Softest Polys?

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  1. luishcorreia

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    Hi.

    What are the most soft polyester strings?

    Using TW database string and filtering for polyester strings, ordering by stifness I get the following results.

    Top 25.

    1 Topspin Cyber Flash 17L 158.3
    2 Polyfibre Poly Hightec 18 166.3
    3 IsoSpeed Pulse 17 170.3
    4 Polyfibre Cobra 17/1.20 172.0
    5 Polyfibre TCS 18 (1.15) 172.6
    6 Polyfibre TCS 17 172.6
    7 Polyfibre Poly Hightec 17 174.3
    8 Polyfibre TCS Rapid 16L/1.25 176.0
    9 Polyfibre Hightec Premium 17 176.0
    10 Polyfibre Viper 17/1.20 176.6
    11 Wilson Enduro Tour 18 178.3
    12 Gosen Sidewinder 17 179.5
    13 Topspin Cyber Flash 17 180.0
    14 Polyfibre Hexablade 17L (1.18) 180.0
    15 Head Sonic Pro 16 181.7
    16 Polyfibre TCS 16L 181.7
    17 Polyfibre Poly Hightec 16L 182.3
    18 Weiss Cannon Silverstring 120 183.5
    19 IsoSpeed Pulse 16 184.0
    20 Head Sonic Pro 17 184.0
    21 Poly Star Turbo 16 (1.30) 184.6
    22 Poly Star Turbo 16L (1.25) 184.6
    23 SuperString Pure Control V8 17 185.7
    24 Wilson Enduro Tour 17 186.3
    25 Gosen Polylon PolyBreak 18 (1.20) 186.9

    Polyfiber seems to dominate the top 25.

    Is TopSpin CyberFlash really that soft?
     
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  2. Bobby Jr

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    One thing about the stiffness is you should relate it to energy return and tension loss. A stiff string with less energy return can be strung looser so may have more spin or last longer etc... I always try to relate strings to something I've already used and liked if I'm looking to try something new. I've found the Weiss Cannon Silverstring to be a good all-round string. Not too stiff, spinny enough and holds its tension better than most polys. However it seems to be sensitive to temperature - it seems to lose tension quicker in hot weather than some other polys I've tried.

    Note: you may as well delete the Wilson Enduro Tour strings. They've not made them ages and the stock has degraded. I had 3 sets break within a couple of minutes of hitting with them and another 2 break on the machine and that was about 9 months ago. They shouldn't even be selling them anymore.

    Ever wonder why they're so cheap? That's why.
     
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  3. luishcorreia

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    Ok. Thanks for the heads up :)
     
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  4. S&V Specialist

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    Cyber Flash IMO plays softer than a lot of multis. It has the spin, durability, and control of a poly and the comfort, pop, ball pocketting, and touch/feel of a multi. It doesn't move much either and has good tension maintenance. Well worth a try I think.
     
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  5. rofl_copter3

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    Dunlop black widow is about the softest poly out on the market, there is also weisscannon turbo twist which is very soft for sure.

    I believe rsi did an article about a year ago about this that you should be able to look up on google...
     
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  6. emilyhex

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    Kirschbaum Pro Line II is the softest one I have used. I haven't used any in the list though.
     
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  7. hoodjem

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    We need some science here.

    from http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2012/01/string_selector_2012.html
    Polyester (Sorted by Stiffness)
    Company String Material Gauge Stiffness (lbs/in.) Tension loss (lbs)
    Head FXP Tour 16 Polyester 1.33 165 14.93
    Babolat Pro Hurricane 18 Polyester 1.21 187 22.29
    Dunlop Black Widow 18 Polyester 1.20 189 22.77
    Dunlop Black Widow 17 Polyester 1.25 190 25.25
    Dunlop Black Widow 16 Polyester 1.30 192 25.03
    Head Sonic Pro 17 Polyester 1.23 199 23.09
    Genesis Heptonic 18 Polyester 1.16 200 22.49
    Pacific Poly Power 18 Polyester 1.09 201 21.17
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 1.10 Polyester 1.09 206 23.68
    Isospeed Pulse 1.20 Polyester 1.23 209 21.78
    Polyfibre Poly Hightec 1.15 Polyester 1.16 211 23.49
    Gamma Zo Tour 16 Polyester 1.32 214 20.73
    Head Sonic Pro 16 Polyester 1.31 214 22.18
    Isospeed Pulse 1.30 Polyester 1.30 214 23.74
    Gosen Polylon Comfort 17 Polyester 1.26 215 19.91
    Gosen Polylon Polyquest 17 Polyester 1.25 215 20.70
    . . .
    Topspin Cyber Flash 1.20 Polyester 1.20 236 17.47
    Topspin Cyber Flash 1.25 Polyester 1.23 240 15.54

    236 is not that soft. Quite a few (as listed) are softer.
     
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  8. Power Player

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    I've used Cyberflash a lot and I have never thought it to be this soft. In fact, polybreak is much softer to me.
     
