some colleges im considering

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  1. kctennis1005

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    im a rising senior and going to be playing college tennis. the schools im considering right now are georgetown, boston college, villanova, yale, harvard, and princeton. does anyone have any experience with the coaches from these teams or the players? i have been in contact with the coaches and they all seems like great guys. any other experiences with them or the team or the schools?
     
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  2. duso

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    If Ivy take a look at Cornell. If not, it isn't a D1, but look at Denison in Ohio. Many CEO's have attended Denison. I recall the Wall Street Journal was very high on it as a school that educates many of our business leaders.
     
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  3. kctennis1005

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    already looked at cornell.....too cold for me and too isolated from a big city. i want d1 too bc i wanna go to a school people have heard of. no offense but i have never heard of denison and i dont really think many people have.
     
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    Michael Eisner, former head of ,(CEO) of Disney. Do some research!
     
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  5. kctennis1005

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    im not debating that its a good school im just saying i want to go to a school that is widely known and recognized, not a small liberal arts college in ohio.
     
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  6. chrisplchs

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    I know most of the Ivy coaches and the staff at BC. BC is harder to get in to now since it joined the ACC. Those three Ivies you mentioned probably need to be the same level as BC.
     
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    A couple years ago our state champion went to Harvard. He had a national ranking (top 75 I think) and was also recruited by 4-5 other D1 schools including one Pac 10 school. He is in the starting line up but is like #5 I think.
     
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  8. kctennis1005

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    ya the ivies might be a little bit harder to get onto the team than bc. the bc coach watched me play in the national opens this last weekend and i think i liked me but u can never tell. im 286 in the class of 09 right now so i think i might be able to play at bc but for the ivies it might be a little tougher. i am #1 in my high school class and have a 4.9 gpa so that might help. what do u know about the ivy coaches and bc staffs reputations/training regiments/recruiting/etc.?
     
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    How do you have a 4.9? Does that mean you take all weighted classes? My gpa is 4.3 and I've only gotten 1 B+. (f'in Foods and Nutrition for crying out loud!!! I thought it was a blowoff class, but it wasn't. :shock:) Anyways, I think some of the top colleges look at you schedule rather than your gpa. I think you have a great shot at an Ivy school with your number 1 status.

    I've taken 7 weighted classes so far and next year (SENIOR 09:twisted:) I'll take another 4.
     
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  10. kctennis1005

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    ya ive taken all honors classes and then 4 aps last yr as a junior and then 5 more as a senior. everything else is honors. i had one regular class for pe and health. hopefully with my academics the coaches will help me get in.
     
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    This is reality, unless you are in the top 50, the coaches won't lift a finger for you. They can pick and choose. You compete against the world. Everyone and their brother that applies to an Ivy League school will match in about where you say you are. Location is important, especially if you live in an under represented area. If you are from the Northern Plains area, you'll get in. If you are from New England, Chicago area, or California. Good Luck! Of course you already know that. You aren't interested in Cornell, so scratch Dartmouth, (that is really isolated-I went there). You tell me?
     
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  12. chrisplchs

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    college coaches don't really do much player development but rather just recruit and make sure you are in shape and such. at 286, BC might been even out of your reach for a recruited walk on spot. One of my friends was top 140 and he got almost nothing from D1 so he went D2 with some money thrown in. and some the posters are right: if you aren't top 50, all top programs won't do much for you. one
     
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  13. cncretecwbo

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    what makes you think a liberal arts college is below you?
     
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  14. kctennis1005

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    im not saying that a lac is below me...im just saying that it doesnt fit my personality. i am a big sports fan and small lacs dont have that scene. ive visited some and i dont really like the feel
     
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  15. duso

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    Why then not just go to Ohio State. Improve your game, and take your chances on making the team. They have everything you want.
     
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  16. kctennis1005

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    umm ohio state isnt exactly a highly respected academic institution. if u read before i have a 4.9 gpa and #1 in my class. thats why im looking for a blend of academics and athletics. so ohio state definitely does not have what i want.
     
