So, this is apparently is, Safin's last year is upon us.

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  1. Kobble

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    I feel pretty sad if he is really serious. If he is, the least he could do is thump Federer for the last time. However, I can't say I blame Safin. Results aside, the world seems to suck right now (economically, ecologically, and even the general attitude). I was at Miami the last two years and it felt like ****. Very little heart, soul and class left to enjoy, so it seems. I don't think I would want to be out playing in an environment like that; that isn't what kids dream of. Marat seems to feel he needs a change. The change is probably necessary due to the unsatisfactory feeling you get from participating in many traditional activities anymore. Top it off with how fast you are forgotten despite achievements of a lifetime (Sampras), and it can take the wind you. I wish Safin the best, no matter what. I only have two signatures of tennis players, and Safin is one, Kuerten is the other. I believe he is a genuine person, a supreme talent, and will be a legend people talk about for many more years.
     
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    when Fed meets Safin, we will find how large the gap is between them.

    Safin is no longer the Safin who won the AO.
     
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  3. Aldi Patron

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    Yes, but was the Safin who won the AO the Safin who won the USO? Wrap your head around that.
     
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    Like him or not, tennis will never be the same without him.
     
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    the safin who won the ao is a lot better than the safin who won the uso.
     
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    Safin's in and out prime as a tennis player was 2000-2005. So yes I would say pretty much. The two best matches he ever played in his career by far were the 2000 U.S Open final and 2005 Australian Open semis. There isnt a world of difference between a players best match ever or their second best match ever, and if you are insistent there is it is basically the same as admiting the former was a total fluke for there to be that big a gap to your 2nd best match ever.
     
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    It will be a sad day when he is gone. He is one of my most favorite players to watch. You never know what he is going to do. Supreme talent, big hitter, the whole thing. One day he looks like a tennis god the next he hits it sideways. Fun to watch..... He is no robot like many others out there.
     
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    He has not officially announced any retirment plans. It's credible that he has managed to get his ranking back inside the top 30. Things looked bleak when he was out of the top 100 due to the knee injury.

    Safin is still one of the few effortless ball strikers in the game. He has done well compared to the generation of players during his era (Haas, Moya, Ferrero and Hewitt), who are all struggling currently.
     
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    I hope he stays for another 5 years. I will miss him if he really decides to retire after this year.
     
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    With his head on straight, yes, he's an amazing ball striker. If he retires, I'll miss his great racquet demolitions---2 smacks to the ground and it's gone. Just hope he's got a good money manager for his future, unlike other athletes who have gone broke later on.
     
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    Good... Im glad..

    Im sick of a seeing a player with all the talent in the world gone to waste, playing tennis on my tv screen. Makes me wish a young hungry up and comer had that talent
     
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    Tennis will miss Safin.
     
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    It's a shame he didn't commit more to his sport, he could have had a much better career. He seems to lack ambition. When Fowler asked him yesterday if he thought he could beat Federer, he replied "it's impossible!", not a very confident approach to his game if you ask me...
     
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    Then why play Safin.. Just forfeit. Who wants to see u go out there and watch u half ass it. And its impossible? What happened at this very tournament 5 years ago..

    Safin has serious mental issues. I would prefer an alternate play Federer. Not that idiot
     
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    Safin just looked like he didn't believe in it and he couldn't care less anyway. That's depressing, why even show up with such a defeatist mentality? You can only hope he's bluffing but I have my doubts about that...
     
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    The only thing I meant by my reply was that Safin is so wildly incosistent (or consistent at being inconsistent) that other than 2000, he never really had a prime, and so it's pointless to say he's no longer the Safin who won the AO.

    It'd be a tough stretch to call the 2000s US Open win a fluke because of his results that year.
     
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    The same idiot that disemboweled Sampras in front of the New York crowd? Safin is Safin. He will talk like that and play the way he does. He might look like a tortured soul on court but I feel like after all is said and done, he gets to walk away saying he did it his way. Tennis and life.
     
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    One of the guys I'll miss the most.

    For those eager to bash the guy that gave all of us, not just his fans, some of the best tennis moments ever, here's what he had to say on the coming match: http://www.australianopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2009-01-21/200901211232511761484.html
    You expected more from him, failed to live to your expectations, beat some guys when you didn't want him after that, what impudence, let's burn him at a stake for all of it and pretend the tour would have been better without him :roll:
     
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    And we saw how Safin defended his USO championship in 2001 didnt we? Oops thats right Sampras destroyed him in straight sets. No one seems to remember that nor want to admit it. They only bring up the 00 match. How about Safin defending his titles at the USO and AO?



    What is the point of even watching a Safin-Fed match where Safin is virtually saying its impossible? Since its NOT considering Fed has been beaten by a quite a few players this past year has lost some slams and ONCE by Safin. Fed isnt as dominant as he was in 05. He doesnt have the mental edge over player now than he did when Safin beat him, yet the guy still says its IMPOSSIBLE. Way to put fans interest in the match Safin. Good job.

