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Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by soyizgood, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. Hot Sauce

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    Where are there mineral patches further from the CC/Nexus/Hatch than others?

    And no, quick cheese is not the only thing considered an all-in. Don't make it absolute. For example, when you're on 1 base and your opponent is on 2 and has saturated his natural. You have to either drop down your own expo (which will be late), or you can go for an all-in push. So I will have to disagree with you on that because quick cheese is not the only all-in build. In fact, really crafty players have quick cheese builds that they can transition from into a macro game.
     
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    Love CheckPrime! My buddy switched over from Toss to Zerg just because he loves Check's style of play so much. Haha.

    And you're right, Idra has not FE recently.
     
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    One of these is not like the other.

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    True, but the one-base build is like the square. It can be a rectangle, but a rectangle can't be a square. A square can however be a rectangle, if you guys understand that analogy.
     
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    I think we are also confusing terms. Cheesing is something relatively easy to pull off yet difficult to counter effectively. An allin may not be cheese but if your attack doesn't significantly damage/destroy your opponent you're left at to much of a disadvantage.
     
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    Was just watching some of the check games from HDstarcraft and DAMN he is good. The check vs. justfake game was freaking unbelievable, so close and the end was just right to the wire.
     
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    Played a 2v2 practice match. T+Z vs the guys that were T+P.

    My Zerg teammate was slow in building up forces, so I fortified our rock barrier with tanks, bunkers, and turrets. Then after scanning the Terran enemy I built up 7 cloaked banshees. I destroyed the terran's main command center and the terran high-yield expansion before the protoss came with phoenixes.

    My ally loaded up on roaches and mutalisks. The one main battle was a complete butt-kicking by us. I still had the banshees. Had a ton of marines and marauders, a few thors, 3 battlecruisers. The enemy protoss was dumb. He had a mothership, only 1 colossus, one carrier to lead the melee units. I barely lost anything in that scuffle as the enemy terran didn't even siege his tanks to support his forces during the battle. :)
     
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    Didn't know fellow tennis players play StarCraft 2 as well lol.

    If anyone wants to play sometime:
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    Until I left knee heals up, I'll be getting acquainted with the game.
     
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    Tennis players are skilled in various games, video and physical.
     
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    I'm not sure how skilled I actually am lol. I thought my APM wasn't that bad, but I just started watching replays and it averages at 80-90? lol the beginning it's super low and it's low during a lot of stuff, but later on, especially during muta micro and attacking/defending it's like in the 300s.

    I'm platinum btw. Some of the people i play have like sub 40 APM. One guy averaged like 20. But I guess one needs a higher APM in original starcraft vs. starcraft 2 since now a lot more things are automatic.
     
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    From what I've read dave, apm in sc2 is measured in game time, which is quicker than real time? I forget, but anyways, I think your actual apm is higher than shown. Naturally given the updates to the UI a higher apm isn't as necessary as you mentioned but it still helps. Just reminded me too, have you guys seen razer's sc2 gear. It seems really gimmicky and unnecessary and too much $$, but they have a mouse and keyboard that light up and change colors to your apm.
     
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    fundrazer:
    In-game time on "Faster" is...faster. -_-

    "Normal" = 1 second.
     
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    I was referring to the topic discussed in threads such as this one
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=136285

    When it tracks your apm it tracks it via game time which is faster. I don't understand why getbeterer felt the need to quote me regarding it. Basically your actual apm tracked by REALTIME is higher than the apm you are shown which is tracked by game time.
     
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    I'm on a serious win streak off one base muta play. I usually don't expand until after the initial harass/push though. Then mass muta/ling with a few roach/bling is serious stuff.
     
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    It's crazy that Zerg can burrow AND move with upgraded roaches. It's bad enough Zerg can pop Nydus worms anywhere they have sight of. Fortunately in my few human matches I haven't had either of those situations occur.
     
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    I average around 20 APM...LOL I average over 100 APM playing Sins of a Solar Empire, so go figure.
     
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    Nydus worms and burrow actually aren't that common. Nydus worms are hella expensive gas wise and generally fail to work since it is hard to find a place in their base to pop it.

    Burrow is a bit on the pricey side and it's a lair tech, but once you hit lair you are going to be spending all your gas on mutas/hydras/upgrades/tech (basically everything) so sometimes I don't get burrow except for baneling bombs.
     
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    In my last 2v2 game the enemy used 1 Nydus worm on my ally's base. It caught my ally off guard somewhat. I had to help destroy the forces. The Zerg had time to dump another set of forces, but for some odd reason didn't.

    On another subject, I tried to use ghosts to nuke an AI base. But for some reason I can't properly do simultaneous nukes When I have my ghosts evacuate, one always stays. David Kim did nuke bombs in one of his Battle Reports and it was awesome. I guess I need to hotkey or click on each one and press N.
     
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    Any idea if the hybrids are in fact the Xel'naga?
     
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    I'm kinda confused about the whole xel naga thing but I suppose I would assume so.

    I'm starting to play mostly diamonds now and i'm beating them so I think a promotion is in order at some point for multiplayer.
     
