some new + better vids of hyogen - please critique

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  1. hyogen

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    Happy New Year!!!!

    I was pretty happy with how i played yesterday and i took a lot of vids yesterday; will keep adding here as I have a chance to upload:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwcsXcSfPmk I just edited and compiled it into one nice video.

    thanks for critiquing - rate me from what you see if you want to. I've been rated 2.5 by BB not too long ago :twisted: i'll take it as a compliment coming from him :D

    My new years resolution will be to lose 40lbs by the end of 2009. :mad:
     
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  2. hyogen

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    This is me after not hitting for 2 weeks, my wrist feels better after rest + physical therapy, my plantar fasciitis is much better after PT treatment and superfeet. I feel more rested, but not any less fat!!! So better footwork helped a lot.

    I'm hitting with my new racquet of choice: Head Radical Tour twin tube (with twaron :D). No lead, just a leather grip to make it a little more head light. It came strung with Natural gut crosses (16g) and Kirschbaum spiky (16g) mains. At first it felt like it had too much power but I got used to it.

    by the way, i've posted this a couple times...but i think the twin tube radical feels incredibly similar to the PT280 except more comfortable/flexible. Doesn't have the same THUMP sound, but it does have a nice THUD sound...lol

    I think I've found my long desired PT630 replacement - but i still haven't tried one yet
     
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  4. fuzz nation

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    I took a gander at the last video in the group you posted - super slo-mo - and on a couple of your forehands you take a big stride to the ball instead of a couple of stutter steps. That can make a couple of problems happen.

    A big step to the ball for a stroke is almost a lunge and it can seriously undermine your balance. Without decent balance for your swing, your kinetic chain - that unraveling from the ground up - can break down and leave you muscling the racquet through the ball with your upper body too much. I actually spotted what looks like an overly active wrist in your second or third forehand.

    The other thing with that big stride to your forehand is that you need to arrive exactly on time to the hitting zone to be able to carry your momentum into the stroke - way too easy to get caught slightly early or late to the ball. If you use that nice assertive split-step that you already have to burst toward the ball, you can set up at the hitting area more often and use those stutter/shuffle steps to maintain perfect positioning while you wait for the ball to come into your strike zone. When you stay ahead of the ball, you can more consistently hit it with smooth timing and good balance.

    Thanks for posting & keep on sluggin'!
     
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  5. hyogen

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    the last video is my hitting partner...lol
    critique me!!!
    i'm the asian guy in the yellow shirt/plaid shorts
     
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  6. fuzz nation

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    Okay, so I looked at the serves, too.

    There's a little more free energy lurking in there in terms of shoulder rotation. Look at how the shoulders and chest are basically facing diagonally into the court when the toss goes up. If you can turn them away from the target some more as that toss goes up (more to the right), you'll have more room to turn back through (to the left) as you swing up through the ball. No need to twist yourself into a pretzel, but should be able to easily take a little more of a rotational windup and it probably won't mess with your timing as you drive to the ball.

    ...and Happy New Year, too...
     
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    May I ask what sort of camera you are using?
     
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  8. hyogen

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    Casio ex-fh20. Also there is the nicer ex-f1
     
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    That camera is absolutely amazing. For example, I can tell you that Joey rips the ball pretty darn hard, yet the super slo mo makes him look like he is playing pattycake, the picture quality is so smooth.
     
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    hyogen, great video!!!! what frame rate did you use??? also aperture, shutter speed etc???

    I just got my ex-f1, and have been fooling around with it a bit. Pretty amazing all th cool little toys that come with it, but still figuring out what the best set-up to take high speed vidoe would be.

    BTW, no effen way you are a 2.5. 2.5's are basically just picking up a frame for the first time. you are way beyond that level. You have some really smooth strokes, and mechanics. Thanks for sharing.

    BTW, love the music. The theme music from "Last Dragon" (Bruce Lee Story)????
     
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    Sorry mate, I was put off by the 'war-theme' type music. What were you thinking???.
     
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    Looks good. You keep your none hitting arm up while you hit, which most dont when they post videos and you have good body rotation and bring your back foot around.
    Nice shorts, where did you get them?!

    edit- try to keep your left arm in the air for a bit longer on your serve.
     
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    It's refreshing to see somebody actually underrate themselfs for a change. I'd say your strokes look pretty solid, more like a 3.5. BWT, great video.
     
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    very nice hitting and super vids.

    One thing I noticed was that when you have to go further to your left for a BH, you take a big sideways step with your rt leg to hit, even if you have time to get behind the ball better. With more hustle, you can get over there an hit it more like you hit your BH on the center balls, which I felt was superior.
    See what you think and see if you agree.
     
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  16. 5263

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    Yes, it's funny though.
    If you under rate, you get slammed for sand bagging.
    If you over rate, folks think you are big headed.
    Too bad everyone ain't perfect at rating, right. LoL

    Easy 3.5+ on what I saw. Would have to see points to know more.
     