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  9. SteveI

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    Yuppers...Cyberflash, Tourna Big Hitter Silver, Wilson Endruo Pro, and ALU Power are all about the same.... 220 to 240 stiffness..
     
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  10. mikeler

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    The TW Professor gives out stiffness data based on swing speed. The results are pretty surprising how one string is stiffer than another at a fast swing speed but less stiff at a slower swing speed.
     
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  12. Slitch

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    My thoughts exactly. Silverstring is a great string for people who play singles and doubles. It seems to soften up over time and doesn't become a rocket launcher. Never had any arm issues playing with it.
     
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  13. anubis

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    also the RSI tests @ 62 lbs, which may be way higher than some of us ever use.

    I string my full multis @ 54 lbs and my hybrids @ 48 lbs. So, giving me numbers @ 62 lbs doesn't really tell me much. That's why I like the TW site better, it gives me the option of choosing low and mid tensions to give me a better sense of what I'm really going to feel.
     
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  14. luishcorreia

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    Different source.. different results. I woundt consider FXP Tour a "poly" string...
     
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  15. Sander001

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    I used Cyberflasher 1.20 for a while and take note of the other traits: Power[energy return] is very low and couple that with it being super soft and you can see why it goes dead so fast. Very limited resilience.
    Check out the dwell time; the ball stays on the strings for ages, longer than natural gut I think. This level of control is ridonculous.
    I find that many soft polys with low power go dead kind of fast because by their nature they have low resilience. Some definitely hide it better than others, and it gets better the more powerful the string.

    Some years ago I was playing in a tournament and knew I was going to play this dude who's a pusher/junk baller that I had great trouble in beating. I decided I needed extra control so I strung up one of my racquets with CF 1.20 just for him.
    I ran him ragged all over and off the court with awesome angles and balls that would land perfectly in the corners. Splendid spin and placement I got from those strings.
    I beat him 6-2, 6-0, it was glorious, one of my fondest tennis memories. I never saw him after that, I don't know why, he was a nice guy.
     
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  16. JT_2eighty

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    I agree with everyone, that

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    = yes, in my opinion, TW allows you to sort and filter a lot of additional options, so if you are not stringing your poly at 62, then you'll have better info on TWU.

    Also, it shows us that poly behaves quite differently at varying tensions; just compare the same string at 40, 51 & 62, and also at slow, medium, and fast swings. I think RSI's charts are just 62 lbs and fast swing.

    Someone looking for "Soft" poly, is probably going to string between 40 & 50, or at least they *should* if they want soft, as even the 'so-called' soft polys will be hard on the arm if you tension too high, like at 62+...

    Anyhow, all this said it is also VERY important to note that these TWU & RSI logs should only be looked at as a "guide", something to help you transition from known string A to unknown string B, and not used as a "definitive" source that is going to tell you A is better than B, or whatever.

    My vote for very soft polys based on playtesting and arm-reaction:

    WC Mosquito Bite
    PS Energy 17 and Turbo 16L
    MSV Co-focus (1.27 & 1.18, depending on your string pattern).

    In all cases, string below 52 lbs for max comfort.
     
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  17. ChicagoJack

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    Luis,

    Make sure to take note of the ACTUAL pre test tension, in addition to the intitial starting tension when you are looking at the TWU stiffness digits. Without factoring that in, the data is almost meaningless.

    The stiffness test takes place after 20 good whacks with a test hammer, the impacts are simulation equivalent to twenty 120 mph serves. After those impacts, many of the TopSpin strings have lost 30 lbs or more from the initial 60 lbs... TopSpin CyberFlash 17L is at 27 lbs at the time of testing. So it's no wonder that lots of these polys test as being soft. It's because they are leaders for tension loss as well.

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  18. luishcorreia

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    So in that case, I guess Pro Hurricane 18 would be a good string .Soft but with less tension loss.

    What do you think?
     
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  19. JT_2eighty

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    ^^^ PH 18 is a nice soft string. I should have included it in my top three, it has been so long since I used it that I almost forgot about it.
     
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  20. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Luis,

    Yeah cool, now you are on the right track. Once you start looking at the tension loss digits as well as the stiffness digits, the task of choosing which string to demo becomes both harder and easier at the same time. Easier because there are many strings that you can cross off the shopping list right away. More difficult because now you realize there are trade-offs involved. Just looking at the stiffness Vs tension loss trade-off picture, Gosen Sidewinder slight more attractive to me than Hurricane 18. I have a package of Sidewinder but have not strung it up yet so I cant really comment just yet. FWIW I've been searching for quite a while now, and the most 6 most comfortable poly's I've used, ranked from most comfy first, would be:

    1. Polyfibre Hi Tec 18
    2. WC Mosquito Bite
    3. Yonex Poly Pro Tour
    4. Dunlop Black Widow 18
    5. MSV Co- Focus 17L
    6. Big Hitter Blue Rough 17

    WC Mosquito bite 18 and Yonex Poly Pro Tour make exceptionally good crosses for gut mains.

