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=N301&oId=N409
     
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  34. Sangria

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    After watching their Miami match
     
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    Nalby looked good, just that Nadal tends to do that to players. I give credit to Nalby for trying as long as he could considering match fitness wasn't up to par, but it was a great match to watch.
     
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    davydenko is kolya
    kohlschreiber is kohli, right?
     
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  37. Sangria

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    Yes 10 char
     
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  39. 16-6...ok???
     
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    That and the fact they usualy only face on clay becouse Nadal was #2 so long they could only play in Finals and he was not getting that far on hard court.

    Clay courts: Nadal 9–2
    Hard courts: 3–3
    Grass courts: Federer 2–1
     
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  41. Sentinel

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    So as per the impeccable logic of Nadal fans, Kolya is the real real genuine GOAT ??
     
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    While I do not believe in h2h in general,the reason some brought up the head to head in these discussions is because Fed and Nadal are the only two major players from this era and at one point they were basically IT as far as slams were concerned so they were pretty much on the same level as far as slams go. Ok,Nadal has a lot of catching up to do,but when you have only one guy before 2009 who won a slam beside Fed and Rafa you can see why some people analyze these two on all levels. Tennis needs rivalries and as fed was trampling everyone in his path,Nadal rose to be the only real rival for him,hence the comparisons. Even if Rafa only had 2-3 slams up until point people would always point to him as the thorn in Fed's side cause he would have been the only one to bother him at slams.

    They had no one to compare Fed to cause his contemporaries got owned by him so when Rafa came around,not only with a winning h2h,but with slam victories against the swiss,something no one managed to do in quite some time(since 2005 Fed has lost to just three players at slams,nadal 6 times,djoker once,delpo once) so you can see how it was a big deal.

    Other than Fed-Rafa you don't really see a lot of h2h discussions around here,probably because there are no other major rivalries going on right now.
     
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    There is a significant difference with leading the head to head by double number of victories to defeats like 14-7 for instance and leading a head to head by 1 match. What I would say currently about Nadal is that only 2 players lead in the head to head vs him and that those 2 players only lead by 1 match (something that could be easily overturned). No other player on the tour can claim such a feat at the moment, particularly not the other top 5 players: Djoko, Murray, Fed who are all significantly dominated in the head to head by other top players. (incidently all of them by Nadal of course :))
     
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    In Djokovic's case I wouldn't call it overall domination.

    Djokovic is useless against Nadal on clay. With useless I mean that all he can do on clay is keep it close. But on hardcourt it's a VERY different story. Djokovic has won 12 straight sets against Nadal on the Masters-series level, that's ownage of the highest order.
     
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    So you think the stat of 13>7 is more important than 16>6? I mean, if you're really gonna push it to such a retarded level, I could tell you that 16-6 = 10 and 13 - 7 = 6 and 10>6 so...

    And seriously, even THAT is a retarded way of putting it. The point is, the number of majors matter, not H2Hs. Would you rather have 4 slams and a 11-0 record against a guy who has 20 slams? Or would you rather be the guy with 20 slams...? I think it's quite obvious who normal people (i.e. those with a proper brain) would choose.

    And you're a teacher right? I hope you don't teach maths, because you'll probably come up with some funky stuff about how my maths is wrong.
     
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    federer will go down in history as a better player than nadal.
     
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    isnt Hrabty the guy with positive h2h vs both nadal and federer?

    :):) greatest generation ever...
     
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    Nadal's H2H against the other top players is highly skewed because he is not good enough to get deep into the draw on fast hardcourts (last couple of US opens the exception). Moreover, the clay season is much more emphasized in terms of tourneys versus grass which is why the bulk of Nadal's wins come on clay i.e. the other top guys are good enough to get deep into clay draws. Fed would lead H2H if there were as many Master's on grass. But even then during 2004-2007, Nadal would never have gotten far enough to face him.
     
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    And look at all his losses in slams against players he should beat. What a mentally weak underachiever, isn´t he ?
     
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    I disagree. Nadal's h2h are not massively skewed as the guy is a legend on clay,very good on grass(only good GC along with fed,roddick,hewitt and maybe murray) and can more than hold his own on HC. The only surfaces on which I would not give him a fighting chance are very fast HC/indoors. Nadal has 400 tour wins in less than 500 matches and clay has only a couple of big tourneys each year.

    Now it depends how you wanna look at the h2h's. Are we talking top 10 or top 30,top50? If so,Nadal has the skills to beat most players on most surfaces. He basically only has trouble with a couple of really good guys on HC(davy,djoker,murray,delpo etc.) and maybe fed on grass(though a roddick/hewitt could give a tough match I reckon). On clay he mostly owns everyone.

    What do you mean by getting deep in the draws on HC? Nadal's only early exits since 2007 on HC have come in 4th round USO 07'(ferrer defeated him) and rotterdam 08' in second round(seppi) if I remember correctly. So Nadal has been a solid QF/SF guy on HC for the last two years.

    Nadal has met most of the top guys on HC and for the most part has got beaten. But he has got his fair share of wins,that's how he has build his h2h's with these guys: he builds a solid lead on clay,loses quite a few matches on HC but also wins some and he usually gets them on grass,should they ever meet there. I understand where you are coming from but clay&grass is one third of the tour,HC,whatever the speed,completes the rest.

    Nadal did not get away from the 6 or 7 better hardcourters than him for the last two years at least,because he has been there,making at least quarters 90% of the time. There are two reasons it has not hurt the h2h much:

    -nadal actually won some of these matches.

    -there are more top players on HC than there are on clay and grass,which is only normal since there is more HC. If you want to win on clay you have to go through nadal or fed. Same goes for grass. If you want to win on HC you could be facing any one of 6 or 7 guys from QF onwards,fed being the first obviously. Since there are so many guys,even if Nadal gets 10 beatings from 10 guys in 10 tourneys(all in QF/SF let's say),it does not affect his h2h's much because if those guys make QF or SF in a couple of clay tourneys, Nadal will be there 90% of the time and he will usually beat them.

    If clay,grass and HC would be evenly spread,it would be harder for Nadal to keep winning h2h's because players would know that they would have to keep weapons for each surface at hand. As it is today,there are a lot of players who know that they don't have a shot at grass(federer with 6 WB) and clay(Nadal with 4 RG's) so they prefer to stick to HC,since there are way more HC events,therefore more chances to win.
     
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