Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by krosero, Nov 7, 2007.
i´d like to know how often newk attacked the net and how long the final lasted. does anybody know?
I didn't count the net approaches, but Newk came in behind all his serves. He served on 135 points, including his aces and double-faults.
Newk also came in a lot in Jimmy's service games, but again, I didn't do a count.
Don't know the running time.
btw, are aces usually included on those net-statistics? i know that service-winners do.
Net stats would not usually include the aces, and offhand I don't recall any that included them.
Can someone tell me what happen in first point of 8th game in 4th set, I miss it on my video
I know Newk won it but need information was first or second serve, and how he won the point, also how many strokes were in rally
Newk was a great grass-court player and what's more, he had the smarts. Newk was 30 and an experienced big-match player, still at or near his peak. He had been around the game a long time. Like Jimbo said, Newcombe also had a lot of pride in himself, and in front of a home audience too.
John had played himself in at the Masters just previously as well, knew the courts and Connors was cocky back then,22. We know what Jimmy was like back then. This match was a bit like Ali v Foreman where Ali out-thought the powerful young Foreman. Experience. Newcombe had the big game to give Jimbo a grass court lesson. Connors got some smarts himself later on.
My disc comes into it mid-point; Connors is making a BHV, with Newk on the baseline. Newk then makes a BH lob over his head; Connors runs back and throws up a FH sitter that Newk puts away with a FHV.
It looks to me like Connors, when he makes his BHV, has just come in behind his serve. So in my own stats I gave him a first serve.
If that's right it's 6 strokes in all.
So, first serve, probably return from backhand wing, 6 shots, Newk's winner with FHV on the net
Long rallyes were almost all the same , with Jimbo running back and forward and Newk sending great deep lobs from baseline
I will post my stats when I make them
Newcombe had great stamina and strength, since he had beaten Roche in a very tough 5 sets match just some hours before playing Connors
I cannot recall whom Jimmy beat in the last four...maybe Alexander?
I think Roche and Newk played on Tuesday and final was on Wednesday
Nadal Power and kiki: Connors beat Dick Crealy in SFs 6-4,6-3,6-4 who in QFs had beaten John Alexander.
Thanks.Crealy looks very underrated since he wasAO sf in 75 and runner up in 1970
kiki, Yes, and he is a nice guy who gave me an autograph in 1975 at Wimbledon in a friendly manner.
Crealy once beat Rod Laver but I have forgotten when and where.
In 1972 he was runner up to Colin Dibley at the Kitzbühel claycourt tournament (Austrian International Championships) even though both players were serve and volley players...
Great event and greater place Kitzbuhel
Dibley had a booming serve and had good results on grass, did not know he also won on cc
Crealy almost beat Laver at 69 FO, it was Laver hardest match that yr at Paris
1975 AusOpen final Newcombe-Connors is one of my favourite matches ever. I just can not get tired re-watching it once and again.
End of the 60s to mid 70s is probably my favourite tennis era to watch. Tennis was really beautiful back then.
kiki, Have you ever been at Kitzbühel?. I was there once, in 1972, but I did not watch the final. I did see young Roscoe Tanner beating old Torben Ulrich (without beard)...
Kitzbühel is also venue of the world's premier ski downhill race, called "Hahnenkamm".
Ken Rosewall once told me that in 1963 when the pro troup played at Kitzbühel he met Toni Sailer the all-time greatest skier (not Killy!).
It really is, best tennis&rock era ever
Never been but would like
I beem to Garmisch in the Bayernische Alps, is it similar?
I remember Franz Klamer and wonderful Ingemar Stenmark, who was God gifted
kiki, I cannot decide if Garmisch is similary to Kitzbühel. But both are venues for the rich and super rich ones. Therefore they are not my places...
Franz Klammer is overrated in Austria. Karl Schranz has won more downhill races.
Yes, Stenmark was great. He won not less than 86 ski races...
Maybe your friend Rosewall treats you there...if you can get his hand out of his pocket!!!
I was kidding
Remember Hansi Krankl and Herbert Prohaska?
kiki, Yes, Austria had some great soccer periods, f. i. when it defeated Germany in 1978 featuring Krankl and Prohaska.
My country finished third in the 1954 World Championships but was at her best in the early 1930s when the "Wunderteam" was arguably the world's best nation in soccer. Our hero, Matthias Sindelar, was once ranked the best soccer player before WW2!
Coming back to AO, the 1980 event was the best in years featuring Lendl,Vilas,Clerc,Gerulaitis,Pecci,Gottfried,Noah and Mc Namara, yet big server and volleyer brian teacher won it.
He is underrated too.While not a great champion, he had wins over Connors and Borg during his career and was a W and US fourth rounder many times.He deserves some credit, too.
Garmisch is one of the nicest mountain vilages I know.But it is also very bavarian and there is also lots of money there.
I know the southern countryland and Wienn from your country.It is beautiful and country people seem nice to me.maybe in the future, I´ll visit it again.Tirol is appealing enough.
kiki, I appreciate your interest in my country and your compliments about it. But please write "Wien" for Vienna, not Wienn...
truth, I always put an N more than required when I think of the german language.
Newcombe's service stats improved in GS finals as he got older. We have stats for five of his finals, and in each one he raised his first-serve percentage and improved his ace/df ratio.
49.2% vs Laver (4 aces, 9 df)
53.8% vs Rosewall (6 aces, 7 df)
59.5% vs Smith (9 aces, 5 df)
59.6% vs Kodes (6 aces, 2 df) [just last two sets]*
62.2% vs Connors (17 aces, 7 df)
* We don't have stats for the full Kodes match.
Still it's uncanny, how precise the progression was.
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