    Jack
     
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  21. Jocke

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    Jack; have you tried WC Silverstring?
     
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  22. ChicagoJack

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    Hi Jocke,

    Unfortunately not yet, but SilverString is on my list of 20 or so strings I've honed in on as good being good demo candidates. FWIW, the rest of my demo list is on the opening post my thread here. That string has a lot of fans, and imagine I'll get to it eventually.

    If I recall correctly, PV Audio has a pretty good review of WC SS somewhere in here. The guy knows his string, and I find his reviews to be spot on.

    Hope that helps, ;)

    Jack
     
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  23. Power Player

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    Jack, I'd be interested in what you thought about Gosen Polybreak.
     
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  24. PigPen

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    Hi Jack,

    I too am searching for a cross for Wilson gut. I have tried Co-Focus 18 and like the combination of comfort, feel and power until it gets too powerful after several plays. Would it possible to rank your top 6 in terms of power and feel? I was also thinking about Pro Hurricane 18. How does it compare to the top 6?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  25. PigPen

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    I have recently tried Mosquito Bite as a cross with Wilson Gut. More precise feel than co-focus and holds tension better but I am getting significantly less spin. Also tries Black Magic with Wilson gut. Perhaps I strung the BM too tight (48) but I thought there was much less power and felt very stiff to me.

    Now I'm thinking of trying Cyber Blue and Big Hitter Black. Basically I am looking for a cross with at least as much spin as Co-Focus 18, does not eat into the gut, as powerful as Co-Focus before it acts as a rocket launcher, does not bother my sensitive arm, has nice feel on touch shots and has about as much power as Co-Focus.

    Any suggestions?
     
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  26. Double_Bagel

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    I'm not Jack, but I just had my k blade 98 strung with Gosen Polybreak 17 (full bed @ 52) and played with it over the weekend.

    My first time with Polybreak (and Gosen strings for that matter) and I am VERY pleased. Great feel, pocketing and access to power (when YOU want power), good spin for rallies and just as capable to flatten it out with zip for a winner.

    Above all, the placement, feel and control was superb. I'd liken it a little to Cyber Flash but with more pocketing, slightly more control and a tad less outright spin.

    This, CF and WC Silverstring are my 3 current favorite strings at the moment. And for good reason :)
     
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  27. tennisnut123

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    im surprised tecnifibre has none on here
     
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  28. Torres

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    That TW table is really inaccurate.

    Cyberflash the softest poly? That's just hilarious. Silverstring soft? That's just ridiculous.

    Black Widow 17 nowhere to be seen. Even more ridiculous.
     
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  29. Torres

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    I'd say it stiffens like alot of WC strings. SS stars off okay but after 7 hours of hitting, SS feels stiff, dead and tinny.
     
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  30. netguy

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    SS is soft at 52 pounds or less. I keep coming back to SS because it's very arm friendly. I've never had an issue with it either in full bed or hybrid.
     
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  31. Torres

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    SS would never fall withint the 'soft co-poly' category - there are much more comfortable strings out there. SS is a firm string with very little bend or elasticity to it. It's a firm stiffish control string, not a comfort string, and it gets stiffer, deader and tinnier with hitting. I like the initial control and hitting consistency of SS but not much else about it.
     
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  32. Carolina Racquet

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    The softest poly I've ever used has been the Isospeed Baseline Speed string. In my opinion, worth a try if you are considering making the switch from a non-poly setup.

    I prefer to string it frequently and while the string is inexpensive (less than $40 a reel here at TW), you might be paying your stringer a lot of $ unless you have your own machine.
     
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  33. mikeler

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    Solinco Tour Bite Soft is my current soft poly GOAT. Black Magic and Black Widow earn honorable mentions.
     
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  34. finalfantasy7

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    surprised prince beast wasn't on the list, very very soft imo
     
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    Nice. I find polybreak to be rather comfortable for a poly as well.
     
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  36. netguy

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    Not my experience at all. SS is a great soft string that fits my needs for an arm friendly string.
     
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  37. Torres

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    You must have come from old school stiff polys then, because SS would not really be considered to be a soft poly.
     
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  38. netguy

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    Nope, I don't. I started playing in 2009
     
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  39. Torres

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    Then you can't be that familar with that many polys then because SS would not be anywhere close to the softest poly amongst the current crop.

    It's a firmish poly that gets firmer, dead and tinnier with increased hitting.
     
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  40. mr_fro2000

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    actually created a thread about the Babalot pro hurricane 18... strung it hybrid w/ forten sweet crosses... strings went dead in like 4 hrs =/
     
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  41. netguy

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    Torres, you can believe whatever you want about SS, the important thing for me is my arm loves it and I play great with it, cheers!
     
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  42. Torres

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    That's great to hear. My arm loves 1.40mm 4GS at 60lbs and I play great with it but like Silverstring, never in a million years could it be described as anything close to being 'the softest poly'.
     
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    HAHAH...NASTY!
     
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