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  17. dork2tennisstud

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    If you're looking for good academic schools that also have D-1 athletics (and you seem to like the Northeast, based on the schools you listed), check out Bucknell, Lehigh, St. Joe's, Seton Hall, etc. If you're a girl, Syracuse (no men's team).

    They don't get quite the name recognition as the Ivy's or Georgetown, but you don't have to be as insane a player to play there, the academics are very good, and you still get D-1 sports, including some damn good basketball.
     
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  18. kctennis1005

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    ya i checked those out but i also want the name recognition. u dont really hear about those schools.
     
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  19. duso

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    Boy you are one gifted person. All the people in med. school at oSU will be glad to know that they are wasting their academic lives away. It seems tome that you have a a healthy (unhealthy) opinion of yourself. The United States has distinguished itself with grade inflation, and AP scholarship. Try the University of Michigan, an A is 4.00, no recognition of the increased 5.00 scale. Perhaps Northwestern is for you. Too bad that OSU only gets those who try academically. I guess that 62,000 students are doomed to work for people like you.
     
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  20. kctennis1005

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    i wasnt unsulting the med school. the undergrad has a bit of a sports and party reputation rather than academic. its just not the atmosphere im looking for. i didnt mean to insult osu and if i did i apologize sincerely.
     
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    Let me see if I can help you out here. If you haven't been seriously recruited, we can pretty much drop that part of the equation. You probably won't get a return letter from any of the Big 10 schools, academic or non-academic ones. Northwestern isn't bad. Now a lesson in life, the school you attend doesn't matter. It doesn't get you a job or into a professional school. If you have a personality that makes a rat vomit, it won't matter. You'll have your degree from Columbia, and be working for someone from Palomar Junior College. Why? People like that person like that person. GPA isn't that big a deal anylonger. They are manipulated, and inflated. Good luck, but I think you need to see reality in more areas than just tennis.
     
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  22. cncretecwbo

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    you get out of a college what you put into it. that being said schools like UVA have great academics, but unless they are coming to get you for tennis, it would be hard to get on the team.
     
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    a school really is what you make it...if you go to harvard and want to party, i bet there are plenty of parties. if you go to OSU and dont want to party you wont. if you get into a big academic college you'd be the one to think your better than a senior or someoe and say you had a 4.9 GPA and you'll get knocked out. honestly GPA hardly even matters, if you get a high enough ACT/SAT score then you're gonna be well off...(with the exception of a select few)
     
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  24. kctennis1005

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    ya i get what u guys are all saying at. i have high sat/act score too and good extra curriculars so academically wont be too much of a problem.

    duso: u said i wont get looked at by any big 10 schools? the illinois head coach watched my match two weeks ago and was very interested bc i play aggresively and serve and volley.
     
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    Thats great. Go there then. I doubt it meets your standard for academics, so let the Northwestern and Michigan coaches know that you would be available to them. You are one gifted person.
     
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  26. kctennis1005

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    illinois is a great school...my mom went there....but im not really interested in ******* big 10 schools...theyre too big for my taste. i like northwestern but they have a full roster. thanks for your help though
     
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  27. chrisplchs

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    you need to prepare a tennis resume and possible video. i'm guessing you are a rising senior? usually coaches of the top programs are working on rising sophomores and some juniors. you are pretty behind in that if you haven't done so already. there are still places but unless you are a Klahn or Thacher, the top programs won't listen
     
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  28. kctennis1005

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    ive already contatced them all since end of freshman year. no worries. already got the resume and have been sending them updates on my rankings and results and theyre very receptive. working on the video right now.
     
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    good, keep it up. btw.. why did you put 'nova and g'town in your list? those two stick out like sore thumbs
     
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  30. kctennis1005

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    why do those two stick out like sore thumbs? georgetown is a really good school. practically an ivy level academics. villanova is a little lower academically but has a good business school and i really like the sense of community there. the coach there is really nice guy too.
     