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    The normal speed ones are shot in the HD 1380x760 or something mode, the normal-to-slow motion are shot at 30fps to 210fps mode. I think your camera has 30-300fps mode. apperture, shutterspeed, lol...alll those are default or automatic. some of those videos aren't as sharp as they could be because the camera man didn't focus it right, etc...like for one you see that the camera is focused on the net right in front of the camera. i'm sure soon you'll be teaching me about the camera :D

    Yes, it's from "Dragon Bruce Lee Story" =D

    I think I could do that and start my shoulders in a more closed/away from court position and keep that trophy position longer. I think i could also toss the ball a little farther out into the court, but the angle of the camera sorta doesn't give justice to where the toss is.

    they're nike heritage shorts from about a year ago (summer heritage line I think) - you can find them on **** every once in a while

    what was i thinking on the music? well...i used to and still love movie soundtracks - what would movies be without scores? there are some amazing ones out there... hehe, sorry if you would have preferred to watch my vid like a silent film :eek:
     
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  18. Jackie T. Stephens

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    Nice but your backhand looks alittle.. flicky.
     
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    i do see what you mean and feel it too. that big step with my right let is so I get a good unit turn which becomes more important for those balls where I have to get there quicker. So, that results more of a weaker backhand or only a down the line backhand shot. Thanks, I'm gonna work on hustling better, better footwork, and unloading this fat that I shouldn't have :)
     
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  20. ssjkyle31

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    Depends, how are you doing against other rated players?
     
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  21. hyogen

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    the very first two look a little flicky I agree, but most of the other ones I thought were pretty good. However, it's def. not as smooth and established as the forehand side. My forehand can still be a good shot even if I'm late or a little off balance, etc...but my backhand...if I don't get a good step and unit turn in there (I can't really hit it with open stance...not enough power/rotation) then yes, it does end up being a little slappy - and not as powerful :|

    thanks TTW for helping me transform my backhand to where it is (still a work in progress) and my serve to where it is (had no idea what a trophy position was)...also my foot steps during a serve...if you look at my old vids which may or may not exist anymore...there was this really weird quick step I took with my back foot right before impact of the ball - and it used to break the kinetic chain, but now I think I can improve it further with the couple fixes i have already made.
     
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  22. ssjkyle31

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    You might want some shot behind you playing? I would like to see where the ball is going. Most look like they where going out.
     
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    i get killed by 5.0s - straight up bageled. 4.5's I can maybe win a game or three if I'm serving well. I almost never double fault, and have a pretty strong 2nd serve. My first serve is not a full flat serve, but I hear it has quite a bit of spin to it. When I'm healthy and energetic, I think I could hang with 4.0s. Not in doubles though... So, I'm sure I wouldn't win every match or even a majority of matches in 3.5. So I think over all maybe a 3.5 at the moment, but with potential to be 4.5...with time and if I get my fitness up...and of course lessons would help....but that's what you guys are for!
     
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    ok I'll get some--there are a couple short vids in that compliation with the camera behind my hitting partner so you can see some of my shots. Also, the ones where it is shooting vids of my friend you can see that almost all the shots are in, somewhere between the service line and the baseline. I have pretty low net clearance on my shots, but there is a lot of topspin generated by the wrist turn/windshield wiper action and my SW forehand grip. My weakest shot is the backhand and if it's a bad shot it'll be too short
     
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    nice video...the camera rocks!!
     
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  26. 5263

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    just so we are clear,
    I am commenting on the step with the right foot as you are hitting. right now on wide balls it's seems too sideways, even when not pushed for time. Could be why some of your BHs are short??

    When you hit BHs from the center of court, the rt foot steps more towards the net. I think this is better if you have time to do it even on wider balls.

    nice hitting though!
     
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    hyogen, do you have any shoulder related problems? judging from your first two serves, you're kind of going straight back and then straight forward, if you know what I'm talking about. On your racquet drop, try doing the " scratching your back" a little closer to your head. It looks like you're putting a lot of stress on your shoulder. other than that, pretty nice :).
     
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  28. drakulie

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    Could you shoot some video from outer space??? I'd like to see what is going in the parking lot around the courts to better determine what type of rating I will give you. :roll:
     
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  29. tenzinrocks

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    how did you get your video's slow motion so smooth? what program?
     
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    it's not a program, its the camera - look up casio ex-f1 or ex-fh20 :) instead of a normal camera which shoots 30 frames in a second, these vids are shot at 210frames per second.. and can do up to 1000 (1200 for the ex-f1). I recommend the ex-f1 if you have the $$ for it.
     
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  31. Passion4Tennis

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    Hyogen, several posters have made some useful comments on how to improve your technique, but I really think you should make conditioning your #1 priority. A guy I used to hit with was a good 30 pounds overweight, and once he started shedding those pounds, his level improved from a 3.5 to a 4.0. He got to the ball quicker, recovered faster, and had better endurance to play those second and third sets.
     
