Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by f1 tech, Apr 14, 2008.
He's 15 and won a match today at the clay court tournament. Is he our next hope?
Thread here on him.
He trained at the John Newcombe tennis ranch in New Braunfels, Texas. Great academy, my brothers and I have all played there.
His younger brother is nearly as good as he is, I think 13 years old.
i yhink his brother is top 5 in the nation
He becomes the only 10th player to win an ATP match in the Open era before his 16th birthday. I wouldn't read too much into this result. He beat Pablo Cuevas, not Nadal.
were you expecting him to beat Nadal? Cuevas is top 100...it is quite an achievement for a 15 year old...and given that only 10 players have been able to do this in nearly 30 years as you mentioned.
I would read a ton into this result. Cuevas is #95 in the world. It's a huge win and a tremendous accomplishment.
As for Harrison, he's not very big but he plays pretty darned aggressively. He's fast and he attacks - you'll see him at net much more than most juniors - especially 15 year olds. He's pretty relentless.
His Dad posts once in awhile on the Zoo tennis blog: http://tenniskalamazoo.blogspot.com/
I would say he's the real deal....
He's listed as 6'0", 160. Thats good size for tennis, and he probably hasn't stopped growing. In the picture thread the guy who took the pics said he has a huge serve and a huge forehand. Not many small guys have those.
Harrison has a tremendous upside. His win over a top 100 player at 15 is a remarkable accomplishment. He has years to develop his game, and it would be great if the U.S. could have a new top player, not just top 20, but top 5.
But, he's 15, all of this has to play out. Every year there are remarkable young juniors who are destined to be the next big thing. Some actually do it, most don't.
So, this is a fantastic start, but I'm waiting a long time before getting too excited. I truly hope he is one of the young phenoms who pan out.
Then he's grown since I last saw him. He's at that age when kids do that. When I saw him it was about 18 months ago and he was 5'9" at best. I wouldn't have called his serve or forehand huge, either - again several months ago. I remember a consistent player who hit very deep and pretty accurate and attacked constantly. I remember him using other players pace to generate his biggest shots but I don't remember his FH being that particulary intimidating from a power perspective. He hit much deeper than most kids his age.
He also used to serve-volley a ton and he did it off a slightly slower spin serve. Perhaps I never saw the "huge serve".
yeah, ryan harrison was very impressive. i watched his qualifying rounds. here are some pics. he has a huge serve, huge groundies, just overpowered his opponents so far. i am looking forward if he plays blake in the 2nd round.
those are some pics i posted on the 12th. I said watch out and i was right, :^), so far...
also my friend who is a 5.0 player said he saw Robin Soderling play when he was 15 and he was not near as good as this kid.
Lol the scoreboard for the qually match between Harrison-King looks like a chalkboard written by a 1st grader.
Leelord how does the kid move for his size?
he is barely 6 ft tall if that. saw him today.. 6ft max, probably more like 5'10" and 160 is stretching it. i would almost say 140 as he is really wirely
wins a match, automatically picked to be America's next big talent.
he moves very well...probably not great but good. Not nearly as good as nadal, he likes to slide into his shots w/defensive slices at times.
also..he is not afraid to serve and volley which is fun to watch
btw. He's HUGE off the ground. Had NOTICABLY more pace of shot than his opponents. And his backhand is very powerful. He also finished his match off the 2nd round of qualifying w/an ace.
is phillip king related to vania king?
yes - brother and sister.
I don't know why Phillip still keeps trying as a pro player. He just doesn't have the weapons to really crack into the top eschelon of the game. He was pretty decent at Duke but he's not even doing much damage at the Challenger level lately.
Nice guy though. I used to see him practice when I lived in Long Beach.
is King Asian? noone's mentioned anything but he looks asian from the photos.
Yeah, the family's Asian. They're Taiwanese, I believe Philip was born there. The sisters might have been born here in the US.
Far more than "wins a match" if you do a little research. He's not yet 16 and one of the top juniors in the world - currently ranked #8. He currently is the highest ranked US junior in the world.
He won a major junior tournament last year (the Osaka Mayor's cup), made it to the semi-finals of the Aussie Jr. Open, etc.
He is listed as 6'0'' on the ATP site, if this is correct he could end up being around 6'4''. I never seen him play so I can't comment on anything, but a wonderful achievement for the guy obviously.
...we are desparate... :cry:
I read the headlines yesterday and opened the link to the artcile which had a photo of what I thought would be the young guy that won. Didn't read the caption immediately: and I thought, "wow! he looks old for his age and is rather hairy!"
But then read the caption through a second time and realized it was a pic of Pablo, who lost to him, instead of the kid.
In any case regarding his skills...it was a remarkable win, but debates about his game and are a bit premature I think, as he is way on the underside of being mature as a person physically, let alone a tennis player. Next hope from USA? Again, that's still qualifying round level so to speak LOL
wow so he won an ATP main draw match today in houston. ive been on the court and trained with that guy before..... its a small world
I hope so. We need more up and coming American Tennis players to be successful so hopefully he can find more success and maybe make it into the top 50 in the world as he matures and gets older.
The kid is 15 years old. If he would be Nadal, the first page of this forum would be filled with Ryan Harrison threads.
