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Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by UpTheT, Feb 15, 2006.

  1. Captain Haddock

    Captain Haddock Rookie

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    Breakpoint, your enthusiasm brings a smile to my face. I've always been a huge fan of Mac. I had good seats at the 1984 Brussels indoors where he destroyed Lendl in the final, in under one hour. I've never seen hands quite like that since. Nor have I ever seen this king of imagination on a tennis court. His return-and-volley game was amazing in his prime. The two masters finals he won against Lendl (in 84 and 85) were unbelievable displays of attacking tennis. I'm going to watch the doubles on the TC tonight in hopes that he makes it all the way to the final.
     
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  2. superman1

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    This just in, McEnroe wins 6-1 7-5. And apparently he had an argument with the umpire in the second set. Next up might be the 4th seeds Levinsky and Lindstedt for a spot in the finals.
     
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  3. UpTheT

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    Rightly so. There were two horrible calls on the same baseline. He made sure not to curse. It was a mild tongue lashing--atleast before comercial break.
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Yeah, I was there again tonight. Johnny Mac didn't play as well as he did on Wed. night, but fortunately for them, Bjorkman stepped up and played better tonight than he did on Wed. night. I think he was just really nervous playing with Mac for the first time ever on Wed. night. Tonight, after the match, he said he was nervous in the opening game and that's why he was broken.

    Anyway, Mac and Jonas move on to the semis on Sat. night. They're going to have their hands full though. I watched the other doubles match tonight, too, and this team of Levinsky and Lindstedt looked very impressive in taking down Murray and Auckland in straight sets. L and L are both big servers and hit really hard groundies and are both extremely good at the net. I think Mac and Jonas' only hope is that this young team have never faced anyone that hits the soft, touch shots like Mac before and maybe that'll throw their games off just enough to give the old guys an edge. I hope Mac and Jonas can pull it off but I wouldn't bet my life savings on it.
     
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  5. cak

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    I was there last night and it was magic. The whole crowd stayed, including the second deck, for the Mac Enroe/Bjorkman match, and seemed more into doubles than into the Roddick singles match. (And Roddick and Phau were both playing great. That Phau can really whale on a ground stroke.) And seeing Mac yell at a linesman sitting in front of me was just icing on the cake. I felt 20 years younger. (To be fair, this was the same linesman Roddick had a problem with, and from my seat on the floor, it looked to me like Roddick and Mac were both right. This same linesman also missed an awful call in the doubles match after that, but those British lads just looked at each other and shrugged it off.)

    It was hard to judge how Levinsky and Linstedt would do against Mac and Bjorkman. Murray and Auckland looked off, and I would be surprised if Mac and Bjorkman would be serving up the floaters Auckland was. When they kept the ball down L and L weren't as sharp at volleys, but they didn't have to be. Murray and Auckland won maybe two points in an L and L service game the whole first set. So, without the chance of breaking service, Murray and Auckland would have had to be perfect on their service games, and they weren't. I don't know if Mac and Bjorkman can deal better with those big serves or not. We get to see tonight :)
     
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  6. Rabbit

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    It's been my experience that it's easier to get into a doubles match for a crowd. There's more action, there's more variety, and there's usually more personality.

    I stayed up and watched the match on TTC. It's hard to believe that McEnroe could've played better in his first match than he did in the first set versus these two guys. They stayed Australian on him all night long, something they evidently thought would bother him. It didn't. They won a few points, but McEnroe clearly had the better of them.

    Shiras mentioned something on TV that I hadn't thought of. In doubles today, there are very few who play like McEnroe. There were several points where one of his opponents served to McEnroe. McEnroe returned and followed the ball in, more often than not beating the server to the net. The server's partner also more often than not was looking back at his partner's reply. At this point, McEnroe is in position to make a volley past the opposing net man. Tactics that are simple in plan and brilliant in execution.

    Well, that's not exactly true. Back when I played with wood in the 70s and 80s, I strung my frames at 58 pounds. Today, I'm stringing them at 54 with TIMO or 62 with multi. That's a 60 sq in head versus a 100 sq in head in my case. I think it's more a case of his tastes or feel chaning somewhat. As a matter of fact, a couple of years ago when I was playing with the Head Vilas, I sturng it at 58 as well. Wood frames are just completely different than their newer cousins.

    Bjorkmann's return is solid against any speed serve. McEnroe can handle pace as well. I don't think they'll get served off the court. The bigger possibility, IMO, is that they get returned off the court. But, I don't see that happening as well. This also points up something else. Several years ago, the commentators in WTA matches were talking about how fast the girls served. McEnroe clearly demonstrates that while MPH may be flashy, there's nothing like a) disguise, b) spin, and c) placement to actually produce a more effective serve.

    I was pumped last night watching it. You always hear the Senior Tour commentators say that McEnroe still has enough to hang with the regular tour, but you always attribute that to marketing. It's really great to see that it's true.

    Did anyone else see the Roddick/Phau match? Phau's coach is none other than Karsten Braasch, the destroyer.
     
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  7. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I guess that's true, too, that Mac is looking for a different feel, but he sure seems to be hitting his strokes and massaging the ball in exactly the same way as he did back in his prime. BTW, remember that Mac still uses all natural gut as he always has, and you're only stringing lower today with poly.

    Remember also that Bjorkman has always played the ad court in all of his doubles success. This is the first time (according to him) that he had played the deuce court in doubles (because Mac would only play the ad side), so I think he is still trying to adjust.

    As anyone who plays doubles regularly knows, it not easy switching sides if you've played only one side most of your life.

    Let's hope Mac and Jonas can pull off another surprise win tonight!!!
     
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  8. Moose Malloy

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    Matthew Cronin, TennisReporters.net

    Mac says he's matured, but he's much the same man, ripping into chair umpire Norm Chryst after a questionable call in the second set. Then, a game later after a changeover, going to the lines woman who made the call and dropping F-bombs. "Do you always **** up calls like that?" Mac yelled. "Are you going to **** up this match too?"

    Nice blasts from the one-time dad of the year.

    On court protocol aside, Mac is still a brilliant player and should he decide to play dubs the rest of the year with an excellent partner like Bjorkman, could end the year in the Top 10. His serve, volley and instincts are still top notch. His return isn't what it once was and he's not threatening if he's pinned near the baseline, but he plays the angles as well as anyone.

    Mac/Bjorkman's two matches showed something else rarely discussed during the doubles controversy: There are a lot of inferior players masquerading as doubles specialists. At 47, Mac could take down both Fisher and Phillips in singles. The tops dubs team aside, many of the guys couldn't make it on the singles tours because of serious technical and mental deficiencies. They are lucky to have jobs and their tennis is not very entertaining.

    BTW: What is Chryst doing in the chair if he can't protect his own lines people from verbal assaults? He should have at least warned Mac.

    http://www.tennisreporters.net/scoop_mcenroe_021706.html
     
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  9. cak

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    Actually we were sitting behind the linesMAN (and yes, it was a guy with long hair). The quote we heard was "That call was bull****"

    That said, if he hadn't yelled at a linesman I think I would have wandered away from this tournament disappointed.

    And as I mentioned earlier, Roddick also had words with another ump, and this same linesman. Perhaps his perscription needed renewing. (And why do they let people with thick lenses call lines? There was one guy out their with glasses about 1/2 thick, his eyes looked huge and distorted. Can they really see lines without distortion with glasses like that?)
     
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