So I played with the 2015 Pure Drive today...

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  1. Nostradamus

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    ^^^what is with pure drive team and pure drive Lite ? are they different and what is the point of these two models ?
     
  2. mhkeuns

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    Me, too. Not really feeling the new color, yet... The 2012 version still looks nice, imo.
     
  3. Bartelby

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    I like the colour scheme of the current one except the holographic Drive motif made it look too busy.

    In fact, most Babolat designs until recently have been too busy, although not as bad as Wilson ones.
     
  4. Nostradamus

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    I couldn't care less what the color is, it could be Neon with Pink highlights for all I care.
    ALL I care is about IS it a improvement over the last model and Will it help me play even better than I did with 2012 pure drives. ????????
     
  5. Bartelby

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    Tuition and training will help you play better, so we might as well appreciate the aesthetics of the thing.


     
  6. mhkeuns

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    Aren't we just looking at the pictures?:confused:
     
  7. smiley_face

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    PDT: 285g and PDL: 270g, the difference is 15g in weight. In Asia, most of best seller racquets are below 300g. Physical, genetic, fitness conditions of people here still need time to catch up with European or American people and Asia is the emerging market. Wilson even introduces the Asian version of their Six-One Tour.

    That's the point. They sell what people want to buy.
     
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  8. Nostradamus

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    then these Asians with short arms like I have, want extra long rackets. then why aren't they making more extra long rackets ?
     
  9. SFrazeur

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    If that's teh case I am all for a Pure Drive with a higher sweetspot and more polarized weighting.
     
  10. bertrevert

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    It seems to have got polarized one or two versions ago. That's nothing that cannot be achieved with lead but obviously it's an adjustment that has been adopted for good reasons.

    For us rec players any assistance outside the sweetspot is a good thing. Control higher n the hoop is going to help.

    But what I'm trying to point out that the flipside is a more open sweetspot - that's got to mean more spin.

    I cannot tell from the unstrung picture but I am presuming the sweetspot will be more open.

    It would mean another manufacturer adjusting drill patterns to enable more spin (but greater string wear).


    Candid!

    Look I like this reasoning :) and if it's a good enough reason to pick a racquet then it's also a good enough reason to put one down - darn I hate the hair-electrifying yellow of the old pro open... yeuch, but it's been good for my game so it stays until...
     
  11. smiley_face

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    Long racquet for short arms?:) Such case is an insignificant minority. They always base on their statistics, requirements, feedbacks before launching each product. Once they are guaranteed that all their products will be sold, they can give you anything, even a Pure Drive with 28 inches lenght, rainbow color cosmetics...

    That's what I think.
     
  12. Hankenstein

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    Interesting the fact that Babolat raises the sweetspot. See this old post from VSBabolat in 2010 about what Head wrote in their 1995 catalog..

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  13. downs_chris

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    I got a chance to hit with the new 2015 Pure Drive yesterday -- only hit with it for about 15 minutes...but i definitely noticed that it was softer than the previous model - feels even more comfortable than the latest APD...it also, looks like the drill pattern is slightly different -- the crosses are definitely more spread out -- that could be why it feels more comfortable (held it side by side with my 2009 pure drive)...

    overall, i was really impressed with the feel and i look forward to getting more hitting time with it...
     
  14. bertrevert

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    Woo Chris, many thanks... actual feedback!

    Yes the Babolat official in that thread advised that the drill pattern is such that the spacing is closer together in the sweetspot, for control, but further apart elsewhere for spin.

    This is a subtle variation on the Spin effect drill patterns of Wilson.

    As such it may pay dividends.

    "Softer" in a PD is welcome for sure...

    Did you try it out on serve?
     
  15. drakulie

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    The pure drive I'll be testing later next week has a stiffness rating of 73 (unstrung). The drilling and pattern of skips is definitely different than all previous models. It also now includes a "short side" so one needs to be attentive when stringing.

    will post my thoughts once I have a few hits with it.
     
  16. bertrevert

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    Man I feel like Pavlov's pooch salivating here................
     
  17. parasailing

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    Aren't we all. I have gone through so many racquets but it's a nice hobby to have. Looking forward to reviews coming in and if it is indeed softer version of the current Pure Drive, then that's a good thing.
     
  18. Babolat Official

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    I'm doing a side by side comparison all this week starting today.

    2012 Pure Drive (stock) w/ RPM Blast 17 @ 50

    2015 Pure Drive (stock) w/ RPM Blast 17 @ 50

    Let me know if there are any specific questions and I'll answer them as best as possible.
     
  19. srvnvly

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    Has the swingweight increased or decreased?
     
  20. srvnvly

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    Any feedback yet, drakulie? Thanks!
     
  21. mawashi

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    Can't wait for the experts' reviews! I really hope it is softer and has a less tinny feel.
     
  22. drakulie

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    I hit with it for about an hour strung with RPM at around 56 lbs. Stable, seems to have a little better control than previous versions. Power is about the same. Plays super stiff, and as with all pure drives, feels hollow, and vibrates like crazy, especially when hitting on the upper part of the string bed, where the "sweet spot" is located. So YES, it is still very "tinny" feeling.

