So I played a 5.5 today, and noticed something pretty odd

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  1. Bubbagumptennis

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    Okay the first set I used my babolat aero pro drive cortex plus, and everything hit, i hit long, or wide, or i framed it from trying to over swing, and when i tried to not over swing, I barely caught the tape. Lost first set 6 - 0, won maybe 10 points.

    2nd set, lost 6-3. Here's the interesting part, I took out an old IG Speed mp with RPM blast at 60 pounds!(Wow, no power at all right?) WRONG! I swung with this racquet and every bit of the power he used against me it's like I counteracted it right to him, I had my god mode for 3 games, I won the first three then blew it but anywho, I've made a discovery that you don't need those Babs and stiff thick beam frames when you reach a certain level, you just need something you're comfortable with, I'm playing with that guy again tonight. Will post results. If anyone else has any input it'd be appreciated!
     
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  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I like this post very much, and it's great that you realized that. All this talk about "oh i need the Babolat power"... Please...

    Take any frame and hit the sweetspot consistently, and there's your power.
     
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  3. Power Player

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    Yes agree. Babolats are best for real aggreassive brushing of the ball. Sounds like you prefer to drive it more, and softer low powered players sticks are much better for this.

    I went from a players stick to a Bab APDC and used it for about half a year. Had to go softer and discovered the dunlop 200. My game improved, but the main thing is you have to move your feet, be balanced and prepare on time to use control sticks. When you are doing that, and driving the ball, tennis is a whole lot of fun.
     
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  4. The Meat

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    Best racquet for good control and all around play.
     
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  5. eman resu

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    you took out an OLD IG Speed mp? come on...
     
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  6. mhj202

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    Just so I can put the post in perspective, what level are you?
     
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    I was wondering that myself, so I went back through some of his old posts. Back in January he posted a video of him hitting:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pm3Uq2KFzw

    I'm not trying to insult you, Bubbagumptennis, but one of these statements is true:
    1. They guy you played was full of it when he said he was 5.5
    2. You didn't get 3 games
    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say the guy was pulling your leg when he said he was 5.5.
     
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  8. Bubbagumptennis

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    Well that's what he said. I'm not very good at recognizing levels or anything like that but I'll ask again tonight just to make sure. Some parts of his game I definitely feel like were higher than others by pretty drastic amounts, I've never actually seen a 5.5 for comparison but if I did I'm sure I could give you a better idea of what his level actually is. I'd say I'm like a 3.5 - 4.0 maybe
     
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  9. Bubbagumptennis

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    It was also one of those moments where he had a bad streak at the exact same time as my "God mode" streak. After those three games were over he whooped me pretty badly lol
     
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    Just took a look at the video and completely agree.

    Fair enough. Trying to be fair and taking into account that we all look worse on video, I'd guess 3.5. Even at 4.0, you wouldn't be getting 3 games or even 10 points against a 5.5.

    No offense but it sounds like the guy might have been a reasonable 4.0.
     
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  11. Bubbagumptennis

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    I'll try to find 5.5 videos on you tube and make a comparison
     
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  12. Bubbagumptennis

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    Yeah, the guy I played with was probably closer to a 4.5 - 5.0, but not 5.5
     
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  13. Buford T Justice

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    The 5.5 could have been an Ultimate Tennis 5.5. The ratings in UT, which I also play, are not the same as NTRP, IMO. I play 5.5 UT, and a legit 5.5 NTRP would kick my @ss. I believe/guess/judge that the higher levels of UT are 0.5 to 1.0 point lower than NTRP.

    So, he may not be lying when he says he's a 5.5, it's just not an NTRP 5.5.
     
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  14. Relinquis

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    the 200 plus or the tour?
     
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    Not if you stick with the 99s...it's a beast. Game changer. It doesn't win you more matches but I can hit some weird power shots to wow myself. :)
     
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    Bubbagump, life is like a box of chocolates. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
     
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  17. Sreeram

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    Your video looks good actually. You drive the ball more than brushing it hence you will not be able to control a high power racquet. For me a high power racquet will give me more depth than a low powered one thats all. I have never blamed a racquet high powered, it all depends on the spin you can generate to counter the power.
    You should be a 4.0, because your single handed backhand looks stable, I am yet to see a 3.5 who plays a stable SHB. You look in good shape hence you should be able to cover the court and retrieve lots of ball.
     
