so wats the bottom line on Nadals string

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  1. jorel

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    Is he really using the RPM?
     
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  2. Donny0627

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    No, it isa black version of his old string, which is said to be PHT. Although everyone knows tht he never used PHT, it was just duralast in yellow to look like PHT.

    So basically, he is using Black Duralast...
     
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  3. VGP

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    I thought there were two bottom lines on Nadal's string.....
     
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    this made me laugh.
     
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    Not Duralast, but it is Black PHT. Now, keep in mind that the addition of the black die has changed somewhat the characteristics of the yellow PHT string. Nadal probably gets more spin now mostly from the shaped string vs. the round string he was using before.

    This is not a new phenomenon, many people have felt and commented that the same string in different color plays seems to play differently. This happens even in multis, X1 red vs. natural play differently for example. Others feel a difference between AluPower in Blue vs. the Silver.

    Brilliant marketing from Babolat with the "RPM Blast" name and pretending it is some super new and special stuff.
     
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    I've played with duralast. It sounds and looks like rpm blast, softer, duller thud than duralast. Schiavone has followed Nadal with duralast/pht/rpm blast.
     
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  7. Donny0627

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    No, he never used PHT, he used yellow duralast to make it look like PHT, so now he is using black uralast...

    As for the product we are sold, i tend to believe that it is a new string, and not black pht...
     
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    save your money - msv focus hex plays just as well generating equivalent spin at <40% of the cost
     
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    A stringer that strung his racquet posted on this board that the string he was using at that particular tournament had indeed an octagonal profile, so it is not Duralast black. It could be PHT dyed black but then why he did not change to the regular PHT yellow long time ago? Based on this I think it is a totally new string, it may not be what is commercially sold, but I think it is not Duralast nor PHT.
     
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    I agree.

    I saw close up pics of his frame and strings against Lopez at Queens and his strings are definitely twisted in shape.

    So Duralast is out.

    Maybe black dyed PHT or he IS really playing with RPM Blast or RPM Blast = Black dyed PHT ;)
     
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    although he most likely was not using pht in the past, i see no reason to doubt he IS using rpm blast hex/twisted. :twisted:
     
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    +1 on MSV Focus Hex, off topic I know, but best string that I've ever used and very nice price!
     
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    He has indeed switched from his old Duralast. From there it gets foggier, since there are several makeups of the "black string" that the pros are using. Babolat made several versions/prototypes available to their players while they were testing what would eventually become RPM Blast. Unfortunately, different players liked different ones, and so there are a few different versions out there on tour. I'm not sure which one Nadal is playing with, and I'm not sure how many they'll keep producing, but for now those using RPM Blast may be using one of several strings, not all of which went to full production.
     
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    its pht. In one picture you can see that it says pro hurricane tour on it.
     
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  15. LPShanet

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    That means nothing. His old Duralast used to say Pro Hurricane Tour Nadal on it.
     
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    agreed! I spend 4 days at FO this year, a friend of mine know a few of the stringers and they confirmed that its not duralast, but a shaped poly. the problem is that you cant really tell the difference from PHT and RPM.. he also went from 15g to 16g.
     
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    I bet he's still using duralast

    I wonder though, doesn't painting a string change its playing characteristics?
     
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    He used TOUR Duralast which is yellow anyway. Therefore Babolat made PHT yellow to look like Nadals string (tour duralast) not the other way around.
     
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    OP: so wats the bottom line on Nadals string

    This is an enigma, wrapped inside a riddle; we probably will never know. Only if Uncle Toni goes broke and the family disowns him. He'll go on the Spanish version of TMZ and say "Rafa.... had a weird fixation with farm animals... and he was playing Luxillon his whole career!" :)

    I think he's playing RPM. Enough commentators have said it. I'm sure they're buddies with the stringers and get the inside scoop.
     
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    They wouldn't paint it after the fact. They would put black dye in with the ingredients...
     
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    From a pic of Nadal's racquet i have one of the strings printed with 'PHT'. I'm not certain he's using PHT but what i think we can say is that he's using either RMP Blast or PHT.
     
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  22. ihearit1st

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    He's using RPM Blast 15L.

    [​IMG]
     
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    That is correct. But that dye also has an effect on playing characteristics.
     
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    The question is which version of RPM, as there are a number of them, one of which is basically PHT black. Not that it matters, as only one version is available to the public.
     
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    The commentators are actually often unaware, and don't spend lots of time hanging out with stringers. They also don't really care that much about gear in some cases. Also, sometimes they are willfully misleading, and a number still have ties to equipment manufacturers. As such, their comments are not always to be taken at face value.

    That said, he appears to be playing some version of RPM, as the string is different from PHT and definitely not his old Duralast. Still, since Babolat made multiple versions of RPM while developing it, we don't know yet WHICH version of RPM he's using. Obviously, only one of those versions ever made it to market.
     
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    He isn't. That's been established already. The string he's using is a shaped string, and Duralast is not. And as already stated, they don't paint strings to change their color, they impregnate them with the dye (which also changes their playing characteristics). Whatever he's using, he definitely switched strings.
     
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    i highly doubt it, why dont they make the 15l RPM for the public??

    did it occour to any of you that babolat can print any sticker they want AND color the string however they want?

    for all we know it could be Duralst colored black.

    why doesnt someone get a sample of it? or after they cut it out get a peice and view the cross section

    untill they you'll never know
     
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    I would actually strongly disagree with this. I think MSV focus hex is not anywhere near as good a string as RPM. I actually even prefer BC and Cyclone to MSV. Sorry for me it's not a very good string.
     
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  29. ihearit1st

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    I've had a sample of it. I've strung his frames. Its RPM Blast. Same as Sam Stosur. Same as Tsonga was using. End of story. There's no reason to put it under a microscope. Its RPM Blast.
     
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    It is NOT Duralast colored black. Not because it can't be done, but because we know it isn't. The string he is using is "shaped", and Duralast isn't. Duralast simply doesn't come in an octagonal configuration, and Nadal's current string is. It's already been done by two different stringers on these boards.

    Also, if you scroll up, you'll see several posts that address the fact that Babolat created several different black prototypes for their players during the testing process for RPM. Different players preferred different versions, and are still playing with them. So there are several black Babolat strings out there under the moniker of RPM, even though only one made it to final production for retail. So there is no good way to know which version of RPM Rafa is using or whether it's the retail one.
     
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    Well, For all we know it could be a homemade string just for him.
     
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    If it were Joe Bobo I would agree with you. But JMac has said it a number of times. John is into it. And I don't think anyone would BS John. But we can agree to disagree. And we can also disagree about the dye. I doubt any of the strings are the color they are naturally - so they all have a dye - and the companies all have to test and take that into account.
     
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    The point isn't whether JM would be given incorrect info, it's that no one other than Babolat and Rafa would be able to know WHICH VERSION of RPM Blast he is using and whether it was the retail or one of the prototypes.

    As for the point about color, I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the dye. What is it that we're agreeing to disagree on with respect to dye?
     
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    I saw close up pictures on my 50" plasma of Nadals strings in several matches - and the old Duralast he used to use was smooth in shape and the new RPM Blast Proto is shaped/twisted in shape - so it's definitely NOT the same string, dye or not !
     
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