Stats for 1986 W Final(Becker-Lendl)

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  1. Moose Malloy

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    Becker d. Lendl 6-4, 6-3, 7-5

    Becker served at 53%(52 of 98)
    Lendl served at 52%(42 of 81)

    Becker won 42 of 52 pts on 1st serve(81%)
    He won 23 of 46 on 2nd(50%)

    Lendl won 32 of 42 pts on 1st serve(76%)
    He won 20 of 39 on 2nd(51%)

    serve % by set
    Becker 42, 70, 50
    Lendl 52, 46, 57

    Becker had 25 non service winners(4 fh, 8 bh, 7 fhv, 2 bhv, 4 ov)
    Lendl had 33(7 fh, 10 bh, 8 fhv, 5 bhv, 3 ov)

    Becker had 11 passing shot winners(3 fh, 8 bh)
    Lendl had 15(7 fh, 8 bh)

    Becker had 14 aces(one on 2nd serve), 7 df's
    Lendl had 6 aces(2 on 2nd serve), 6 df's

    Becker had 25 unreturned serves, 7 I judged service winners
    Lendl had 24, 4 were service winners

    Becker was 5 of 9 on break points
    Lendl was 2 of 9(he was up a break in the 1st & 3rd sets)

    Becker made 1st serves on 4 of the 9 break points
    Lendl made 1st serves on 5 of 9

    Becker won 94 pts, Lendl 85

    NBC stats:

    after one set
    Lendl 13 winners, 5 unforced errors
    Becker 13 winners, 4 unforced errors

    after 2 sets
    Lendl 25 winners, 10 unforced
    Becker 29 winners, 6 unforced

    Dick Enberg said Becker had been broken only 4 times in his previous 6 matches, Lendl 6 times.

    Coming into the final he said Becker had 91 aces, 44 df's. Lendl had 53 aces, 26 df's. With the 14 aces I counted in the final, Becker's ace total for the tournament was 105. I always assumed that Sampras at the '90 USO was the first player to have 100 aces in a tournament. I wonder what Becker's ace total was for 1985 Wimbledon(per NBC, Becker only had 89 at '89 Wimbledon)

    Felt bad this didn't go 4 or 5 sets, Lendl played at a really high level throughout (great passing shots, really solid at net) while Becker started out slow(served at 42% in the 1st set)

    Lendl hit 3 clean winners to get to 0-40 with Becker serving at 4-5 in the 3rd set. Becker only made one first serve on those set points, & Lendl had good looks at passing shots.

    here is that game:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHWc6Mx96mo&feature=related
     
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  2. krosero

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    Published stats

    Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

    New York Times:

    South Florida Sun-Sentinel:

    Reading Eagle:

    The Eagle reported that Lendl served at 53%. For Becker:

     
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  3. krosero

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    The Associated Press had a little more on the 156 mph reading:

     
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  4. krosero

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    A narrow margin.

    So Moose you've got each man hitting 39 clean winners/aces.

    That comes to 78 winners/aces out of 179 points, a VERY HIGH rate of 44%. It's among the highest in all our stats.

    Their '89 semifinal at Wimbledon (the five-setter) also was 44%.

    Which I think illustrates that even on Lendl's weakest surface his performance was high and it took a very high level of play to beat him, in the late 80s.
     
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  5. msunderland71

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    Why is Andy Roddick credited as the fastest server ever at 155 mph? Guessing the records measured with modern equipment are kept separate.

     
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    Its one of the best matches Boris ever played.Its very underrated as the match against Edberg in Stockholm in 90 where he lost only 8 points on serve when demolishing Edberg 64 60 63
     
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  7. krosero

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    The Associated Press names Becker's coach as the source for the reading. If he was the only source -- I don't know if that's the case, but if so -- then it leaves a lot of questions. Where was the reading taken? A tournament? An exo? a private match or practice session with a radar gun?
     
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    Yes, jumping from 130 to 156 mph in one year does seem hard to believe. Although I'm sure Boris did serve a little faster as he grew bigger.
     