    What is this guy even playing pro tennis for if he isnt even focused on winning? He should be ashamed the way he has conducted himself over the years. What a sorry excuse of a "champion" he is
     
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    You're taking that 00 beating way to much to your heart
     
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    Nobody ever said that he is consistent. With in fact he is unpredictable. Some people will call him not ambitious. Fair enough. What's the point of watching Safin? Because he is entertaining and you will never know how he plays. He has shown that he can impose his game to the top players. I don't think anybody expected him to beat Djokovic at Wimbledon last year for example. True, it can get frustrating for Safin fans to follow him but I have learned to accept his results, win or lose. Safin's humor tends to learn towards self deprecation. But go ahead, take it to heart.
     
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    I think Safin was, RE Federer, just being realistic with his chances. I've always felt that the best Safin was one who didn't have expectations or burdens, one who didn't have obligations, one who simply played for the joy of playing tennis, of trying to produce your best tennis, against the best in the world, for the crowds. It's not about money, it's not about trophies, it's not about ranking points. That's how Safin views tennis.
     
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    Safin's retirement date will depend a lot more on the stock market than anything tennis related.
     
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    Safin is a far better "champion" than some players. Although he never fully dedicated himself to the game, he produced some great matches that were instant classics. Also, he was well liked among the players and fans, and was known to be very social and a fun guy. There is more to being a champion than winning. Safin is a champion among fans. That's better than we can say for guys like Hewitt, who was hated among fans for most of his career.


    Safin has made it this far because he didn't expend about 10 years of his life to become the GOAT in tennis, something Sampras did. Unlike Sampras, Safin actually knows how to have fun. Although tennis may be a big deal to you, I think Safin has the right idea. What's the point in becoming an amazing player? Sure, it's nice to become one. But what are you sacrificing? Opportunities in life you will never have back. I'm sure Safin is more than content with his career.



    Also, your lack of intelligence and educate is really starting to get on my nerves. You are insulting a Grand Slam champion, one of the better players in the modern era of tennis. Yes he could have done better, but he has to answer to no one but himself. Stop throwing around your pitiful insults because your poor Sampras is retired.
     
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    Youre right... Whats the point of playing pro tennis and being the best player you could possibly be and trying to become one of the greatest to ever play the game and have your name etched in stone with some of the all time greats like Borg, Laver, Rosewall, Sampras, Fed etc. Lets just play BELOW OUR POTENTIAL, be extremely inconsistent, let your nightlife carry over into your day time life, chase women, put focus on things other than your profession. What could I be thinking..

    All things considered, that why Safin is considered one of the biggest underachievers in history, and for all that talent, it could have been given to someone with heart, determination, focus, and GIVING A DAMN, and they could have been among the greatest but just lacked that talent. Thats why Safin is Safin and the greats are the greats whos names with stand the test of time while Safin's name falls into obscurity unless its mentioning some of the biggest underachievers to ever play the game. Watching Safin play tennis over the years is like getting your teeth pulled because u knew what he was capable of if he gave a damn

    Lack of intelligence huh?? How about calling a spade a spade
     
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    ^^ That's also why guys like Safin are far less likely to attract f*ckwits for fans, not that it's any of Pete's fault
     
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    Effortless to him maybe, lol, but for us "normal" players, it takes a quite a bit of effort (especially the core area)...

    I really hope he doesn't retire, if I had seen him when he was in his "prime," I woulda had a two-handed backhand, but instead I saw Dent and Henman. :-?
     
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    There's more to life than tennis, and obviously Safin believes there are things in life that are far more important than tennis. Something you can't seem to get through that thick skull of yours. Yes, it would be awesome if Safin was hardworking. He probably would have won at the very minimum 5-6 slams if not more.



    But to say that he is an idiot for not trying, when he chose to take another path in life is utterly ridiculous. Yes, being a great player is awesome. But how much of your life do you lose to become one? Do you think Sampras sometimes regrets giving up all those years of his life? The amount of energy he put out was PHENOMENAL. Some people believe it's not worth it, as when it comes down to it..........





    TENNIS IS A GAME




    That is something Marat Safin realized probably early on in his career. That is something YOU don't seem to realize.
     
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    Safin's charisma, ability, unpredictability and colourful lifestyle will be sorely missed on the tour, given the on-marching generation of exceptionally well-drilled tennis robots who are going to take his place.
     
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    Alright tennis is just a game.. Wish I could make that type of money playing Board games and make that my profession.. Anyways......

    Its a PROFESSION as well as a BUSINESS.

    As for Sampras... No he doesnt regret anything when it comes to his success as mentioned in his interview prior to the 08 USO with charlie rose. He said if he did put focus on other things (such as Safin) he would have never been mentioned among the GOAT so it was worth the sacrifice.

