Snauwaert HiTen vs modern Extreme Spin racket

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  1. joe sch

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    Im a player that prefers the older, heavier, more flexible graphite rackets. I am always impressed when playing
    with the vintage Snauwaert HiTen rackets regarding the spin capabilities which mostly result due to the sparse
    open string patterns, 12x14 used by the HiTen racket designs.

    I play tested a modern racket called the ES 100 (Extreme Spin) this weekend which had a 14x16 and was very impressed. The spin capability was very impressive, probably on par or better than the HiTens. I was hitting lots more topspin and slice on my groundies and big kicks on my serves. It was very surprising and enjoyable.

    I took a few pictures to show this racket compared to the HiTen.
    Are there other modern rackets made for extreme spinning with open patterns like 14x16 ?

    http://www.woodtennis.com/extreme_spin/snauwaert_hiten_es100a.jpg
    http://www.woodtennis.com/extreme_spin/snauwaert_hiten_es100b.jpg
    http://www.woodtennis.com/extreme_spin/ES_100a.jpg
    http://www.woodtennis.com/extreme_spin/ES_100b.jpg
     
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  2. Kick Serve 14

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    that racket looks pretty sweet. ive never seen anything that comes stock with those kind of string patterns, what's the name of the company that makes the red one, extreme spin? or is that just the racket model? how old is that, and which one gives more spin, is it the Snauert? that would be what i would assume...
     
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  3. joe sch

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    The string pattern also uses a "pyramid" type spacing which is patent pending. This racket is special in that low tensions like 50..60 pds actually do not produce the expected trampoline effect. I will not reveal the company on the TW boards but will let you know if you email me.
     
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  4. AndrewD

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    Joe,

    If that's the case then I'm truly astounded. The Snauwert Hi-Ten 50 was the most outrageously spin-friendly (more like fiendish) racquet I have ever used. I really am struggling to imagine anything coming remotely close to it.

    That said, I did always feel that a key to the Hi-Ten 50's spin potential was the extremely thick gauge strings it forced you to use. What were you using in your Hi-Ten and the other frame?

    As for interest in the racquet, my brother played the Hi-Ten 50 from its inception right up until about 2 years ago when his last one broke. I'm sure he'd be very interested in hearing your impressions of this newer frame. But why no standard length models and why do they need the uncomfortable shape?
     
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  6. joe sch

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    Andrew,

    Aside from the common open string patterns, these rackets used opposite ends of the string/tension setups.

    The HiTen was orig strings, approx 12g at high tension of probably 75lbs

    The extreme spin was MSV Focus Hex 17L at 55lbs

    Like I mentioned, I was very surprised I had soo much control with spinning ability. I sorta felt like Nadal in that I could whip the racket thru groundies generating tons of spin. I normally try to play more like Federer flattening out blasts. Serving was also very fun as I was able to get tons of kick bringing the bounches over the receivers shoulders height.
     
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    Same here, late august i took the Hi-Ten 25 for a spin, i was shocked by the pattern, the spaces were extremely big but i was very surprised what a control that racket had, i couldnt hit the ball long, stayed nice on the strings with bite, the Hi-Ten is a very good racket! very well made.
     
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    Looks like an interesting racquet since I have never played with anything close to that open of a string pattern. So how comfortable/arm friendly was this modern spin racket? Looking at the companies website, it looks like all the racquets, including that es100 (I assume that stands for Extreme Spin 100 sq. in.), have a stiffness rating of 70 and it recommends stringing 15L (1.35) full poly at 65 lbs. Sounds pretty harsh to me, but it looks like you were playing it with a different set-up.

    Also, how long did it take break the MSV Hex? That open string pattern has to be brutal on the durability of the string, which is why I am guessing they recommend a 15L string size.
     
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    I can´t find anything about this new racquet. Where are information of Vortex racquets?
     
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  10. joe sch

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    Did not hurt my arm at all. Modern rackets with poly setups do hurt my elbow after 1 hour of hitting.

    Did not feel stiff with the strings and pattern. Recommended tension is 50 .. 65, I like the lower end. I have played 6 hours with racket and have not noticed any wear on strings or loss of playability.
     
