So far it's all going in Rafa's way

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  1. roysid

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    Is there any grand slam tournament with such a foregone conclusion in first week itself.

    Rafa is brutal as devil in his matches. Whereas when I saw Djokovic playing it looks like the djoker of 2009. Can't win rallies with confidence. It was some luck that he didn't get ousted against Seppi. Same for Federer.

    To Rafa's luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck of the draw even Tsonga, Del Potro, Berdych are all on the other side.

    Does anyone really think that FO men's can have any other result.

    On women's, as usual it's anyone's game. But Sharapova has a golden chance here.
     
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    It's hard to say who's going to win on the women's side, as it always is. Though for Rafa, it's almost like it was drawn out like that before. This year, like previous years, is nothing more than who is fighting for table scraps. Nadal will take the title (again) and everybody else is just watching.
    Can he be stopped? Sure, if the court was blue.
     
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    Possible(probably unlikely) upsets:

    1. David Ferrer will relieve himself of his status as Nadal's lap dog by beating him in the semifinals.

    2. Almagro will beat Nadal in the quarters.

    3. Andy Murray grows a pair and makes it to the semifinals by beating Ferrer and then beating Nadal.

    4. Nadal will lose in the finals against either Federer(lol), Djokovic, Berdych, or Delpo.

    Nadal has it easy once again, happy birthday to him.
     
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    JakeMCClaine and Ferrer.
     
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    And Ferrer is Nadal's lap dog how? Ferrer is a fighter, a hard working overachiever, and he's never bent over for Rafa (unlike some of the bigger names.)
     
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    id give ferrer a fighting chance if it was HC. clay? no.
    murray looked great last year and hes played successful against nadal in slam matches before. but only on HC as well.
    still hes the only one who id give more than a 0 % chance to take it to nadal in his half of the draw. after all if they meet it will only be the SF so no reason for him to choke his heart out. but still he had like 18 BPs last year and couldnt even take it to 4.

    you know nadal can pretty much only beat himself when a 30 YO federer is his greatest danger at the french open
     
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    Looks like Fed should start pushing against him :)
     
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    Weak clay era is weak.
     
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    Nadal has had it too cruisy this week, I believe when he starts running into strong competitors he will crush under the pressure.
     
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    I'm not entirely sure if this is a serious analysis, or if you're a Fed fanatic trying to jinx Rafa's chances. I'm sorry, but TW has made me suspicious of anyone not including Rafa and some form of abuse in the same sentence.
     
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    Djoko has to go to his 2011 form to have any chance against Nadal. Rest no chance
     
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    Who might these strong competitors be ? Tsonga ?
    Murray/RG ?
    Boys from the local club - Granola/Ferrer/Mugro ?
     
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    We need a good ferrer and a good murray to slow down the spanish bull otherwise the title is in his pocket
    Given the level of play of Djoko and RF, there's no way Nadal wouldnt destroy them in the final
     
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    I'd say this is casual analysis based on observation. I don't believe hexes and jinxes work, but I'd be glad to :)
     
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  15. Flash O'Groove

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    Honestly, if one or all of them were on Rafa side, which one would be more frightening to Nadal? Nadal's draw seems easy because it is his draw. Had Almagro, Monaco, Ferrer fallen into the draw of Federer or Djokovic, they would have seemed dangerous (especially considering the current level of Fed and Djoko)

    Yes he could have some though matches, but Nadal don't crush under the pressure that often at Roland Garros.
     
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    People overlooking the fact that Schwank took 8 games off Rafa? That the last set was a 6-4? Hmm, good thaing it was a 192 ranked doubles specialist and not someone playing like a Delpo or Seppi in the form we saw yesterday. Good thing the "luck" of the draw keep those guys away from Nadal. His draws seem easy because they are, ITS A FACT. Their is not 1 time in in his playing history that you even remotely say Rafa had a stacked draw. Its like they picked all of his players first, then filled in the other 3 quarters with what was left....
     
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    I think you made the case yourself that any draw looks easy BECAUSE it's Nadal's. You can swap the bottom half for the top half and it would still look easy. Check the clay results between Nadal and Berdych, Delpo, Tsonga and Federer and tell me which one would be guaranteed to beat Rafa on clay.
     
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    a thread like this without clarky's views ???
     
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  19. Rhino

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    So far it's all going Federer's way, and the way of all the players who haven't lost yet.

    Ferrer looks good out there. i'd love it if he could finally do a Verdasco and bring it against Nadal.
     
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    You do realize that the top players have certain "gears" which they play in depending on what's necessary...right?
     
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  21. nadal_slam_king

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    But did you see Nadal vs Tsonga Davis Cup last year on clay? 6-0, 6-2, 6-4. Total mismatch.

    And Berdych has lost to Nadal 11 straight times (and only 3 of those were on clay). Another total mismatch.

    Del Potro, a better matchup but it would be borderline as to whether he even takes a set.

    I think Almagro is a bigger threat than Del Potro, Berdych and Tsonga. So Nadal got the toughest QF he could. Almagro almost stretched Nadal to 4 sets at 2010 Roland Garros quarter-final. It was an extremely close match all the way and I wouldn't be surprised if Almagro wins a set vs Nadal this week.

    And in the semis, Murray last year had 18 breakpoints on Nadal's serve. I think Murray has more "upside" when he plays Nadal than Federer does. We haven't seen the best of Murray on clay yet, it's only the beginning for him.

    We've seen all that Federer has to offer, and Federer has never stretched Nadal to 5 sets at Roland Garros, and last year Nadal won 6-1 in the 4th set at a time when Nadal was playing the worst I've seen him play on clay, ever (worse than 2009).
     
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    ^^^ You act like nobody ever beats Nadal. It does happen you know. Even on clay.
     
