So, my name is Timbo and I don't mod my racquets.

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  1. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    (a support group for ppl with the same problem as me)

    I have been a non-racquet modder for 30 years. I have tried to change, but the farthest I have been able to push myself is an Overgrip, poly strings and a smiley face dampener...

    I need help!

    (or not)

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  2. TennisMaverick

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    What?!

    You mean you've never gone on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.....asking: "What's your set-up"?

    You don't look in the mirror practicing asking: "What's your set-up"?

    "What's your set-up"? isn't how you say "Good Morning"?

    Then if you aren't from Specmoeland, where are you from?:)
     
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  3. Cup8489

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    My god. I envy you!
     
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  4. kchau

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    im in with you, tried lead at 10 and 2, 3 and 9. didnt do it for me.

    all ive done is just slap on a leather grip, overgrip, dampener, and call it good.
     
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  5. flashfire276

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    We don't need help. Only modders need help. ^_^
    Especially for those that spend a month's wage for a pro stock racquet that is required to be modified. What a waste!
     
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  6. whomad15

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    i modified my racquet with lead for the first time about two weeks ago. 2" total at both 10 and 2, and 3-4" in the handle. Racquet became super stable and I can hit extremely heavy shots, but oh wow I did not think that 6" of lead tape would make it that much heavier to swing. Takes a lot of effort to get those shots, but worth it.
     
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    On my racquet I've got an overgrip, rubberband dampner, and clear head tape.

    Every time I put lead tape above the balance point it makes the racquet feel too head heavy compared to what it felt like before I added the lead tape. I guess I could counter-balance that weight with weight in the handle but I typically don't. So I don't ever add lead tape to my racquets.

    What I've done instead is to have the Pros at T-W customize my racquets before they send them to me. It's an extra charge but well worth the money in my opinion. To know that all of my racquet have the exact same weight, balance point, and swingweight means a lot when I have to switch racquets whenever I'm playing*.

    And the work they do at T-W is 1st class and perfect every time. They seem to treat the racquets as if they were they are their own. The lead tape is always cut straight and applied perfectly on the racquet. They modified one of my Ozone Tours so well I didn't even notice it had lead tape on it for about 7 months :shock:. It was on the inside of the throat and the two pieces were exactly the same size and in the exact same place on the two sides of the throat. I though it was just a shiny part of the racquet and paid it no attention.

    TripleB
     
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  8. movdqa

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    I put Firefox and Thunderbird stickers on my PK Ki5 PSE. Adds a little personality to the frame.
     
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  9. el sergento

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    How boring. You're like the Tim Henman of posters.
     
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    Yeah... yeah... blah... blah...

    You'll miss out on life's great experiences....

    Due the adverse side-effects of continuous exposure to lead-tape... My offspring have a greater chance of being born with birth defects... such as 3 arms.... 1 eye... and maybe even a tail.

    Not only that... but I'll collect disability checks from the government until they're 25 and have handicap parking privileges.

    So take that Mr.Pants.... :smile:
     
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    Timbo you don't know what you are missing.

    Modding is one of the highest pleasures in life, not too far behind sex.
     
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    I try not too but its so fun to try it every now and again :twisted:
     
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  13. anirut

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    Believe it or not, after all the crazy experiments, I'm now playing my Redondo totally stock. Not even an overgrip.
     
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  14. Larrysümmers

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    pretty much

    im sorry, but timbo, only 3.0's and below dont mod their frames :twisted: :D
     
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  15. Gee

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    I am modding my frames with lead since I am a member of this forum. Before I never heard anyone about customizing racquets into my region. Even not after more than 30 years of playing tennis!

    I am glad I discovered TT!
     
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  16. Larrysümmers

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    that is true. depsite me not playing for nearly as long as you,when i told my coach about lead tape, and paint jobs, seems like the most talked things on here, he was like huh? TTW has opened my eyes :p
     
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  17. JackB1

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    some racquets need mods...some play great stock. It all depends on the racquet. I prefer to leave my racquets stock, but sometimes you just have to mod.
     
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    Knowlegde is power! ;-)
     
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    You guys are hard on timbo man you threw yourself under the bus bro :)
     
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  20. The Wreck

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    I'm with you Timbo. I guess there's a place for it. But if I have to make all these changes to a racket to make it "good" then why am I using that racket in the first place? (I know, there are flaws in that logic, but still). I'd just rather buy a racket that I like on its own and be done with it.
     