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    I hope TW can carry these rackets but if you do buy one, please give me a referral joesch@woodtennis.com
     
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    Does it come with a self feeding string system like a weed-eater? Just bang it on the ground and more string comes out? Otherwise you'd probably need to buy 12 of these to play a match with.

    LOL... I see they only recommend 15 and 15L poly in them :)
     
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    Agreed. Certainly not easy to locate on the web *hint*.

    I took a stab at the name and hit it on the first try!

    http://www.vortextennis.com/website/
     
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    Maybe you are just trying to be funny and did not read my prior statement that I play tested a model with a 17L string and have over 5 hours of hard hitting/spinning with no apparent wear on the strings.
     
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    Vortex ES133

    Vortex ES133

    Length: 28.5 inches
    Pattern: 14m x 15c :shock:
    Weight: 9.8 oz (strung with 1.45mm Mega-Spin String)
    Flex: 70 lbs RA

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    Ban them I say!

    There's nothing more difficult than trying to hit a ball bouncing around your shoulders, and I'm only 5'8", which means with one of these, my opponent will probably kick it over my head!
     
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    Jimbo, You need to blast balls off the rise. Connors was one of of the best ever at this skill. Agassi and Federer are two others great at taking balls off the bounce.
     
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    Indeed, although I'm lacking some of the skill of the above:)

    And I saw Davydenko hitting it really early last week at the O2, absolutely incredible to see this live!
     
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    I hope rewiews about this interesant racquet. :-|
     
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    You were fortunate to get to see Davydenko play. Many dont respect his awesome skills ... one of the best movers and cleanest hitters ever ! His ability to hit balls early using his smooth relaxed court movement like Federer.
     
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    He really was playing amazing tennis!

    Not only hitting the ball early on the rise, but also right out in front of himself, just great to watch!

    And his movement was so quick across the court, and he even came to the net quite a lot and volleyed well, I was really impressed with his play:)

    He has been in the top 6 at the end of year rankings for the last 5 years, but somehow goes under the radar, at 28 years old he should have another few years left yet, will be interesting to see if he can finally do better in one of the 5 set tournaments and get to a Grand Slam Final.
     
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  22. Mr. Tennis

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    REVIEW: VORTEX 100 & 116.

    age: 38
    style of play: old school serve and volley
    current racquet: Dunlop Mcenroe
    strings: Gut
    USTA level : 5.0

    I loved botH racquets but for my style of play I liked the es 116 better. This was quite shocking as I have never played with a head size larger than 98.I was shocked at how manuverable the 116 was.

    Now to Answer the question on everyones mind.....NO this stick does NOT give you some wild unfair advantage and does not produce superhuman spin that causes the ball to kick over the back fence.

    Having said all that.....the strings do create great control and in the right hands this stick is a serious weapon.

    The danger for thia company is copycats . I don't see how they are going to stop anyone from copying them. Sure the patent office will take your money but if challenged I don't think the patent will hold up. I mean could you stop someone from making a guitar with 3 strings on it?

    I did love the racquet. Touch shots and drop volleys were dead on. Serves were great. I loved the racquet and I am going to switch to it .

    Having said all of that Im not sure it's the right racquet for everyone. For my style of touch amd placement it worked great....but Im not so sure it would work well for the modern game.

    I will have a friend demo a couple of the other models amd we will report back.

    But I loved both sticks and I do believe the descriptions of the 116 and 100 was dead on. The 116 is shockingly for a touch serve and volley game while the 100 is for modern topspin game.

    Tune in later when I test the 108 and the 133
     
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  23. Mr. Tennis

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    Again.....as far as the patent ....I think if they were challenged they would lose . Big deal the pattern is "pyramid shaped". Other racquets at "V" shaped. They simply turned the "V" upside down amd now call it a "Pyramid" shape? How is that unique? I don't think that latent can stand up. I guess it's a matter of opinion but i don't just don't see anything "unique" enuf to patent. But who the hell knows.

    As far as the stick am stringing system....I loved it.
     
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