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  31. chrisplchs

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    is georgetown in the top 20 even? i thought you were going to a school for name recognition and academic prestige
     
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  32. kctennis1005

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    georgetown is actually more academically prestigious than boston college. and i want to major in international health and its program is top in the nation.
     
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    socal community college.......its perfect for you.
     
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  34. Julieta

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    Sheesh, the kid is being respectful, people need to chill. He just wants to find a school with good academics, name recognition but not too big. Hopefully he can find it.

    I dont have any connections at the schools you've mentioned. I used to have a good Harvard connection but I lost touch with them. I do remember that the player loved Harvard - his dad played there too so it was a family tradition - and the coach is the same. The coach is pretty important too..but more so if you plan to play pros after college. If you want to play college tennis and then go on to graduate school the coach is not as important. I mean you don't want a jerk or anything but it doesn't matter as much if they are the kind of coach that can really help you with your tennis. Good luck and I hope you can find a school.
     
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  35. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    ^ K.C.
    This is tough, and turning down one school or another, one suggestion or another is getting you in a unintended jam....

    Lets just look at facts, based on your rough requirements-
    Maybe 150 scholarships on the table (in tennis) per year- per class at schools that meet your "Ideal" academics- 10,000 prospects. The coaches go 50 and "out" top 50 then reach for foreign players, period.

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    Understand when you are talking scholarship, at best 50%
    For that you work 30 hours a week for the tennis team, not the school- and your coach sure as heck doesn't care how you do academically, at this "high" academic school, PERIOD. He is here to win or lose his job. How are you going to keep up these high academic ideals you want in your schooling at that rate?
    Lets say you pull it off- school and tennis, many posters have said there is no time for anything else, should you be able to conquer these two priorities-
    If you are really stuck to make that high price tag- you will be WORKING for the athletic department with ANY spare hours, so you will be going to football games- but taking tickets, or supervising the off-hours tennis courts and handing out loaner rackets.

    "It takes a lot of green to go to Brown" the late Peter Boyle (RIP)
     
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    anyone can watch. Its a public world. Hs he called you in the last two weeks? That is probably your answer. You are a senior. He's not considering you. How about Rice?
     
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  37. Gus

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    KC, are you hoping for a scholarship or is that secondary to getting into a good school? Is walking on to a team an option if you get admitted into the school that you want? I suggest keeping all options on the table. Scholarships are limited in number and are usually just partial. Pick the school that's best for you and your family (they will be paying for it). If tennis works out then great- if not, then "oh well." At this point you probably realize that you're not going to be a professional tennis player, so the only pro career you should be thinking about is the one you'll major in in college.

    Playing on a college team will certainly enhance the college experience but you don't necessarily need a scholarship to do that. PS- why the allure of the east? Save your parents some coin and go for UCLA or Berkely.
     
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  38. Julieta

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    Those were my two dream schools but I wasn't good enough to play for them. Sniff.
     
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  39. duso

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    KC, I think this is what many of us have tried to tell you. The world of "Big Time" college tennis isn't what you think it is. Obviously some of us have been there. If you aren't in the top six, you really are on the outside. That is the truth. The coaches have a job, and that is to win. Every year they look for one or two players to come in and make an impact. Great players get ground up. We all had dreams, and we all have memories. Your education is most important. I said it once, the school really doesn't matter. Look at Cal-Berkley, UCLA, if $ isn't a problem USC. Enjoy tennis, its a game for a lifetime. But don't get hung up on the name of the school. Its really meaningless!
     
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  40. kctennis1005

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    im not really looking for a scholarship. im actually in the running for an academic scholarship at villanova or boston college. at harvard/princeton/yale i just want to be able to be guaranteed a roster spot....no grants at all. hopefully they will be able to write a letter of recommendation and that will help me through the admissions process. my doubles skills might help for that(i'm 6'5"). does anyone have experience with ivy recruiting?

    as manfred mentioned about the intensity of scholarship tennis i dont really want to play on scholarship. academics is the 1st priority and tennis is secondary but i definitely want to play on the team. my family doesnt really have any financial concerns, but i dont want them to have to pay if possible so an academic at villanova or bc would be nice but going to harvard/yale/princeton would be hard to pass up.
     
