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Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Love_10is, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. CFreeborn

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    Look for "mixers" at your rated level. It's a great way to play and meet people.
     
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  2. goober

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    I have never seen mixers that have ratings requirements. They all tend to be lower level with about 30-50% 3.0 level players, 30-40% 3.5 and 10-20% 4.0 and a rare 4.5 showing up occasionally.
     
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  3. NLBwell

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    That attitude sounds awfully pretentious to me.
     
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  4. Rjtennis

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    Join a league if you can. From there you can meet people to play practice matches as well. It's tough finding people in the beginning, but after a while you will have a ton of people to hit with.
     
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  5. Love_10is

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    Thanks rj. It has started to happen I am playing once a week with a great player, and I am meeting more people all the time. That experience was a sober blow but, I think they just wanted to play together. To be honest I really don't want to play with that group after that. So I did join a league. And it is great fun!
     
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  6. Ronaldo

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    Our local tennis clubs have Play with the Pro sessions nearly everyday or evening to help individuals meet new people. A few are open to the public. Also have singles ladders and a doubles league for specific levels that pros mix in. There are drill sessions on the weekends for those who want to improve. This is a way for those who want to play without a weekly commitment.
     
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  7. Bdarb

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    Tennis is nothing like sport fishing. Fishing you would be competing more against the fish than your buddy.

    It would be more akin to skiing and having to wait up all the time which is annoying (unless she's a babe;) haha). You got a late start, keep with it and keep a positive attitude. Offer to buy the fosters after, you'll get a good log of players wanting to hit and eventually you won't have to haha
     
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  8. Legend of Borg

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    You think I'm pretending not to give compliments just for the sake of it?
     
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  9. Lack

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    Wow, I wish I had that attitude. When I was a beginner, not only I've avoided playing matches, but I've also avoided rallying with people that were better than me because I was afraid that I might bored them. I'm sure you'll become a lot better at tennis than those that underrates you.
     
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  10. tennis tom

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    To get better at tennis you should play 30% with people better then you, 30% with people worse then you and 40% with people the same level as you.
     
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  11. sureshs

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    I think it was not the type of discussion you imagine.

    You know what they say about very tall people.
     
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  12. PhrygianDominant

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    They always move the seat really far back?
     
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  13. ProPlayer

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    to the OP, most players, even upper level players will hit with begginers if they atleast try to keep a stead even paced shot.
    Which most begginers can't do.
    and most lower level players try WAY to hard and are really inconsistent. so that makes it less enjoyable for upper level players.
    so dont try to slap and muscle the ball, and spray and pray.

    focus on hitting a med pace, steady ball, in the middle of the court. If you try to play like rafa and try to hit a "winner" on every shot, I'll walk.
     
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  14. dizzlmcwizzl

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    This is how the world works ... the other folks are there for themselves. They want to have a good time and part of that is competitive matches. They are not there for the purpose of helping you get better.

    I had a similar situation in the place where I play for social matches. 8 years ago no one really enjoyed playing with me because I was not as good as them ( I hit the ball hard, but without any control) In retrospect I do not blame them ... I was an annoying hitting partner. They banded together to form a 4.0 team and did not ask me. I was a weak 3.5 at the time.

    I got lessons, I got better, and I eventually joined a different 4.0 team. Three years ago my team was dominating the league and those same guys played in social matches with me all the time. They wanted me to play with their team but it was to late, because by then I was a 4.5.

    Getting better and being part of the tennis desirables is all on you. Get better and this will not be a problem anymore.
     
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  15. Sox Fan

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    Be patient. I started playing again a few years ago after a very long layoff and didn't know anyone who played tennis where i live now.

    It took a lot longer than i thought to find people to play with at a similar level. If you can find one or two people at a similar level who you can just hit with regularly, that would probably really help build you game.

    Don't be discouraged.
     
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  16. sureshs

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    Yes..........
     
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  17. PhrygianDominant

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    That's always annoying when I am the next one to drive.
     
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  18. JW10S

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    I hear this all the time and don't understand it. Why do lesser players expect better players to play with them so they can improve? Do they never ask themselves what the better is getting out of playing with them? If playing with better players is the way to improve why would a better player bother playing with a lesser player? That makes them snobs? Really?
     
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  19. stapletonj

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    "That's always annoying when I am the next one to drive."

    imagine how annoying it is when the tall person tries to get in the car and cant even get in because the last person pushed the seat WAAAYYYY up.

    Are you listening honey? (to my wife)
     
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  20. swizzy

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    it's tough.. I have been on both sides of this issue.. I am a good player who wants to be beaten by a better player to make it exciting and a challenge. I also coach up and coming players who need work to become good.. playing each way has it's rewards.. but on a selfish level I want to be pushed to play at my highest level.. there is only so many hours or matches in us.. we want it to be the very best it can be. sorry if that seems snobby.. it's not. unless the person is a total jerk about it.
     
