Spanish to sue French broadcaster over Nadal drug skit!

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  1. namelessone

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    Agassi played both ends on this one. He took the ATP's deal at the time to cover up the whole thing, played on, won titles, made money on tour, then years later he rats himself out, plays the victim(he was a meth user, didn't really like tennis etc) card and ends up with the best outcome - money from his confessions via his book and in most people's views, put the blame on the ATP for cover up, not himself. And let's face it, it's easier to hate an anonymous bunch of suits than a legend of the game. For the public, they are ones to blame for hiding's Agassi's "weaknesses" at the time instead of exposing them.

    Tennis wise, Gasquet is guilty of nothing IMO. Did cocaine improve his performance in any way? I highly doubt, look at Richie's results.
    Sure, his defence was laughable but that was because he couldn't bring himself to say that he made a mistake(tried coke). Coke use is illegal in most countries so Gasquet is at fault there(should be glad that he didn't do jail time) but from a tennis POV this was a PR move, it had nothing to do with artificially boosting performance.
     
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    Rafa and Contador are not friends. Of course they know each other, but that message of support was written by many Spanish athletes on twitter (Gasol, Iniesta, etc.) and it was just a way of being nice towards their compatriot.
     
  3. CMM

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    I see drakuLIE is back. :lol:
    You know, I've read a similar story about Soderling on another forum. They say he's not really sick and that he's actually serving a quiet suspension.
    I wonder what "the laptop girl" has to say about this.

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  4. namelessone

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    Laptop girl really disappointed me when she didn't save that compromising video of Nadal training on her hard-drive for later use as damning evidence.

    Unfortunately, laptop girl was relying on internet links. It's the sad story of how Nadal got away thanks to the administrator of the vamos website or whatever it was called. It's also sad how dozens of journalists, who would literally jump at an opportunity for controversy, missed this very controversial video.
     
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    It is speculation, but I would not rule anything out. Lots of advertisinig and equipment deals behind the scenes - players have different sponsors fiercely competing for market share and so forth.
     
  6. marcub

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    So does OJ.
     
  7. Sentinel

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    She drowned did she? That must have overwhelmed poor Rafa.
     
  8. Tammo

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    Maybe someone has already asked this, but how much money do the Spaniards want. And which rich Frenchi would pay for it?
     
  9. namelessone

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    The manifestations of broad humor probably show no detectable increase in complexity for the last few thousand years. They may even show regression in many cases. I think the Spanish authorities are taking this puppet show much too seriously and failing to capture the spirit of the game. They need lessons in trolling.

    On another level, the whole issue of performance enhancing substances in endurance sports has reached a point where it seems to be only a means of control, and little more as far as I can see. If it’s true that all the top cyclists and track&field athletes are (by necessity) employing these methods and staying a few steps ahead of the controllers in an ever-increasing list of Forbidden Molecules, the whole thing becomes a kind of merry go round game of moral posturing, where once in a while the dance is briefly interrupted by throwing someone under the bus to keep up the pretense that things are under control and the “cheaters” are being caught and punished. But best of all, it’s a system that allows a terrific means of control to keep potential troublemakers in line. Athletes are already as politically meek as Dolly’s little lamb. Imagine for a moment that a succesful athlete in a popular sport started using his considerable soapbox to make lucid belligerant speaches about the putrefaction of the system, or something along those lines. Wouldn’t it be child’s play to have a few of those offending molecules show up in samples of his body fluids?

    Further, doesn’t the Lord love all molecules alike? I am beginning to think along the lines proposed by that Mexican specialist, Angel Heredia, who proposes the whole system should be scrapped and that only the really dangerous substances should be banned, to prevent sad spectacles like Tom Simpson, dropping dead while climbing a hill after gorging himself with amphetamines.

    The problem is that anything can be dangerous beyond a certain level, and if you allow total free reign, some are bound to get overambitious with some of these molecules. EPO appears to be a benign and loving friend if used judiciously, but it can also kill you if you allow the percentage of red blood cells to get too high, thus thickening your blood to the point you are a candidate for heart infarction (but then again you can also kill yourself by drinking too much water in one sitting). So I suppose on such grounds the doping and testing game will continue to be played more or less as it is being played now, which is good for the controllers and the perpetuation of ethical posturing.
     
  11. TheTruth

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    Pure and simple. This is the best summation of that situation that I've read.
     
  12. drakulie

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    Uhmmm, you conveniently forget to mention the BILLIONS of dollars the ATP made by covering for Agassi and all the other high profile players they cover up for. But the ATP really doesn't give a hoot about the players and what they do to themselves phsically to play. So, YES, they are victims.....not the ATP as you would have us believe.
     