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  23. nadal_slam_king

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    But best of 5 sets on clay? You have to win 3 sets. Almost impossible. And the one guy who did that, Soderling, Nadal has maimed twice at Roland Garros since.
     
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    Have you thought about what you're going to do with your life after Nadal retires?
     
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  25. nadal_slam_king

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    Choose a new favorite player, like everyone else does with each new era. But tennis isn't "life". It's not even an occupation, for me anyway.
     
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    Almagro and Ferrer haven't lost a set yet. And Murray's back seems fine now.
    Meanwhile injured Del Potro and Berdych have to come out and continue their match today, and the winner will have no day of rest before the QF against Fed.
    Now who's the lucky one?
     
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  27. nadal_slam_king

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    I agree, I think Almagro vs Nadal will be close. They met at 2010 Roland Garros QF and Nadal won 7-6 7-6 6-4. That is crazy close for a Nadal clay match.
     
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    This is the post of the month :)
     
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    Please, the thread is not about who has the luckiest draw, it only acknoledge that the level of play of Nadal is frightening. No need to go to the Fed-Nadal war.
     
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    Even Ferrer in great form is still much less of a threat in a slam SF than Novak or Fed even if they barely get there.

    Almagro? Seriously, did the guy ever took even a set off any of the top 3 in a slam? Either of Berdych or Delpo is a much bigger threat to top players.

    And you know for a fact it won't flare up again? Anyway Murray's not a great CC player(yet anyway), clay is his worst surface. Even if he wasn't injured he's not exactly a safe pick to reach FO SF and is less of a threat than either Fed or Novak on clay.

    Isn't Murray injured as well? Anyway I'd consider even an injured Delpo or Berdman to be a bigger threat to top guys than Almagro.

    It is a handicap, especially if they go 5 sets or something, Fed got lucky there (though considering his lousy form it might not be enough).

    Hard to say, personally I'd consider Tsonga (even though it's clay) and Berdyc/Delpo to be more dangerous slam QF opponents than Almagro and Federer/Novak to be tougher potential SF opponents than an injured Murray or Ferrer (30 year old who never reached a FO SF).
     
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    Berdych has now lost 11 straight matches to Nadal. And only 3 were on clay. The easiest possible QF for Nadal is Berdych.

    Almagro played Nadal in the 2010 Roland Garros QF. The score was 7-6 7-6 6-4. That is one of the most difficult matches Nadal has ever played (and that was an in-form Nadal).
     
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    I think Rafa would rather play against Berdych, Tsonga or Del Potro than against Almagro or Ferrer.
    The matches would be prettier too. Rafa-Ferrer matches are always horrible.
     
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    Berdych was one point away from having a 2-0 set lead over Nadal at AO so I wouldn't exactly say it's the easiest possible QF.

    Regarding Delpo, the last time he played Nadal in a BO5 match on clay, he served to push the match to 5 sets.

    Almagro has never proved his mettle against any top player in a slam, period.

    LOL, no.
     
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    I sincerely doubt that, I'd wager any top player would rather face Almagro in QF compared to Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga and Ferrer/Murray in SF compared to Fed/Novak.

    Again, Almagro is a non threat to top player in slams, clay is Murray's worst surface and Ferrer never reached a FO SF in his career.

    None of this matters all that much, Nadal would have won the FO this year regardless of the draw, he's by far the best CC, he's in excellent form and the next two best claycourters on tour (Fed and Novak) are in overall horrible form.

    Depends on whom you ask.
     
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  36. Flash O'Groove

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    Del Potro, Berdych and Tsonga are more dangerous than Almagro, but none of them is really a treat to Nadal no?

    Federer being less consistent than before and having lost against big hitter in quarterfinal three time (Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga), Berdych or Del Potro could be a threat against him, but not against Nadal.
     
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    You can always count on Al-mug-ro to choke on SPs and BPs.
     
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    Nothing has gone his way,and he will not make the final. It's for the best anyway because he will just take another beating from Rolaids should he even get there.
     
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  40. mellowyellow

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    Its not about beating, Rafa for me in the sense you are thinking. Its about making him earn the tourney. It is eay to be the guy that watches everyone around you have tough matches and beat each other up. Ask yourself, how he would be sitting if he played Seppi for th 4hrs. Yeah djoko played not so great, but Seppi was not giving anything away. This is NAds storyline, playing guys who have had long matches because of fixed draws.
     
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    Very well said. I doubt any top player would want to play Berdych, Delpo or Tsonga in a QF instead of Almagro/Tipsy
     
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    Rafa is just a better player than all the others
     
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    No way. Almagro is playing better than any of those guys,and has not lost a single set. The same can be said for Ferrer,and they both just so happen to be in Nadal's half of the draw. And Tsonga is no threat on clay. He will not even take a set against Rolaids. As for Delpo,he is Fed's pigeon. No more needs to be said about that.


    I also have a feeling that both Almagro and Ferrer would be perceived as a huge threat if they fell in the the other half of the draw. I wonder why that is?
     
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    No he's not. He will lose in the quarter to Almagro,or in the semi to Ferrer.
     
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    Nadal vs Tsonga on clay Davis Cup 2011 = 6-0, 6-2, 6-4
    Nadal vs Almagro at Roland Garros 2010 = 7-6, 7-6, 6-4

    And 2010 Nadal was a lot better than 2011 Nadal.
     
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    That sure explains all of last year.
     
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  47. Federererer

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    Why is anyone even watching? Just give the trophy to Nadal and start looking towards Wimbledon.
     
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    You mean Halle where we could have Federer, Djokovic and Nadal all playing in the tune up to Wimbledon.:)
     
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    Nope. Why give the trophy to someone who stands no chance at winning it? I think we should give it to Rolaids and move on to Wimby. He's already won it anyway.
     
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