    Curiously, plays much nicer, and better than expected when you hit below this area. Easy to maneuver, and gets thru contact easily. I don't particularly care for frames that feel like his like this, but would imagine many people will enjoy the ease of playing with this type of frame. The paintjob is VERY nice. I really like what Babolat did here especially with the matte black inside the throat.
     
  23. drgolder

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    I would suggest that the undesirable feeling is coming from the strings. I don't like the feel of those strings either. Try something else like luxilon and see what you think.
     
  24. bertrevert

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    Played the PD Swirly for 2+ years, then went to thinner beams and got more expression but lost oomph. Now I play a PD-clone, (Wilson Pro Open but not asking for comparisons), so having come full-circle am contemplating the new PD...


    I tend to hit slightly high in a stringbed - is the new tighter concentration of strings higher up than centre?

    Is string wear increased/reduced by the new pattern?

    Does it improve slice/volleys compared to the 2012?

    Off the ground, I think the PD has always been Power Level: Low-Medium, is that unchanged?

    Stiffness/vibration the perennial problem for older elbows. Have tried a Cortex PD and found it effective. Is there anything more preventative in the new model other than Cortex?

    We all use PDs for the serve. Best part of my game, so... (drumroll) iyho which is the better serving stick?
     
  25. bertrevert

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    So it that where the concentration of the strings are? Above centre?

    If it is then I would expect more feel, more quality feedback, and better response, all the opposite of what you found, in a concentrated area of tighter stringing...???

    You know just because there's more string on ball in a tighter pattern or in a tighter string area.

    With the Wilson Spin racquets the sweetspot is spinnier but feels a little more vague. Do you agree?

    Maybe I'm thinking too literally about this...

    I've seen your video(s) and you have no trouble middling the ball, so real happy to hear your thoughts....
     
  26. mawashi

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    Thanks drak!

    It's too bad the PDs are always tinny feeling, if only they added some denser foam or a layer of kelvar inside it might not feel as tinny. Back to my Yonex lol!
     
  27. drakulie

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    Concentration of strings are above center, and although Babolat states this is where the sweet spot of the new Pure Drive is located, I found it to be very lacking to say the least. Middle of the string bed feels not only moe lively, but actually feels "richer" than what I have found in other Pd's.

    Hitting high up really magnifies the vibration of a PD, and felt unstable. My regular hitting partner, who plays primarily with an APD hit with it as well, and put it down after about 5 minutes. He stated the same thing (felt too tinny and vibrated too much when hitting high up. He didn't care for the feel of the frame at all.

    In all, it still retains many of the attributes of the PD line (stable, moderate weight/swing weight/ hollow feeling, good power, etc), and if you hit more center, you will actually get a richer feel.
     
  28. Ramon

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    That's odd. Sounds like the opposite of what they intended. I thought it was done that way because most players hit the upper part of the hoop most often.
     
  29. drgolder

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    all racquets vibrate if you don't hit the sweetspot in the middle of the stringbed. that will never change. As far as a hollow or tinny feeling of a pure drive, I for one have never felt that. I think strings and tension are causing that. Would be interesting if you used your normal strings in a tour model pd that is closer in weight to your preferred Wilson racquet and see what you think.
     
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    Great info. Would you say that it feels like the frame remains the same as the 2012 version and this is only a change to the drill pattern and paint?
     
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    Hi BabolatOfficial. Think you mentioned this before but - do you mod your APD?
     
  33. drgolder

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    of course I would like to know how the 2015 tour compares to the 09 Roddick but maybe similar to the comparison to the 2012. maybe some day a demo will be available.
     
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    You might want to send this note along to Babolat, because according to them, they raised the sweet spot of the frame to above center of the string bed. Unfortunately, the tinny/hollow/vibrating feel associated wil all pure drives is magnified when you hit in this area.


    I've played with enough pure drives with enough set ups to determine they all vibrate and all feel hollow/tinny when compared to other frames. For example, a Pure Storm does not in any way, shape or form feel like a PD. It feels "thicker", and not as hollow/tinny. It also absorbs shots better, and therefore, feels like it does not vibrate as much.

    PD's are obviously very popular and have their own distinct feel, which is what makes them what they are, and why Babolat has never changed the feel much. Rather, tinker with other things, like adding "cortex" to eliminate the vibration from going to your hand.
     
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    agree to disagree. I felt no pocketing at all with the pure storm. In addition, the lack of a stress breaker in the frame like the cortex made it uncomfortable to me. There really is no tinny feel to the pdr. that is what the woofer grommets and cortex do, absorb shock to the arm. If I didn't have that I would need a much more flexible frame to be comfortable and get the right feel hitting the ball.
     
  36. Nostradamus

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    Is it same or improved in terms of Manuverabliity from the ground and at Net as previous model??? thanks
     
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    also, the sweet spot really isn't going to move much from the center of the bed. The mass of the frame will determine that more than the string density.
     