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    What Agassi took was a recreational drug. It had nothing to do with doping whatsoever.
    To me the real scandalous revelation of Andre's book was the business of parents giving amphetamines to their kids to improve perf. That had everything to do with doping and gave blood curling insight into the mentality of adults pushing their kids into pro sport (for not so healthy reasons). Interestingly, this part of the book was totally ignored, the crystal meth anecdote being sensationalized instead, even though (or maybe because) it has nothing to do with cheating. Quite the opposite, Andre's perf plummeted while he was doing it.
     
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    Another interesting thing about Agassi's meth "confession" was the negative and un-supportive reaction to it by some current players, as opposed to the way some have reacted to more recent busts in different sports (bro love for Contador). One way to interpret their negative reaction is that Agassi basically blew the whistle on how players can and do get covered for by the powers that be. If he got away with it, why couldn't players today? If I had something to hide, and had a federation and perhaps a player's union covering up for me, I would be upset that Agassi let the world know that such things happen. I'm all for innocent until proven guilty, but the principle can, and has, also be used as a cloak by the guilty to hide from a naive or innocent public/fanbase.
     
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    roddick says he does charity promotion because agassi was his superstar friend, so he claimed nothing was wrong with agassi breaking laws.

    payback's a biotch, huh, loyal friend rodduck. lollol
     
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    You're right that there is never just one side to a story.

    Agassi may not be as much of a victim as he claims in his book, but when a cover up of any nature occurs, it's not a question of which party to blame. It's all about the perspective it gives. All the parties are to blame as the cover up happened with their own agreement.

    As in any organization, the verismillitude of the facts always come in a top-down direction. So when we know that a cover up happens, it's only natural to blame the higher ups for any non-disclosure.

    Agassi's story is more than likely only the slight tip of an iceberg. It did put into perspective all the things that can still be covered today and we will never know.
     
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  17. Fate Archer

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    Good post.

    Also have to consider that whistleblowers coming forward like this can be really damaging to the reputation of sports or organizations of any kind. More reasons as to why some of the players reacted as they did.

    It was really a big jab at the ATP. It did hurt the integrity of the sport, no matter how you look at it.
     
  18. corners

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    Yeah, definitely that's the alternative explanation. Who knows, eh?
     
  19. Nathaniel_Near

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    Hang on... Wait a second.

    Is this heya???????

    NO WAI.
     
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    Come on now, he didn't have to spell it literally, did he?
    He made himself clear enough - you can cheat and get away with it... you don't really believe he's pouring all his heart out in his book.

    The common sense question to be raised is obvious: if he took that, lied about it and got away with it - what else did he take and no one says a word about?
     
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    Very good post.
     
  22. SLD76

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    what the..what?

    amphetamines are a stimulant and long since banned because it enhances reactions, reduces fatigue and helps hand-eye coordination. It has been banned in baseball for ages.

    There is nothing 'recreational' about Andre's amphetamine use.

    And I think it probably wasnt the only drug he took either...Mr. "in the best shape of my life at 30+"
     
  23. jackson vile

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    Sounds a lot like Federer's story doesn't it?
     
  24. SLD76

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    Only to the retarded.

    Oh wait.
     
  25. jackson vile

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    Oh wait, anyone else at the top is up for discussion but Federer is 100% immune. Strange that!
     
  26. SLD76

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    FEDEEFDEREDEREDEREDEREREDEREDFEREFEREDFEFEEEDEREREDERER

    *Jacksonvile's brain*
     
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    I thought crystal meth was a recreational drug?. Is it really used as a PED?. :confused:
     
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    what?

    he didnt take crystal meth.

    ROFL. He'd barely knew who he was much less be able to play tennis on crystal meth, roflmao.

    He took amphetamines during matches.

    And crystal meth isnt what id call "recreational" its a very very dangerous drug.

    Marijuana, wine, booze in general...thats recreational.

    Nothing 'recreational' about crack, coke, pcp, angel dust and crystal meth.
     
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    Matches? He only mentioned one instance where his father gave him a pill when he was a very young teenager and he claimed that he told his father he never wanted to do so again and his father obliged.
     
  30. Magnus

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    Of course they hate Nadal's style. Which sane tennis fan wouldn't? :shock:
     
  31. SLD76

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    Ok...so he only used it once.

    Its probably true.
     
  32. Mick

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    as for the french players, at the AO, they said french players hate/fear Andy Murray's style because he always beats them like a drum :)
     
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    I have no idea how many times he used, I was just pointing out that he only talked about one instance. Apparently, you know for a fact that he used amphetamines in multiple matches.

    Seems legit.
     

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