So 36 yr old Haas beats young rising gun Nishikori in straight sets?

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  1. BreakPoint

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    And 35 year old Stepanek nearly takes out world #1 Nadal?

    And 32 year old Federer just keeps on rolling?

    Can you say "weak era"? :shock:
     
  2. chjtennis

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    Definitely no. Just another confirmation the depth in early 2000s was not thin at all.
     
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    #2 least palpable truth after the closing of the ozone hole.
     
  4. WhiskeyEE

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    It is hilarious.

    All of the people who claimed that the mid-2000s was a weak era are slowly being silenced. The real weak era began in 2013 since elite athletes have recently been choosing to play other sports. Now most of the elite athletes left in the sport are pushing 30 or 40 and still dominating.
     
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  5. Fastpace Ace

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    What constitutes a strong era? Isn't it all relative anyway? Especially to those who have never made any money playing professional tennis? Please.
     
  6. BreakPoint

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    Any era in which 1HBH players and serve and volleyers dominated. :shock: :)
     
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    LOL, people are still arguing about strong/weak era(s)... :)

    Anyway, Haas was No. 2 (and you don't reach the top two by luck or accident), so this night's result is not that surprising.

    Also, he beat Djokovic last year at Miami and Federer at Halle, so he is not some club player...
     
  8. BreakPoint

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    Yeah, but Haas was #2 TWELVE YEARS AGO! :shock:

    And for only 5 weeks total (it was consecutive weeks).

    And he hasn't been close to #2 ever since.
     
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    Haas is top fit physically. Older players are now capable to play longer than it was usual 10-15 years ago. Not so surprising for me.
     
  10. Day Tripper

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    Those who think the early 2000's were a weak error either didn't follow tennis at that time or are living in a fantasy world.


    At the time Hewitt was being hailed as the next 'all time great' tennis player. Roddick was being championed as another all time great ... and then along came a player by the name of Roger Federer.
     
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    Most people dampened on Nishikori a year or so ago - he's not a 'rising gun' (whatever that is). Give me Haas vs Dimitrov/Gulbis and we'll see.
     
  12. BreakPoint

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    Really? Nishikori just won an ATP tournament a couple of weeks ago, and he had chances to beat Nadal at this year's Aus Open.
     
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    weak era

    thx
     
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    Fed will win U.S Open 2089

    you heard it here first
     
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    Not a very strong era but Federer isn't just another 32 year old...he's the greatest player to play tennis in the open era.

    Nadal is NOWHERE near his best yet he's number 1, at this rate I will bet Federer or Wawrinka can get to number 1.

    Haas was touted as a slam winner in the late 90s especially with his run at the Australian Open in 1999 but due to serious injuries, confidence lapses and having to look after his parents in 2003 things never really got together for him.

    If Thomas Johansson can win a slam well Tommy Haas sure as hell can win a slam! Haas and Federer are not scrubs they're are two talented amigos regardless of age.
     
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    That dude is incredibly fit. Wife and I saw him at a smallish tourney last year on training courts and on center court us in front row.
     
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    haas...don'tlikehim! Wish Nishikori won this :eek:
     
  18. BreakPoint

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    Seeing how weak this current era is, perhaps both Sampras and Agassi should un-retire and come back on tour? :shock: Heck, I'd bet even Edberg can come back and take out a lot of these current baseline bashers. :)
     
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    Haas is an example of what extreme bad luck and real injuries can do to your career.
     
  20. urundai

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    Haas is a great player but this is what happens when you make the courts so slow....Oldies turn to Goldies as they have ton of time to execute their shots.

    I was watching the Nadal & Dog moon ball it at each other and it was almost like watching clay court match on HC.

    This homogenization of surfaces is making tennis almost one dimensional and boring to watch.
     
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    Urundai,I was at that match and they had some of the fastest ground exchanges I've ever seen, Dolgo was absolutely crushing backhand crosscourts! It was pure awesome.
     
  22. BreakPoint

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    I disagree. The slow courts make points last much longer which makes it much tougher on older bodies, joints, and knees. What older players want are much shorter points, the kind you can have on much faster courts. That's why Sampras became a pure serve and volleyer as he got older. If you're old, you'd much rather attack the net to end points quickly than run side-to-side all day long on the baseline. That's tough to do these days on these slower courts.

    But I do agree with you that almost everyone plays the same game these days which makes it very boring to watch.
     
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    Right... because Stepanek almost beating an out of form Nadal for the first time in his career proves that was a strong era and this is a weak one. I come here to laugh now.
     
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    Is it safe to say that if Haas switches to a 98 racquet like Rogi that he can GOAT to the finals of the SEO next week?
     
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    That's a serious misinterpretation. Nothing to do with the surface, Haas is a great HC player and Dog yesterday's shotmaking was awsome, taking balls on the rise and moving so fast inside the court.
     
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    I stand corrected then. It must be the TV angles. From the TV angles, looks like both of them were putting so much top spin with limited penetrating shots.

    But, even the LA times newpaper column today, puts the IW as a much slower HC.
     
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    You got it. An old 35 year-old serve and volleyer shouldn't even come anywhere close to beating Nadal at a tournament that Nadal has won 3 times.
     
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    S&V used to be an aggressive game plan - players would come in to gain statistical advantage.

    With poly strings and slow surfaces it has become a passive one - players come in, give the advantage to the baseliner, and pray that they slip and miss that routine passing shot. They are no longer in control of the outcome of the match.

    Approaching the net at the right time is still an aggressive play. S&V on 100% points is no longer aggressive, unless you have the wingspan and height of Dr.Ivo.
     
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  30. urundai

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    We have to probably agree to disagree. While old players try to finish points quick, it's not possible in today's tennis, with polys that allow a baseliner to put lots of topspin and make passing shots.

    Guys like Haas and Hewitt have great endurance and can play for few hours. What age has done to them is to make them a bit slow. With slower courts, they have a greater chance of reaching the balls without hampered by slowness due to age.

    That's anyway my opinion. Maybe I am wrong but no successful pure S&V players in tennis makes me thing no one wants to even try S&V all the time due to technology advances.
     

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