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  21. Fuji

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    Timbo, you're doing it all wrong buddy! Your Bio 200's are FOR SURE not heavy enough and are way too headlight! They should be at least 13.0oz and max 5 points head light. You obviously have NO plow through in your shots, and your volleys must be garbage. Since you play such high levels of tennis, all other opponents must laugh at you and your pitiful shots compared to their heavily modded rackets...

    JUST KIDDING!!!!! :D

    I used to be like you, then I discovered how much I love rackets that have excessive weight... at least that hasn't happened to my taste in women yet...

    -Fuji
     
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  22. anirut

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    Well, Timbo, you've modded your rackets -- with string type and tension.

    Or you might have modded yourself to rackets.

    So, it's either modding rackets to yourself or modding yourself to rackets.
     
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  23. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I don't know, I have this ridiculous idea that the expensive racquet I demoed and fell in love with will work just fine the way it is and the engineers at the company might know more than me about balance and weight.

    Its ridiculous, really, isn't it?
     
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  24. Fuji

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    Timbo you are being more then ridiculous, you're border line insane!! Thinking that all these racket engineers know best. PFFT! ;)

    -Fuji
     
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  25. MarinaHighTennis

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    I used to mod with lots of lead on 3 & 9 but now my dad ripped out all the lead tape because of carcinogens.

    Its better that you get used to your racket than making the racket get used to you.
     
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  26. Fuji

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    LOL! It's people like your dad that make my day a bit brighter!

    By this logic you shouldn't eat any BBQ'd meat, never be around 2nd hand smoke, and never touch coins.

    I'm obviously just messing with you, but it's just a little food for though. Lead is basically only dangerous if you shove it up your nose and in your mouth, put it in your eyes and eat it. Avoid these simple things, and lead is harmless. I used it all the time in Chemistry and our teacher never, ever took any thought about using lead. He did seem more worried about the HCL we were using though.... :)

    -Fuji
     
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  27. TennisMaverick

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    "What's your set-up"?....said the Specmoe from the Rahn Clan.
     
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  28. UCSF2012

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    They know about balance and weight, but they don't know about you. They don't know how strong you are, your style of play, ...etc. So the way you overcome it is that you adjust your racket to your needs.

    If you're spraying your balls, you may decide to increase your string tension. You know what happens when you increase string tension? You use less string, so the racket head gets lighter. Now you're swinging slightly faster. How do you compensate? Add lead to weight it back down to your original liking.
     
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  29. UCSF2012

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    You should promise your dad you'll stop eating tennis rackets. That way, the lead will have no negative consequences on your health.

    Now, you can't add lead at 3/9. You have to add it at 12 o'clock. And place it under the headguard so your dad won't find out. :)
     
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  30. MarinaHighTennis

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    Yeah I have a problem with chewing on things when nervous or down in a match.

    Well he says when you touch it and you rub your eyes and such. But the best was burning the lead and watching it explode. :shock:

    Don't worry he never found the lead under the grip ;)
     
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  31. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Oh my, i really hope you're joking, I really do...
     
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    You can't take anything that guy says seriously.
     
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  33. TennisCJC

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    Agreed. Played Wilson BLX 6.1 95 16x18 stock as it has high swingweight and good balance stock. Tried many rackets in the 11-12 oz range and did not like most of them in stock form. Wilson BLX Blade 98 stock is good but not my favorite feel - swingweight is around 335 g stock. My opinion is most rackets under 12 oz can be improved with a little lead. I have used lead on Dunlop BIO 300, Dunlop BIO 300 Tour, RDX 500, TF Tfight 320, and Volkl Org 10 recently with very good results. So, it depends on the racket - some good stock while others need customization. My opinion is swingweight and balance are the key. I like 4-8 pts HL and swingweight 330-345. With some of these rackets, the improvement after customization was fairly substantial. TF Tfight 320 was an excellent racket stock but it was dramatically improved with about 7 g in head (3.5 g at 3/9 o'clock). It was much easier to generate pace, depth, and to play defense with the customization. The 1st time I tried it, it was like "holy poop" that was easy power.
     
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  34. skiracer55

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    If that works for you...

    ...that's all you need. I play with a Head Speed Lite, and I need to add just a little lead tape to the bottom of the head, but that's it. Other than that, I pretty much do what you do...
     
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  35. JackB1

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    You realize that when you increase tension you are probably using maybe an inch less string over the entire stringbed. That's probably less than a gram.
     