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  18. DeShaun

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    How do you define stability in a SHB? At what point does the stroke become unstable? I have seen quite a few 3.5s in local tournaments which had reasonably strong SHBs by my definition. I am curious of yours.
     
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    The teaching pro at my club is a 40 year old (this year) 5.5. He was #1 National at 16's. Played against Courier, Agassi, etc. back in the day as a professional. Didn't want the travel, time away from family, etc... Recently won National men's 40's (last year) men's open in Atlanta. No way you took any points from such a player. Never mind three games. You my friend are full of ****. That is a more or less what a 5.5 player is. Unless they are sub 20's.
     
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    Ig speed is not old. About 2 years ago it was launched...
     
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  21. Sreeram

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    There are few Single Handed Backhand players I play with at 3.5 level and low 4.0 level. Most of them are not confident of their topspin backhand and use their slice more. But that is in match play. I am not sure OP has the confidence in match play to go for SHBH. They do not use their topspin BH same as my 2hander. I use close to 40% slice and 60% topsin 2hander. Also even the times when they decide to go for topspin BH they hit a good stable one, only close to 4 out of 10 attempts. Again these are rough numbers.

    By stable SHBH I mean taking a full swing and hitting a high deep ball. All most all the 3.5s I have seen have only a SHBH that just blocks the ball back instead of a swinging one. I do not count them as stable one. Hope this helps.
     
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  22. Cesar1992

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    No....that is a 6.5 player. Sampras, Chang, Courier, and Agassi are all 40. Are they now no longer 7.0? Mac is 54, and he will still beat some Futures/Challenger players.

    A 5.5 player definitely player collegiate tennis, or quit after being a highly ranked sectional or national junior. If the guy he played did not play at that level, he certainly was not a 5.5 player. Few players reach that level if they did not seriously train as juniors, or, they were excellent athletes who trained as college players and had a far, far, better than average college coach who was willing to spend the time to develop players.
     
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  23. Nostradamus

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    So Can Johnny Mac beat top 20 D1 players in college ?
     
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    After watching Johnny Mac play relatively recently in World Team Tennis and also seeing him hit with some very very competitive juniors (in Johnny Mac's own tennis academy) on a fairly regular basis, I actually don't think he would currently beat top 20 D1 players.

    McEnroe looks good and is in excellent shape but not compared to top 20 D1 players who are constantly training, etc.
     
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  25. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    It is old, people on this forum buy the new version as soon as it comes out. Necessity is not part of the equation.
     
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  26. NLBwell

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    Yes, he may have gotten 3 games off of an NTRP 5.5. He just lost a set 6-0. What was the other guy going to do - keep beating up on him?
    When I used to play my ex-wife, I used to beat her about 6-4 or 7-5. After I broke my foot and was wearing a large cast on my foot, I still beat her 7-5. She didn't understand why she didn't win.
     
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  27. NLBwell

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    Muster wasn't all that successful on the challenger tour, but he certainly would have beaten most futures players.
    JMac would be about the same level, though his game seems to be dropping in the past few years.
     
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  28. ChiefAce

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    Not true, the last loss of the Muster comeback was to a guy ranked #413, the match before that to Dominic Thiem who at that time was ranked #1890. I think Muster would have struggled and lost in Futures main draw events based on the types of results he was posting in Challenger events. He was only able to play main draw Challenger events because of WC's.
     
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  29. Relinquis

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    you guys overestimate your top 20 D1 players... coddled amateurs at university in a single country with barely a top 20 player in the ATP.

    they can't compete with the pros who populate the satilite tournaments around teh world... men fighting for their next plane ticket or to get enough money to live or be able to continue to be on tour...
     
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  30. NLBwell

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    Thiem was a far better player than 1890 - he's now at 300 or so. Generally, Muster was losing to guys ranked in the 100s to 500s or so. (Best win was vs. Leonardo Mayer at 119). Just randomly looking at a couple of futures draws, a bunch of guys have no ATP ranking and most are 900 to just above 2000. If you are #500 or above, you are going to be a seeded player. Muster was ranked in the 900's most of the time. There is a pretty big difference between the guys in the Challengers and most of the guys in the Futures. (Of course the top Futures guys overlap with the Challenger guys)
     
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  31. Bubbagumptennis

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    Is the IG Speed not the primarily white one? Or is that just the YOUtek...my memory is failing me
     
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    The IG has a transparent bumper..you have to be trolling right now.
     
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