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  1. canadad

    canadad Semi-Pro

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    Please be kind, I don't claim to be great or even good. I am not posting this to get mocked and I must admit I am slightly nervous about doing this. My goal is to get better and don't have to time to get coaching. I can see that I am sloppy and lazy at times.
    That said, here is some footage of me hitting complete with slow motion and a string of errors. Any tips on how I can get more consistent?
    http://youtu.be/_ToH7bDffl8
     
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  2. canuckfan

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    You seem in pretty good shape. You are good! Not an allstar but some nice strokes and good timing. You have some pretty good pace and a natural ability to take the ball early. Maybe some of your strokes are a little "slappy", but not necessarily in a bad way. I would like to see if you have a consistent, higher rally ball with heavier spin. Maybe you do and it just wasn't being used in that clip. If you have (or develop) that heavier safe rally ball you can mix it in with your other shots and give your game more depth/variety; you will become a lot more difficult to play against.

    I'd like to see you take that one handed backhand deep crosscourt. I think, like many onehanders, you hit down the line or up the middle because it is a bit easier. If you can develop a consistent deep crosscourt backhand with good angle and spin that will be a major weapon for you. Plus, it will make your down the line backhand even more lethal.

    Good stuff, it takes guts to post a vid.
     
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  3. tkoziol

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    Strokes look great! I would try and develop a bit more spin. Topspin is a great way to be more consistent. One thing that might help is watching some replays of Wawrinka at Madrid on ESPN3.com. Its live right now Wawrinka and Berdych. Wawrinka certainly flattens out his one hander, but on clay he does seem to spin it up more.

    I know watching a pro do it on TV and you doing it yourself on the courts are two totally different things. But it definitely couldn't hurt.

    As for the forehand, sometimes it looks a bit stiff. I would try to loosen it up (especially the wrist).
     
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  4. Andyroo10567

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    Forehand ,
    Try keeping the weight towards the ball. <- meaning also to put your left foot on the floor during contact and rotating the back foot ( right foot ). This should put more depth into your shot with topspin. Otherwise, your strokes are looking very good.

    Backhand,
    Preventing the left foot from kicking up would give you a little bit more balance during your shots. To prevent it, just sort of rotate your left foot as your hitting while keeping your toes on the court. Again, strokes are looking good.

    These are all minor things im mentioning. Nothing to be worrying about too much. Good form.
     
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  5. psv255

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    Are you kidding?! That's some very nice, fluid hitting. As canuckfan noted, you have a knack for hitting right off the bounce, and this is hard to do consistently. It looks like you're on top of the baseline, so moving back and giving yourself more time is an option.

    Never bend at the waist for a low ball, you lose your balance! Bend the knees instead.

    To make your FH more effective, takeback could use some tweaking (more "palm-down", neutral wrist). Solid stroke nonetheless.
     
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  6. arche3

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    Lmao.... stop already. You know your a very good player. Seriously. :D
     
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  7. rkelley

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    Your strokes look great - fantastic really. You're set-up well, are split stepping, and hit through the ball nicely. You don't let depth from your opponent push you back, especially laudable off your 1hbh side - you hang in and take it on the rise.

    Your fh could have more topspin, that's true, but there's nothing wrong with what you have. Your fh has a WTA look to it in the way the racquet goes back behind your body before you start your forward swing - and this is just an observation, not a criticism. You're not getting quite as much upward component to your swing as you could if you adjusted your swing to keep the racquet from going back behind your body, set-up with the racquet pointing to side fence, and then drove the butt of the racquet at the ball and pulled up and across. But seriously, your swing looks nice just as it is. You're taking a nice cut at it.

    Your feet seemed to get a bit lazier in the latter half of the video. Don't do that. As someone else mentioned, are you going DTL too much? There's a big part of consistency that's about choosing smart targets, which at a very basic level means hitting cc with most of your shots.

    Again, nice strokes.
     
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  8. thebluereverend

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    Well I won't pretend to be at any sort of a level where I could give advice but I have to say your strokes look really nice to me. I love the way you take the ball on the rise and your swing looks nice and fluid.
     
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  9. Lukhas

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    Maybe a true windshield wiper finish without grabbing the racquet at the end? You kinda have the "over the shoulder follow-through". I'd like to be able to hit like this everyday though... :lol: Very clean strokes, good on the rise hitting on both wings... What else? :)
     
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  10. Relinquis

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    nice strokes. what problems do you face during matches/competitive point play?
     
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  11. sureshs

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    Is this some troll thread? You are hitting like a pro.
     
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  12. canadad

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    Thanks(?) and no, this is no troll thread. I have not seen myself on video for 20 years and taped myself last night. I sometimes watch people post their videos and I am impressed, but read other people writing disparaging and at time rude things. I don't think anyone likes reading insulting things about themselves. So thanks for the compliment, but I assure you this is no troll thread.

    In match play I battle with losing rhythm and thus losing consistency. Consistency is my biggest battle. I typically start strong, but I lose belief and fall apart.