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  36. TheOneHander

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    Considering that when you break a multifilament, the broken pieces of string remain about 5 inches apart. Figuring that about 50 lbs of tension were lost, that's about a tenth of an inch per pound of tension. Let's say you drop four pounds on your next string job, or four tenths of an inch. 40 feet of string is approximately 15g, so that's .03125 grams per inch of string. Multiply that by .4 and you get .0125g.

    So you've only lost .0125g by going up four pounds. Note, this is all approximation and may not be correct, as I'm absolutely exhausted at the moment. But string tension makes minimal impact upon a racquet.
     
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  37. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I think he was kidding.

    Maybe
     
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  38. TheOneHander

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    Maybe not. If my racquet weight goes up or down depending on string tension, I play it till it breaks. Then I write to the company about how their string messed up my game and receive free product. Since I use full kevlar at 30kg, I only have to worry about this once a year. The companies never know a thing.

    Hey, I'm a grown adult who works in a apricot canning facility, I need the extra money.
     
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  39. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Pffft!!

    I like you!
     
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  40. OrangePower

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    Of course, by adding an overgrip, you've already messed with the stock weight and balance... an overgrip is about 5gm and will make the racquet about 1pt more head-light. This might be partially offset by your addition of a dampener, but then of course the whole setup becomes more polarized.

    So basically, you're just a *closet* modder :)
     
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  41. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    I told you, I have been able to push myself that far but no further.

    sheesh

    pay attention!
     
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    Yes, because Timbo is the very target market for all them engineers. They day and night obsess over Timbo's technique and bio-mechanics, so Timbo doesn't have to worry about a thing.

    All them people that like 340+ swingweight should just get bent and be limited to 1-2 sticks that have that.
     
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  43. UCSF2012

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    Do you string your own racket? You use a good bit less string than that. I feel the racket swing faster everytime I increase the tension. But you know what? Instead of making up numbers like one inch, let somebody MEASURE the difference. My rackets swing faster when I increase the tension.

    Or to make the difference more obvious, you change a 16g string to a 17g string. The difference in string mass from the reduced diameter of the string is noticable.
     
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  44. Scribbles

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    I know the feeling. I try to buy racquets that don't require modding for me....I'm too indecisive lol.
     
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  45. UCSF2012

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    Sometimes, ignorance is bliss. If you've never customized your racket, then you don't know how frustrating it is. With every inch of lead you put on, the moment of inertia changes, and you have to change your swing to compensate. Some shots get better, some get worse.
     
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  46. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    lol, mate, all I can tell you is that among my playing group, who are all open level players that coach, there aren't any racquet modders, which may mean the target market for 'player's racquets' is 5.0 and up adult males. Who knew?

    (think about it)
     
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  47. klementine

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    ^ Wow that's some group of friends you hang out with...

    How many are there exactly that are 6.0's and typically have had intensive training for national tournament competition at the junior level and collegiate levels and have obtained a provincial and/or national "open" ranking in this group?
     
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  48. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Probably 3 reached a really high level. Ken is state number 1, Marty used to play futures/satellites and Andrew reached about 600 on the ATP rankings ten years or so ago.. (I might be doing Matthew an injustice as I don't know much about his career when he was younger but he is an awfully good player now in his late 30s!)

    All of us hold national rankings (in Australia), I am somewhere in the middle of the group, I guess. We all coach at the same centre which is a regional development site.
    (ie, we have all the top juniors from the North of our state in squads with us)

    We have 2 boys currently playing college tennis in the States, Rory de Boer at MSU in Texas and Jamie Dash at South Dakota
    (both Matthew's pupils, grrr!)
     
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  49. pvaudio

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    This is just tennis, not pyrotechnic chemistry. That amount of weight makes zero difference.
     
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    Wow....

    You should consider yourself lucky to be afforded the opportunity to actually make some kind of living off your passion (not many do)....

    I would love to see some video of this centre and some of the drills/exercises you guys do.

    I know of one 6.0 'open' level player (who actually gave me lessons awhile back), he is also a good friend of the family... played collegiate level tennis and was ranked nationally at one point in time.... He(44) puts a spanking on me every time we play... literally destroys me(31)...

    He plays with an RDS002Tour (w/ lead at 3&9)... so hey... go figure... he mods.

    At that level, the weight, balance,swingweight...blah...blah... has nothing to do with it... he could probably beat me with a frying pan.... but it would be a lot closer. :smile:

    EDIT: Guarantee... those pupils who made it to the states will be polluted by us americans and start modifying their frames. ;)
     
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