Starting cross using starting knot with flying clamps

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  1. mongting

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    I just bought a used Alpha dropweight stringing machine. It looks like this Eagnas machine. Linear gripper and 6 point mount.
    http://www.eagnas.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=23_30&products_id=206&osCsid=c3308d58c454aaad387311886e8f99a8

    I started stringing for my APDGT racket.

    I don't have starting clamp. So, for starting main, I used the YULitle's method.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO9qWaom4cg&fmt=18

    But I couldn't find a movie or instruction about how to start cross using starting knot with flying clamps. YULitle uploaded a video for that using fixed clamps.

    Also, I need to string Prince Exo3 racket later. Do I have to buy starting clamp for 50-50 method with flying clamps?
     
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  2. Irvin

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    You don't have to buy a starting clamp but it makes like much easier. If you use a starting knot you will have to double pull the top two crosses if you are using flying clamps.

    EDIT: The double pull is the simplest method you don't really have to do it that way.
     
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  3. KerryR

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    What other way is there when using flyers?
     
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  4. Irvin

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    If you are not using hybrid string you could use an ATW pattern. Use the short side to run in the top cross and the long side to run the second cross. Tension the second cross and while pulling on the top cross with your hand clamp the second cross to the first.

    If you are using hybrid stringing your could start your cross with the second and third cross. Clamp the two close to the frame on the loop side between the second and third cross. Run in the top cross and double pull the first and second cross and clamp next to the other clamp. Tension the third cross and move the first clamp over. When you finish the crosses tension the top cross and move the clamp down to the second and third cross then tension the top two crosses individually.
     
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  5. KerryR

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    Cool. Thanks for that. Double pulling the first cross always bothered me a little.
     
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  6. olliess

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    Is there some reason why you would not want to do this, since you can go back and retension the first cross anyway?
     
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  7. KerryR

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    Well, it's difficult to ensure tension is applied to both strings equally if you start with a double pull, which I am here defining as threading 1 & 2, pulling 2 to tension both 1 & 2 (as opposes to pulling 2 strings at the same time with 2 strings in the tensioner, often used when setting the first clamp when starting mains)

    If you start with a starting knot, as per the thread title, you can't go back and pull tension on the first cross later...

    I don't actually worry about the double pull when using a starting knot that much. Mostly, I was just curious about what other solutions there are when a starting knot is used.
     
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  8. olliess

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    I agree that the double pull doesn't work very consistently, especially for the crosses which are woven though your mains. What I was asking is, why use the starting knot at all? How about using the YULitle method for your crosses as for your mains?
     
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  9. KerryR

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    I'm attracted to the simplicity of starting knots even IF I'm a little distracted by the double pull.

    I really don't worry about the double pull. Maybe I should.

    I suspect it's largely a non-issue; I don't think John Eliot would use it in JET (with flyers) for starting both crosses and mains if his players found his string jobs ineffective.
     
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