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    Like I said, you must be the only person in the world who has magic dust on your frame, and you may want to contact Babolat and ask them why they raised the sweet spot on the new PD to above center.
     
  39. bertrevert

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    Listen credit to Drakulie, who did also say....

    When it did hit nice - when it played nice, y'know Drak :) - what did you think of it?

    I can take some hollowness. I remember the PD swirly being EXACTLY that. And consequently felt a bit of that in my shoulder, however that was what it was. Downsides and upsides to all racqs.

    Btw, from a distance I am loving the look of the matte and rest of frame too but atm it feels like online dating...
     
  40. bertrevert

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    Good point, however I would expect that Bab would work to ensure that mass + sweetspot marry up in the frame.

    I don't suppose they would mismanage the layup so as not to ensure both work in harmony.

    Why would they?
     
  41. Bartelby

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    It seems to me that if they've discovered through PLAY that people are hitting higher in the hoop, ...

    then they've simply tightened the crosses up higher and the result should be more control and less power, although the effect would probably be small.

    I think the confusion revolves around whether people are hitting higher because that's the sweetspot or they are just hitting it there regardless.

    As someone pointed out, it's weight that shifts sweetspot higher but I think the Drives have had a highish sweetspot traditionally.
     
  42. bertrevert

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    4 tighter strings are higher...

    What I imagine happening is this...

    So, hit higher in the stringbed, which is where PLAY data says we do, and you get plushness and control, a little less power than the frame is capable of. This may tame the frame's reputation as a "bazooka".

    But middle it, hit in the middle where the strings are wider apart, and you get all that grippy unasked-for-but-entirely-welcome additional spin on the ball that comes from a spin-frame delivered to a normal groundstroke. Here you'd get this spin plus power.

    So everything middle/lower/left/right should come off with a bit more spin and power.

    Hit anything higher, which is where we usually do apparently, and you'll get control, better feel, depth control, touch.

    If these parameters are true then potentially there is only upside.

    However, this thread alerts us to "hollow" feel and tinny-ness.

    So maybe some of the frame's DNA showing thru there.

    Now, I've enjoyed the deep unearned spin (a profound change these spin racquets ushered in) of a Steam 99S and a Blade 98S, yet I've also gotten weird launch angles, too high SW in the Steam, so I left too many balls short, too much vibration in the Blade, and popped strings in both. Perhaps the Babolat may iron out some of these problems.

    Side note: sounds like Babolat may have solved the spin-racquet's main problem of undue string wear popping strings.
     
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  43. Babolat Official

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    Not anymore, completely stock
     
  44. drgolder

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    like I said , string and tension. and a lack of bias towards Wilson. you may want to ask Wilson why they use the perimeter weighting system in their frame.
     
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    while I am at it, I would also like to state that all of the comments on here about the pd hurting your arm are silly. The only elbow injury I have had in 35 years of playing was from being late on a one handed backhand. I was using a Wilson sting at the time. My son is only 15 and has used the pdr for 4 years playing every day almost all year round and no arm complaints.
     
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    Fair call, but certainly Babolat had to take action with Cortex in order to improve things after earlier iterations had a few problems. Generally, it is not younger arms/shoulders that experience any problems :)

    Will you / your son give this version a try?
     
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    If you mean the 2015, the answer is no for now. Because of it seems that there may be too much of a change in the way it plays, we have decided to stick with the 2009 pdr. He certainly has won a lot of matches with it. Again I think people who are having trouble with cortex versions are stringing too tightly. Not uncommon around here to see juniors especially stringing at 70 lbs.
     
  48. drakulie

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    I believe it makes the Babolat Pure Drive a bit more comfortable, and still retains the feeling one gets that they are hitting with a lot of power that is usually more a product of the stiffness of the frame itself. It retains its stability, spin, but a bit more plush feel. Like I said, I was pleasantly surprised. In all, a nice offering from Babolat that is very easy on the eyes.


    I've told you once, I suppose I'll tell you again, I've played with every pure drive, with all sorts of tensions, and all manner of strings including natural gut, hybrids, nylons, mulits, polys etc. THEY ALL HAVE VIBRATION. THEY ARE ALL STIFF.

    IF you have a pure drive that has a flex rating that is flexible, please do tell. (I won' hold my breath, since every pure drive ever made, inclduing the original Pro Kennex Destiny, have all been stiff and hollow feeling).

    And, you are the one who said anyone who hits above the sweet spot, which you stated as being center of string bed, will get vibration. Well, I'll inform you again. Babolat PURPOSELY, according to them, raised the sweet spot above center, and they are actively promoting this. So you may want to contact them, since your feelings are VERY hurt by this.
     
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  49. Nostradamus

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    Who care about the easy on the eyes ?? playability of the frame is what matters.

    the Fact that you like this frame does worry me. because you like frames with control oriented, Heavy weight, with HIGH swingweight. because I hate rackets with High swingweight because there just is NO room for modification
     
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    Nice paint job.
     

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