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  21. Alex78

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    I get to play once per week, usually for one hour (esp. indoors during winter), and if I'm really lucky, twice. Price is 18 EUR for 60 minutes.
    I'll play with my brother-in-law when we both can spare the time. He's no challenge at all - and I'm not very good myself when it comes to match play, I have a fully developed technique but am basically an error machine when playing really good players for all the risks I'm taking -, but it's nice to try some things on serve. And I'll play with a colleague from work, same thing here.
    But apart from that, I'd not play with someone I don't know and who's clearly below my level just for the sake of playing.
    If you want to get better, take some lessons and play with others on your level first.
    After all, you'll both have the most fun when you're both about the same level.
    Oh, and there's a difference between not playing with someone and being a snob...
     
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  22. that_was_just_out

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    This really is the classic dilemma, isn't it?

    I regularly play with one guy at my club who's beneath me, but all we do is hit. We don't play matches because it's no contest, I always win 6-0, 6-1, etc. Plus, he just gets so tight during matches it's terrible, double faults, hits so many shots out, bricks volleys, just tries too hard like the weight of the world is on his shoulders, and there's nothing I can do to help him with that, it's his own issue and he has to work it out for himself. I can't tell him why he gets tight or how to relax, that's totally on him, and I'm not his coach or psychologist, lol.

    Anyway, we hit for an hour or so and I get to groove my strokes, practice some volleys, approach shots, overheads, etc, and then I take those things and the consistency I've gained into ladder matches and tournament matches and feel pretty confident in those and do pretty well. I don't win them all, but they're always pretty close.

    So basically, you can play with people less good then you, just don't do it all the time, obviously, have balance and make sure you get your good competitive matches in with players at or slightly above your level. If someone's worse than you, you have to make sure that you're still getting benefit from giving them your time, otherwise it's totally not worth it. Playing sets is usually a waste of time if the guy just can't play and double faults all the time, but if he can keep a rally going just hitting around, then you can get something from that.

    This might not be an issue for some of you, but I play in a cold winter climate up in Toronto and frankly any chance I get to play while the weather is still good and sunny feels like a blessing no matter who I'm playing with. (okay, within reason, not absolute beginners who can barely get the ball over the net and grannies, lol) Once the winter comes, I'll be like damn, I wish I could play tennis, doesn't matter with who.
     
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  23. newpball

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    Do you like to play with people who are stronger than you?
     
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  24. CurrenFan

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    In a different racquet sport, I always try to play one or two games a week with more beginning players and I try to give them pointers on technique and strategy after the game, if they're really new to the sport and are receptive to getting some advice and coaching. Although there have been a few people who were so clueless and resistent to advice from me (or even common sense - the concept of hitting with any amount of pace or to an empty spot on the court is beyond their grasp) that it was a wasted effort, there have been several dozen over the years who were very appreciative and I've become good friends with a number of these former newbies. A bunch of us socialize on league nights and how good of an athlete someone is has little to do with whether they are up for sharing a pitcher and having a good time. Some of the former newbies have even gotten to the point, after a couple of years, where if I'm having a bad night and they are having a really good one, they can occasionally beat me.

    In less competitive or less formal sports leagues that aren't definitively separated into skill level groups, refusal to waste one's time with the newer and less competitive players can get one branded a jerk. Several times I've overheard some newbies talking about the group with whom I usually play (around half of them won't play with beginners ever) as "the snobs" and I've had someone say to me "I didn't think any of you good players ever slummed down to our level." I then put on a surprised look and say "Well, you know that whenever we condescend to play one of these games, you guys have to buy us a beer later that night? You knew that, right?" I do try to avoid playing with the no-longer-newbies who never bother to play smart or hard or try to become more competitive, though - I see little point to playing with someone who seems satisfied with no progress, no effort, and playing dumb year after year.
     
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  25. tennixpl

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    if you can get the ball over the net I'll hit with you. now yes if i have a choice between tow players ill choose the better player.

    playing with less skilled people is good bc they can force you to be more consistent, go into "pusher" mode and make them miss instead of hitting winners. can you diagnose what they are doing wrong by hitting with them, it will help you diagnose your own errors when you make them.

    like all things there is a balance, if i play some pro i will get nothing from the match as he will hand my rear end to me so i would be better off playing some one worse so i can actually work on something and improve. and ppl who can't hit the ball over the net consistently need a wall not an opponent or hitting partner.
     
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  26. TangentZ

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    It's quite simple really.

    Have you ever wanted to play with "better" players?

    If so, what do they get out playing with you?

    Exactly.

    Pay It Forward. Karma. Whatever you want to call "it".
     
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  27. newpball

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    A clear case of do onto others. :)
     
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