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    Soy, we won't know until the trilogy ends, or maybe just the second one if they tell us. ^^
     
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    Finally confident in most of the match-ups. PvZ is my best, then PvP, then PvT which is a little bit shaky for me right now. Reached 730 pts in Diamond, climbing my way up!
     
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    XvT is shaky for anybody except T.

    1220 in diamond right now. I suckcakes :(
     
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    Legit. What race do you play? KR server, right?
     
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    Zerg, yes KR server.

    Over here we call Idra 4snow, and Flash the flattest face in the east.
     
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    i just got promoted to diamond lol.

    idk i struggle vs. good protoss pressure, i can't really expand until i get hydras to reliably beat zealots/stalkers (maybe i should get roaches, but i don't relaly like them and they slow down the tech).

    also terran is of course, generally a nightmare. somehow i get wins though, but i suppose the lower diamonds i've been playing aren't very good.

    ZvZ is my best matchup, I have pretty good game sense on what to do adn stuff.
     
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    time for GSL BABY!
     
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    I finished the campaign. I feel like a man...LOL I won all the missions on normal except for one which was a beeatch. Also did the secret mission. :)
     
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    Which mission was that soy? ^^
     
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    It's the one where Moebius relocates to a planet that is about to burn in flames. I'll get the title in a bit. Stupid Taldarim Protoss you have to fight. I think it's called Supernova.
     
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    I never even used the spectres for some reason. Some of the upgrade choices were of little use.
     
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    What?! They're super-ghosts, wtf soy! AoE stun is one of the best skills in the game!!!

    As for that mission, just make a huge army and keep lifting stuff off and moving them around. Mine out a base and then go to a new one. ^^
     
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    I proudly announce that I'm part of the club now :) Me and my friend got the game so we use one account. The funny thing is, the dude instantly got promoted to Diamond league, so now I have a LOT of catching-up to do :)
     
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    Welcome FlamEnemy! :)
     
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    *spoiler alert spoiler alert*

    The Xel'Naga are the race that created both Protoss and Zerg, after which they vanished. Apparently *some* of them have returned and created the hybrid, which is a whole new race altogether. Not sure how many of the original Xel'Naga besides the so-called "Fallen One" remain though. It's only certain that everyone's in deep **** if not for a certain female character :)
     
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    I'm thinking of trying a reaper rush. After building the 1st barracks, would you build 2-3 more barracks and then load up on them before striking? The concern I'd have is they cost gas. That and they likely need to be speed upgraded before striking, I guess.

    I seem to prefer fortifying my ramps with marines, bunkers and tanks before going with cloaked banshees to strike.
     
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    Reaper Rush build:

    10 Refinery
    11 Barracks
    11 Supply Depot

    Get your first reaper out, mine more (Orbital Command at 15), get Nitro Packs + More Barracks' with Tech. Lab's.
     
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    I SUCK at Reaper micro. Bigtime. I'll focus on more macro-friendly units. LOL
     
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    Another mech.? *Sigh*
     
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    I played co-op yesterday and one guy suggested I not try to turtle so much. I've tried a few games where I'm just building up units (SCVs and army) without bunkers. It can work, but when I'm having to regroup I'm vulnerable without bunkers and turrets. I have noticed my unit production has definitely increased this way, but not necessarily my APM. Hmmm...
     
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    I tried Protoss again. I'm getting a little more familiar. I had to un-terran myself to learn some of the complexities of this race. I may need to play a good 10-15 practice matches vs ai before I would dare play it against a human. Protoss are so slow at generating units. I can see why protoss players often build up so many gateways. The warpgate feature is nice, though I'm not a great micro-manager.

    I might try to pull out a Mothership next time.
     
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    They come from Gamestop, and from not having played SC1. That's where.

    Also, Protoss are small, but strong, which is why they're scary in large numbers.
     
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    ^^^ I had to watch that match twice. I'm no genius, but that Protoss player could have won this game TWICE despite only playing with one warpgate the whole game (destroyed the expansion but left the hydra's den alone, earlier attacked the main base instead of the expansion). The zerg seemed to be the better player, but was too stuck up on building larvae and trying out fancy building for no real reason. With an army of hydralisks that the zerg had I find it mind-boggling the zerg didn't win. Just a crazy noob match, I guess.
     
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    I'm hesitant to play the placement matches. Played one and the guy killed me with void rays. Then again that was a few weeks ago and I've learned much since then. I'm just playing 3 vs AI co-op on medium just to test my build times and unit placement.

    I like raiding with banshees, but I wonder if Vikings would be as effective. Since I can't manage reapers, maybe ghosts with nukes would be better??
     
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    check out teamliquid for strategies.

    void rays can be tough, but if you can scout it out, you should be able to do a good push against the toss before the rays pop and get the kill.

    if you see something suspicious like few units, fast gas, etc. you should start pumping rines and also look to make a rauder push as well.
     
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    As soon as I get a chance, I'll get on and help you out soy, I promise. I keep all my promises.
     
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    SC II is coming out with a 1.1 patch. While it tries to balance the game, this patch definitely weakens Terran:

     
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    Technically it's a Zerg buff, by weakening the other two. ^^ Here are some leaked details that may or may not be true (they sound very true though):

    bleen: (that's his username on TeamLiquid.net)
     

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