    I really want to thank people for their comments. I have been writing them down on cheat sheets for the next time I go out. It is really nice having a set of knowledgeable and fresh eyes take a look.
     
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  13. WildVolley

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    I know it isn't very helpful, but you need to get a tripod for that camera.
     
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  14. arche3

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    looks like tennisballa from the back with a cap. lol. guy is ripping the ball. he did miss some easy balls but still lmao..
     
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  15. sureshs

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    ^^^ I am not that familiar with tennis balla's back
     
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  16. syke

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    Your good enough...
     
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  17. rkelley

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    I thought he looked like Balla too.
     
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  18. user92626

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    I'm gonna just say it..you hit like a woman. :)

    Your FH is like WTA women's. Past the line backswing, mostly neutral stance and catching the racket at the end a la Ivonavic. Nothing wrong with that though, cuz WTA is still a pretty high standard.
     
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  19. canadad

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    Ouch, not that there is anything wrong with that, but I think I will be working to change that. Honestly, I had never heard of that term until today. However, a manly WTA forehand as it were. My coach in juniors was a woman if that explains anything, but that was 20 years ago.

    So refer to what rkelly had said? "...set-up with the racquet pointing to side fence, and then drove the butt of the racquet at the ball and pulled up and across."
     
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  20. rufus_smith

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    The guy is feeding you the same type of ball (speed , bounce , spin, spots) every time . In matches you get a variety and you won't be ready and you will be inconsistent for sure.
     
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  21. canadad

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    I just looked him up, wow, I am not in that guy's planet. Thanks, that is a huge compliment.
     
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  22. mightyrick

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    C'mon dude, this is almost like trolling. I think you realize you're good. You coming to this group asking for tips is like Gisele Bundchen coming to this group asking how we can make her prettier.

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    Hi, there. Please be kind... I'm not saying I'm beautiful or even slightly pretty. I'm not posting this to have people make fun of me, but I know I'm nasty and ugly a lot of the time. Any tips on how I can be less ugly?
     
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  23. user92626

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    Wow, I couldn't believe coach's influence on their student! But that makes sense.

    Hey if there's not anything wrong, why are you going to change? Just kidding. :)

    Yeah just change it to look cool. Rec tennis is kinda slow so it makes little difference anyway, but if you watch ATP, these guys need to stay facing the net most of the time, ie semi/open stance, pivoting, pushing off the hitting side foot which gives them plenty of power to afford a shorter takeback. Guys like Fed and Nadal also milk their springy wrists which virtually no WTA women do.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkjOXgO0qEU
     
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  24. beernutz

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    I would trade my youngest for your OHBH. Not really, but I do covet it greatly. Very nice video and good looking strokes imo.
     
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  25. Lukhas

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    If it really worries you, there's this video...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0uCQBiH2Ko

    Although you probably have a better forehand than most people here. :lol:
     
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  26. arche3

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    In that case a rising 4.5 would easily beat the op.
     
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  27. Relinquis

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    cool strokes. for your forehand, here are some tips.

    General tip for more easy power: during takeback have more space between your elbow and your body. as you swing to the ball this added space makes the lever of your racquet arm longer. try it and see if it works. just an idea. you can keep the double bend, but still give yourself some space and room to swing.

    Match tips:

    if you're hitting late in matchplay it might be your long takeback. just try to shorten the takeback while maintaining the fast swing speed through the ball and the full follow through... you'll find for different types of shots you'll finish over the shoulder as in teh video and for others you'll finish to the side between the top of the shoulder and mid-tricep. this shouldn't be forced. I've had to make the similar change, what helped me was practicing swing volleys. (drill below). You'll find that you automatically do the required finish to get the ball to have more spin and come into the court while maintaining fast racquet and ball speed. you don't force it. also, don't obsess about the long takeback. Novak Djokovic has a relatively long one (takeback).

    This is a related video on finishes (when he says turn the hand it is a forearm movement, not a wrist movement) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ccud4yjHbM
    This is the swing volley drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59M0ZTSje30


    If you are hitting in the net a lot (i had this problem), it could be that you are bending over at the waist when running down balls or when running to short balls/drop shots. just bend your knees more when you're setting up to hit the ball (almost like lunging to the side/diagonally), don't get low while you're running to the ball as that will slow you down. when you set up to hit the ball, get your butt a little lower, but don't point it out behind you as you will be unbalanced (will bend over and dump ball in net).

    For real progress:
    Hire tennisballa as I am not a coach ;)
     
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  28. rosewall4ever

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    quicker recovery split step... split at or before op hits ball...that way you antcipate and get to the next ball easier...getting fluid strokes i think has been your aim, so working on take back and follow through will get you there...as Don budge would say there is no shame in trying to imate another persons strokes..
     
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  29. TomT

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    Nice hitting. I think you're basically qualified for the "people who give advice" group rather than the "people who need advice" group. While keeping in mind that even the best of strokes might be improved in some way or other.
     