Exactly. Let's just take it easy here. The kid has obviously bloomed early and shows great potential but all he has done is win one match.
true but look at all the hype Donald Young has been getting since he was 14 or 15 and he lost how many ATP matches before winning one???????
You made my point.
who are the other 9? I know of Nadal, Gasquet, Davin, Chang, Wilander, Borg, that leaves 3 others.
Well most of the pros do not turn pro before the age of 16 or 17. Some of them even latter. I know for a fact that Federer who is born in 1981 turned pro in 1998 when he was 17. Djokovic played first ATP tourneys in 2004 making him just around 17 at the time. Becker won a slam while he was 17 but turned pro just a year before. It puzzles me too so if anyone can contribute it would be apreciated.
the 10 were:
Franco Davin (Arg) (15 years, 1 month) - Buenos Aires 1985, Hans Gildemeister 4-6, 6-3, 6-4
Tommy Ho (USA) (15 years, 2 months) - Rye Brook 1988, Matt Anger 6-4, 3-6, 6-4
Jimmy Arias (USA) (15 years, 6 months) - Palm Harbor 1980, Warren Maher 7-6, 6-1
Michael Chang (USA) (15 years, 6 months) - US Open 1987, Paul McNamee 6-3, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4
Andre Agassi (USA) (15 years, 9 months) - La Quinta 1986, John Austin 6-4, 6-2
Bjorn Borg (Swe) (15 years, 10 months) - Madrid 1972, Antonio Zugarelli 7-6, 6-3
Mats Wilander (Swe) (15 years, 10 months) - Bastad 1980, Jan Kallquist 6-4 6-4
Richard Gasquet (Fra) (15 years, 10 months) - Monte Carlo 2002, Franco Squillari 7-6, 3-6, 7-5
Rafael Nadal (Esp) (15 years, 10 months) - Mallorca 2002, Ramon Delgado 6-4, 6-4
Ryan Harrison (USA) (15 years, 11 months) - Houston 2008, Pablo Cuevas 6-4, 6-3
so Franco Davin holds the record for youngest to win a tour match. Who would've guessed? I remember him making the QF at the French one year.
That's quite a venue to get your 1st tour win at!
lost in doubles:
[WC] H Armando (USA) / W Odesnik (USA) d [WC] R Harrison (USA) / K Nishikori (JPN) 64 76(5)
I saw him this past weekend as well. Some observations:
-6'0", 160 lbs. is definitely accurate
-Very mature game: aggressive but smart in shot selection and strategy
-Hyper-competitive and expects to win every point...but...very poised and not overly excitable (seems emotionally and mentally prepared for the pro game)
-Great pace and placement on first serve, but prone to wild misses (long by 10+ feet at times)
-Groundstrokes and volleys rock solid
Do you guys think Ryan is better than Donald Young at 15? I remember DY was the bomb at 16. I hope Ryan keeps going up. U.S. needs some fresh young faces. I'm not sure Isner is going to do anything.
Better in terms of having enough power to be able to hit with pros. I don't know if he is as good all around as DY was at that age (based off their relative junior rankings). But Young was less mature physically and definitely wasn't serving in the 130's.
Wait, are you saying Ryan is serving 130's???:shock:
I have to comment on this one and thanks Sha..
You American guys should really think twice before posting here. Officialy you got this info from a guy from Serbia. First of all the thing is that obviously the kid is very talented to have won a first match before the 16th birthday and yes at this point you are allowed to think he is the next big thing because among the other guys who did it are legends such as Borg, Agassi, Cheng, Willander and a few superstars of todays tennis like Gasquet and more notable Nadal.As for Donald Young, the guy is like very young and you should all wait an see what he develops to be and if he can produce for the USA tennis.
You are way to spoiled by the succes of all the champions you had in 80's and 90's. Way to spoiled. There are 6billion people around the world so take note of this and tennis is just more and more popular in other parts of the world. To be as succesfull as before is great for you guys and Roddick is as unapreciated as possible amongsh fellow countryman. If he was Serb he would be a hero. Take it from me. Same goes for Blake ( with his phenomenal life story ) and many others incl the kids we are talking about.
And this - Kei playing doubles with Ryan is a good sign. Shows that Japanese kid has respect for Ryans tennis and yet there are 3 years between them, important difference in that period of their life.
As you can see, we're looking for someone to take down Djokovic for the next decade.
That is hardly going to happen.
For real now, he is almost 21 and very much climbing to the top. What is most amasing to me is his personality, you can almost say he suffers form overconfidence. Such guys are born only once in a while and if you have that, sky is the limit. Hate him or like him, you got to admit this much.
I would very much read into his win over Cuevas. If you remember Nadal won his 1st match as a 15 year old against Roman Delgado in a tournament in Mallorca which is now the Valencia tournament. To win a tour level match at 15, means this kid has some serious talent. He will be top 50 no problem and should be even higher. Look at Donald Young and how much he struggled to get his 1st tour win. For Ryan to get a win this young, its a great sign for him to follow in the foot steps of Nadal and Gasquet.
here are some pics of ryan harrison and his dad practicing i took today. his dad might look out of shape but this guy can play w/the best of them from the looks of it during practice
just a lil tight today for a 15 yr old
Already in the habbit of racquet abuse. It's not the racquet, it's the player.
i saw him throw his racket in practice...he is definitely a racket thrower
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