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    I have friends on the teams at about half of the Ivies. All of them were phenomenal students to begin with and were top 200 B18s and top 100 G18s. Most of them got in on their own merit as the coaches really don't have much pull unless you're James Blake who helped fulfill a lot of quotas except for one guy who was top 25 B18s who probably could have gotten in on his own merit but wanted to get the process done with early.

    Also if you want to play tennis, make sure that the coach says you have a roster spot. All coaches want their teams to have even numbers as it makes practicing easier.
     
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  42. kctennis1005

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    thanks chris. ya im hoping to get in on my own but getting into ivies is kind of luck of the draw. that coaches recommendation letter really puts the applicant over the top so hopefully i can get that. do u know anything about the ivy coaches?
     
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    You do know that the Ivies do not have Scholarships, right?
     
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  44. kctennis1005

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    ya i dont want a scholarship. just want to get in and be on the roster.
     
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    are you really ready for college tennis? i am a college tennis player myself and i have a friend in columbia playing on the team. its quite stressful. you have to deal with fitness training, traveling, missing classes. Then comes schoolwork. its quite a big responsibility. if you decide not to play at the college level you can always train outside of school and work with your own schedule.

    best of luck!
     
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  46. kctennis1005

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    ya i really want to play college. im pretty good at time management so i dont think schoolwork will be a problem. i love training and i love competing, but i especially love the team atmosphere. theres a great sense of community and i really want to be part of that in college.
     
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    As a college tennis coach...I gotta say you need to do some research. You need to go watch matches for schools of all sizes...even D3. The reason why...you may realize you have work to do still to make a team at any level. I am not saying it to be ugly, but I coach at a D3 and we play D1's every year and beat them badly. It's more about finding a school where you can get a great education and where the team is "like you". When I say that, I mean if you're aggressive then that's the kind of team you need to find. Would you want to play at a D1 where you get no scholarship and play 12 matches a year (losing 11 of them)...while not even traveling out of the state...where the players and coach don't even take it serious? Would you want to play at D3 where you get a nice academic or merit scholarship and play 28 matches a year...while traveling all over (including an 8 day spring break trip)...where all the players were highly ranked and are pushing to win a title? The tough decision is there to make. Are you more interested in your friends "thinking" you play somewhere big...when you may get a t-shirt and string some racquets for the "real players"...or do you really want to be a "difference maker" on a team? Look at rosters on the internet...research the players (jrs rankings)...see where you would probably be. If you haven't got some attention from a big school coach by the end of jr year, then it's all up hill. The other thing most kids or parents don't realize...a "fully funded" D1 men's team has 4.5 scholarships and a women's has 8...in D2 it's 4.5 and 6 respectively. That's not 4.5 new each year! Look at rosters and see how many foreign players are there. It's all about educating yourself and asking yourself how much you truly want to play college tennis. It can be a great experience...don't be a sheep...be a leader and do something amazing!!!
     
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    Oh yes and the biggest point to the scholarship numbers talk...very few schools are fully funded. I'd guess about 60% at the D1 level and less than 50% easily at the D2. Just FYI.
     
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  49. kctennis1005

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    coach carter, where do u coach?
     
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    He is at LeTourneau University in Longview, Texas - between Dallas and Shreveport, La (East Texas)
    Very nice school that my daughter was looking at before she decided she wanted to play collage Lacrosse - his advise is dead on- I played D1 (wayyy back 1979 - 1983) at a top 15 program and trust me the work load at that level was huge - if anything the demands are even more now.

    And to be honest looking at the schools on your list unless they are already looking at you and calling you (July 1 was the day coaches could start calling you once per week at the D1 level). your best shot would be heavy selling on your part and MAYBE a shot to walk on - At this stage coaches are already looking at 2010 on even 2011 grads and they pretty much now which 2009's they want from the US high school and Junior ranks..
    factor in the International students and you should start getting the picture -
    good luck
     
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