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  30. wings56

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    want a good piece of advice? the biggest thing i could say is you need to let your wrist go on the forehand. keeping it laid back throughout is going to be the biggest thing holding you back. like it has already been addressed, the atp vs. wta style forehand. if you can loosen up your wrist to allow the racquet head to pass beyond and through your wrist through contact, i think you can take another step forward.
     
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  31. KineticChain

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    compliment fishing much? you already know you are better than at least 85% of the people that post here
     
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  32. canadad

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    Okay, my apologies for wasting your time to all the people who have called me a troll. I honestly was not expecting that type of reaction. I can see your point and I am not seeking just compliments. I like encouragement as much as anyone, but honestly I would like to improve. There are people on these boards who know what they are talking about. I know I have decent strokes, but they are flawed and need tweaking, especially my forehand. Right now I am dumping balls into the net and hammering them long if I compensate. I get wild at times. I guess my thread title and intro were a little too much and I should have dialled it back on the 'please be gentle' part. I don't know that I am better than 85% of people here, I live in a bubble and play in one place and I am definitely not the best here. I was nervous about posting and think things have backfired a little.

    Okay that said, I really like this idea of changing my wrist on the forehand. Watching those instruction videos has me interested to try and see if I can get more racquet head speed and topspin. There has been some pretty fantastic feedback and I would like to thank you for taking time to help me.
     
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  33. HughJars

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    Wow, nice hitting. Most people round here would pine for form like that :)
     
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  34. ATP100

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    Make sure practice strokes and match strokes are the same.
     
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  35. canadad

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    Thanks for all that, insightful stuff.
     
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  36. canadad

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    Absolutely, when someone is able to give me many different types of balls I am toast. I am starting to play rally games more and more.
     
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  37. tennis_balla

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    Could you do another video of your forehand, but this time set the camera higher? Its an awkward angle to try and comment on.
    What I got from that video is you're not hitting your forehand from the ground up enough. I'll let Nick B explain: http://youtu.be/cbS0ycWJJEw?t=6m17s

    Your backhand is different from this, but its difficult to comment on 1 video alone. If you watch the first slow motion part of your video, to me it looks like you sorta push your body forward with your legs on your forehand, the very first slow motion forehand shows it well. There isn't much happening there with the legs, you're a lot more dynamic on your backhand. Forehand seems like this soft lift, a push, almost like you're being careful. On the backhand you load up much better. You gotta drive your legs into he ball. That doesn't mean you gotta be aggressive, but the power should be coming from the ground up, loading from your legs.

    Also, what you could work on is opening up your hips earlier to generate better racket head speed. If you watch Rafa in this video, notice how he loads, drives up and before contact his hips will open up allowing him to generate more racket head speed naturally. Your arm will feel like it just shoots through the contact effortlessly if done right. Its a subtle movement with the hips, but big gains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s6o66M1Lsg
     
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  38. tommyfr

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    Hi, I also think your strokes are fine, esp your backhand.

    On the other hand quite a few of your forehands seems to go long, so already at this rallying some inconsistencys showed up, and I can understand that in match that could be a major issue.

    As for some coaching feedback, in addition to some other good feedback already.

    Your rhythm seems a bit rushed, esp the forehand.

    And i miss more rotation in your forehand, so that your left shoulder face the back fence at the finish, rather than the sidefence. this way you would use the big muscles more and less of arming the ball.

    I think this will improve your rhythm and consistency.
     
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    Just ignore them, either temporarily or permanently in your ignore list.
     
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  40. wings56

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    in defense of the OP, was he supposed to say - hey guys, im actually kinda good at tennis... but i'm looking to improve on some things...

    then he gets... oh your forehand is this...backhand that...footwork this...you aren't really THAT good....

    I agree that it takes guts to post ANY video of yourself on these forums.
     
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  41. canadad

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    Thanks, watching it back, it all makes sense. This is the type of feedback I was looking for. I appreciate it!
    I think I try too hard sometimes and it can appear as rushed.
    Thanks for the support guys.
     
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  42. Shroud

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    Nice strokes. What I wouldnt give for a hitting partner that understands the term "rally". Some think it means try to hit a winner every shot.

    I watched it a few times and most of the time the backhand appears to cross the net higher than the forehand. THere are some shots where the forehand does cross the net higher but a few shots is goes in the net. Anyhow more topspin will give you more clearance over the net and more safety/ consistency.

    Anyhow here is a vid that helped me get the "modern" forehand and should help you with the spin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0WFvuMs8zo
     
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  43. rkelley

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    ^^^^^
    Like the video except in all of his demonstration swings his elbow was pinned to his side. I know he wasn't focusing on the elbow, but I think it's better if you can get the elbow away from the body a bit. You'll get more leverage out of your shoulders.
     
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  44. Shroud

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    Yeah I agree. It is interesting that I have been doing an exagerated takeback with the elbow far from my body to get me to not hit the wta forehand.

    Really that for me at least is the key if you get the take back right it all falls into place.
     
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