    I just DESPISE players not to playing to their potential regardless of any sport especially someone with a talent of a Nalbandian or Safin. Thats unfair to the hardworking, young kid giving it all he has that maybe lacks that talent. Its a slap in the face to your profession and your fans IMO. If youre going to be a professional player of any sport, be the best you can be and play to your maximum potential and carry yourself with a degree of respectibiliy. If not GET OFF MY TV!!
     
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    Tennis is a game for you and me but for the guys on tour, it's a profession, a career. That's how they make their living.
     
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    And they need to devote their entire lives to it because of it and live up to the expectations of some armchair critic not to be pooped on, give me a break. Funnily enough, people who are not his fans are obviously taking it more to heart than those who've been supporting him throughout the years. Go figure.
     
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    They need to be professional (I guess that's fair to say?), if they don't, then both the public and the player himself lose from it. Safin is a very charismatic player, what he did was excellent, it just would have been even better if he could have done it more consistently.
     
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    Yes, it's a profession and a career. Safin made plenty of money doing it. He beat some of the best players in the history of our sport, won 2 slams, and still had fun while doing it. I don't think he could have asked for a better career.
     
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    I'm gonna miss Safin. He's one of my favorite players. Right up there with Federer. I always had someone to root for that no one would expect to win.
     
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    You don't think he could have won a couple more slams?
     
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    I have no problem with a player giving it all he has and just not being able to maintain that consistency throughout his year. I have no problem with someone like Roddick having only one slam to his name really. At least he gives it his all every time he goes on the court regardless of the lack of all around talent he has compared to others.

    My problem is the NOT CARING. Thats the biggest problem I have with Safin.. Not caring
     
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    Again, no one has to live up to your expectations, only to their own. Safin did what he has done, and obviously he's very content with it, as many of his true fans are.


    Yes, tennis is a profession. Then why treat it so seriously? Safin does it to make money, not so that he can become a legend. There are things in life that Safin has deemed more important than tennis. I believe there are plenty of things more important than tennis actually. Living a good life is one of them.


    How do you know Safin was not forced into tennis at an early age? He shows all classic signs of someone who was forced into playing tennis, rather than choosing to become a tennis professional. Maybe he didn't want to do it, but he felt the pressure from his parents and other outside factors.




    Anyways, point being, Safin has had a far better career than the majority of professional players. He has enjoyed it, as have his fans. To say that he insulted anyone is absolutely ridiculous, especially coming from someone like you.
     
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    He himself probably would have liked to won more slams, but I don't think he's going to ask for anymore. Obviously he's content with his career, otherwise he wouldn't be retiring.
     
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    Again, he doesn't have to live up to your expectations, only his own. He's met his expectations, and probably exceeded them. No one gives a damn about what you think, especially not Safin.
     
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    You have to remember with Safin's retirement, you lose one of the coolest guys that ever played tennis. How many other players do you see that are built like a tank, are hilarious, and have a full flock of women chasing him every tournament?
     
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    So I was right before. It's a lack of ambition. With more ambition, he could (probably) have won more.
     
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    If he didn't care, why does he break so many racquets?
     
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    and chairs! Ha ha that's true, I guess the not caring part is a pose then.
     
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    People play pro tennis for different reasons. Some want to become legends. Some want to make money. Some (a very few, but still exist) play to have fun. Everyone has a different reason for playing professional tennis. Safin's goal was obviously not to become a legend (even though he sorta did). He wanted to have fun, while making a good amount of money. He has enough to retire for the rest of his life.


    I don't think anyone out there can say what Safin did is wrong. He did something fun and made plenty of money out of it. He lived a fun life style. Could he have done more? Possibly. Could Safin have asked for more? No.
     
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    Then quit and go do something that makes you happy and that you love and enjoy doing?? Whats wrong with that? Hes a grown man, he can go to do something enjoys and make money while hes at it. Why do u have to live up to someone else's expectation set forth by a family member, guardian etc especially when you are an adult. If youre just doing it for the money, chances are u will not put the necessary effort into acceling at something being the best u can be. If the only reason you are doing something is for money, thats not always the best route and not the one where u will find the most happiness either. If he wants to play tennis for fun.. FINE.. Go do it at the local country club in Moscow
     
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    Man you're stupid. Realistically, if Safin was forced into tennis at an early age, that means he had no real solid education. The only thing Safin knows how to do extremely well is tennis. That's the only thing he can make money in. He never attended a real high school let alone a university.


    He has made enough money to do what he wants to do in life. He's obviously happy with his career. You obviously aren't happy with your life, since you have to live through the achievements of another person in order to obtain your happiness.
     
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    No.. He knows how to party really hard and chasing women very well not playing winning tennis extremely well
     
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    Btw... You are reported for a "personal attack" against another poster pal
     
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    he is quitting to go do something that makes him happy. he's not even 29 yet. a lot of people haven't found what they want to do in life until around that age. difference is he's got millions in the bank to go with it.
     
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