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    hmm, no shoulder problems here.

    definitely agree...that's my new years resolution. it sucks though...so much more fun to just play tennis
     
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  33. maratsafin5

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    I think you're a 4.0.
     
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    Damn nice quality on those slow-mos
     
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    I'd say you have 4.0 strokes, 3.5 serve, but I'm a crusty old fart.....
    You can definetely handle hitting the ball.
    But you can't really tell your level until you start playing some tounaments, and I mean more than 6, and THEN consider where you stand.
    One problem is height. You don't seem to have it. Meaning you have to retrieve farther and harder, and never make mistakes on YOUR part.
    Almost all of us under 5'11" tall have to retrieve lots, cover alley to alley, push deep approachs and never mis overheads.
    How are those shots?
    Sometimes, you can get farther in the end by starting with a slight handicap, then work hard, stay motivated, concentrate harder, and bypass the lucky 6'6" x 220lbs'ers who can win with sheer fun tennis.
    OTOH, slow, weak little guys like me can never get any real good.
     
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    3.5-4.0
    That's what I'd say.
     
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    I think you're a 4.0, but I'm no expert on NTRP ratings. Good luck with your New Years resolution!! (You don't look that overweight)
     
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    hmm I never considered myself short.. I am 5'11" and 205. but should be around 165. I guess I look short because of all this excess fat that I gained after college.. alas.
     
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    Once I get a private jet you are on my To Do list Hyogen!!!!

    Aiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiayahhhhhhhhh!
     
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    165lb? for 5'11?
    i'm 6'0 and i'm 148lbs, but im ripped tho but u should aimed for being ripped for tennis, it really helps. new years resolution maybe? how old r u
     
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    I'm 26.5

    gained all that fat within a couple years after college and have maintained it for another 2. ugh
     
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    very nice drakulie!

    what program did you use to create the 60 frames into a movie? windows movie maker? that's what i use...and to trim videos i use a free program dl'ed online called solveigMM avi trimmer
     
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    ^^yeah, I used winidows movie maker. I used the movie maker to trim/edit everything you see. I have to figure out how to put the music on there now. The music you hear in the 600fps vid is music that came with the program (sucks, but what could I do). :)

    I love the 60 frames per second photo option. It is so much more clearer than the vids. Although the vids are unbelievable in what they catch. Have to learn how to use the shutter speed, iso, etc to make it clearer/less distorted.
     
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    you just import an mp3 just like you import videos/pictures and then drag it onto your work-in-progress

    you can trim and move just like you can with videos and pictures. you can do fade in fade outs if you do more than one song.
     
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    So it was you?

    If so, things make a lot of sense now. You are an advanced player with good technique and it is understandable that player's frames are not a misfit for you. But others may be misled by your claims that K88 and K90 are suitable for 3.5/4.0 players.
     
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    Sorry, I didn't see your previous post. Yes, thats me.

    I have never really said the k90/kps88 or any other "players frame" is suitable for a 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0, 5.5 etc.

    I have always advocated that a player should demo and figure out for themsleves what they are comfortable with. I don't believe there is such a thing as a "players frame", or "tweener frame", etc. There are just different frames with differing characteristics, etc.

    My ex-grilfriend (fairly athletic) wanted to take up the sport. the first day we went out to the courts, I took a variety of frames (Volkl c10 pro 98, Radical Oversize, POG mid, etc, etc, etc). I told her to pick any frame. After "dry swinging" every one of them, she chose the POG mid first. we hit for about 5-10 minutes, trying each one out.

    She ended up picking the POG Mid, because she stated it felt the most comfortable in **HER** hands. Who am I to tell her, "it isn't comfortable", and what she is experiencing is a hallucination.

    She played no differently with that frame than any other. She hit the ball long, into the net, swung and missed, hit it over the fence, etc, etc,, etc/ And yes, she evern hit some in the courts. Not one frame made any difference. The only thing that was important at that point was for her to feel comfortable. Period.
     
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    ^^^ All that maybe true, but nevertheless your racquet choices should be taken with a grain of salt by recreational players. How can I tell that? I noticed that your eye is on the contact point on the backhand even after the ball has gone. Such a small thing can indicate the level of the player.
     
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    ^^suresh, I still miss shots (a lot) on both the fh and bh. I still make dumb mistakes, get lazy with the feet, shank shots, etc. I still have a lot of improving to do and am working on it, even though I know I'm never going to win the US Open, or be above an average player at best. Yes, some of us are a bit higher level, but really>>>> who cares??? We are just hacks on this board with one common love/passion>>> tennis.

    Again, who am I to tell someone else what **they** are or are not comfortable with? I see beginners using mids all the time. I see them using OS frames all the time. One thing is for certain>> they are enjoying themselves, and that's all that matters.

    I may be an advanced player, but simply can't get comfortable using a head heavy frame. Go figure. It all comes down to what the individual finds comfortable, and if they are enjoying themsleves enough to keep playing. :)
     
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