Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Playtennis, Apr 27, 2013.
All you 4.0s, how would you play someone who does nothing but slice 90 percent of time in sinles?
Heavy topspin shots that land around the service line. Back them generate pace above their shoulders.
I'm not sure I agree with that. This is actually probably my favorite shot to deal with on my slice as I step in and take the ball on the rise. Most of the time I follow it into net but if not I can normally play back a deep slice. Deeper shots on the other hand are very difficult to deal with since I am forced back and on my heels.
^This. I lick my chops on those short topspin shots, move in to take them early, and get back nice deep slice approach shots that stay low. Ie: I can get aggressive off short topspin. But... Very deep stuff (moonballs, really) that pushes me way back - well, I can still take them early and slice if I want to, but usually all I can hit is a neutralising shot at best. If I hit 90% slice I would hope I get lucky and the opponent has too much pride/ego/impatience to hit moonballs all day - lol.
It's the stuff of nightmares- most of the courts I play on are low bouncing, so it ends up being about digging balls up from ankle height. Slice wars ensue, I tend to end up at the net, my opponents then tend to slice lob- If I'm having a good day on the overhead, I win.
If you find you're hitting into the net often, learn to either slice back, or better yet, to hit flat (slice will come off as topspin). Actually, being able to confidently hit slices with flat stroke is the most effective solution against slicers. Footwork is really important, because those slices will be all over the place, remember, lots of small adjustment steps. Try to move your opponent left/right, it's hard to hit a good slice on a run, especially when you hit to their forehand, it will generally be a floater, and will often land short. Better anticipation is important, you'll often get short balls, and you need to take those as early as possible. Follow up those approach shot to the net, it's hard for a slicer to hit a good passing shot when they are on defensive, or in general.
Finally, understand that some slicers are extremely good at it. We've had one in our league, he beat almost all 4.0 players and got moved up to 4.5, although I figured him out and won the last match we played.
You typically don't want to start slicing a slicer. High and heavy topspin will do the trick. Also, mix it up and come to the net with a topspin moonball. If they are just slicing you will have an easy volley.
In general, you're right, you don't want to get into a slice battle with a slicer, but it's an easy way to reset the point if you're in an awkward position.
Moonball to the backhand and follow through to the net works pretty well, against most players actually, not just slicers, but it's a tough shot to execute off of a decent penetrating slice.
I unfortunately am a slicer and I think the moonball is the best strategy against me. Slice is easy to handle and even deep heavy topspin shots are actually not to bad if I am moving my feet. High low paced balls are really a misery to deal with though as I have to generate all the pace. I counter this by running around the backhand but high soft inside out forehands from deep in the corner are also not great shots for attacking.
Dropshot, to make him come to the net. He will not slice if you lob him.
get him on the move... the slice will float high and/or short and you'll be able to put it away.
hit to a corner and charge the net
+1 slice back and come to net.
I remember having to face slicers back when I was playing at a lower level and got stupidly put in a low league. Flat and hard, sometimes it looked like it was going to go through their racket and come out the other side.
It's the spin artists I struggle with because of the high balls into my one handed backhand and being forced further behind the baseline than I like to be (I like to own the baseline VERY much).
I have to agree with you here and I am not even that good of a shot maker. My one handed back hand slice works the best with these types of balls.
As a moonballer, I agree with the moonball strategy.
It can make for some boring and ugly tennis. She slices. I hit moonballs to back her up and make her hit slices from around her ears. She slices short to make it harder for me to moonball. I come to net and volley her slice passing shot, or I miss the approach entirely. Doh!
on only the backhand side or forehand slice as well?
You can't slice a slicer. You can try but if they use a lot of slice and are good at it, your slices with make the ball even harder to get back over the net.
I play a slicer that uses a slice that bounces low, and completely changes direction to the side off the bounce. You end up running anticipating the wrong direction then miss the shot.
I just started running at the point of the first bounce and attacking it before it has a chance to change direction. This specific person tries for a flat winner after that since I'm closer to net, and that's when I MIGHT slice back, run closer to net then volley or lob him.
Get down low and drive it. You can't pull your swing at all.
come to the net and get ready for the slice lob
As a "part time" slicer....I will tell you that a deep top spin shot and you follow in behind is effective....BUT, you better get all the way to the net. If you stop around the service line, you're dead cause I will put it right on your foot. And someone said that you have to get low to return a slice....that is right on. If you do not get down and keep your racquet head up, it will go straight down into the net.
in theory is passing shots wont be quite as good a more top spiny hitter + his lobs might be a bit easier to track down so you can be aggressive and take the net.
going to the net vs anyone is a pretty good strategy though.
+1. Got a guy on our team that slices 100% of the time lol. So I just charge the net.
Honestly, I'm either better than 4.0 or my practicing works for me. I never have problem dealing with slice shots. It's actually harder and lower percentage for your opponent to do great slices, especially "90%", than for you to do regular, offense groundstrokes back at him. If slice was such a weapon, you'd see alot of it at ATP and WTA already.
Deep heavy topspin moonballs to the backhand corner.
And patience. Resist the temptation to go for a clean winner. Wait for a short ball and attack the net.
It is used alot on the tour. Federrer returns serve a bunch with a slice.
I agree with those who say hit deep shots. The farther back you are able to push and keep him, the less effective his slice will be as far as hurting you. Because slice tends to tail away and stay lower, pushing him back deep will require him to hit his returns higher in order to clear the net and if you are prepared and willing to move, you should have some opportunities to pick off some returns. Slice is typically more of a defensive style of play than offensive, but it becomes a weapon when it gives you problems with your own game or forces you into things you don't want to do. Use deep, arching groundstrokes that land near his baseline, and if you can, throw in some moonball lobs. The key is patience and being willing to work the point and wait until you get the opening you want.
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