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  9. krosero

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    So still nothing remarkable for Becker in that stat. These were the others I posted before:

    1987 Davis Cup vs. Mac, made his first serve on 10 of 17 break points
    1989 Wimbledon SF vs. Lendl, 0 of 6
    1989 USO final vs. Lendl, 6 of 11
    1989 Davis Cup vs. Edberg, 1 of 2
    1989 Davis Cup vs. Wilander, 2 of 3
    1995 Wimbledon SF vs. Agassi, 9 of 14
    1995 Wimbledon final vs. Sampras, 9 of 16
    1996 YEC round-robin vs. Sampras, 6 of 10

    The most remarkable one is 0 of 6 against Lendl. In our stats I've seen people who went 0 for 2, or 0 for 3, of course. That's no so uncommon. But I've got nothing like 0 of 6.

    I think that stat, maybe, shows how rattled Becker was by Lendl in that '89 match.
     
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  10. Moose Malloy

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    ^my stats on Becker for the '88 W SF(missing his 1st service game which he got broken in)

    made 1st serve on 3 of 7 break points.
     
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    LOL. Please undertand that this "record" is absolutely meaningless. There is simply no way to know what the fastest serve has been, even among the small percentage of "recorded" serves.
     
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  12. Moose Malloy

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    was just watching the '79 USO SF(Gerulaitis-Tanner)
    Commentator Pat Summerall mentioned there was a fast serve contest that year that Colin Dibley won, with a 153 mph serve.
     
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  13. krosero

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    Just found a report that Curren came into the '85 final with 75 aces (Reading Eagle). So with 19 aces in the final he got to 94 that year.
     
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    That's hilarious. Becker's coach carried a personal radar gun which he brought to every match and practice session. :)
     
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    I remember that game so well.

    That, I think, is as close as Lendl got to the Wimbledon title. I felt Lendl was playing better tennis in the third set, and if he could have taken any one of those three points, the match could have pivoted about it.
    In '89, the rain delay ruined his chance to make it to the Final, but Edberg was still in his way. Becker was decidedly more experienced here than '85, but developed that swagger on turf after this tournament.
    In '86, Cash was unstoppable in the Final.
    Thanks for posting that video. Good memories 25 years later...
     
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  16. Moose Malloy

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    here are some stats on Becker's SF

    Becker d Leconte 6-2, 6-4, 6-7(4), 6-3

    Becker won 129 pts, Leconte 101

    Becker served at 60%(69 of 115)
    Leconte served at 53%(61 of 115)

    Becker won 58 of 69 pts on 1st serve(84%)
    He won 28 of 46 on 2nd(61%)

    Leconte won 43 of 61 pts on 1st serve(70%)
    He won 29 of 54 on 2nd(54%)

    Becker had 37 non service winners: 9 fh, 11 bh, 9 fhv, 7 bhv, 1 ov
    Leconte had 30: 6 fh, 4 bh, 7 fhv, 6 bhv, 7 ov

    Becker had 13 aces, 8 df's
    Leconte had 11 aces, 7 df's

    Becker had 45 unreturned serves, 15 I judged service winners
    Leconte had 30, 6 I judged service winners

    Becker was 4 of 6 on break points
    Leconte was 0 of 1

    There were no breaks in the 3rd set.
     
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  17. Moose Malloy

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    some stats on Becker's QF:

    Becker d. Mecir 6-4, 6-2, 7-6(5)

    Becker won 114 pts, Mecir 97

    Becker served at 51%(48 of 94)
    Mecir served at 67%(78 of 117)

    Becker won 41 of 48 pts on 1st serve(85%)
    He won 24 of 46 on 2nd(52%)

    Mecir won 53 of 78 pts on 1st serve(68%)
    He won 15 of 39 on 2nd(38%)

    Becker had 30 non service winners: 7 fh, 11 bh, 3 fhv, 6 bhv, 3 ov
    Mecir had 33: 8 fh, 7 bh, 9 fhv, 8 bhv, 1 ov

    Becker had 12 aces(one on 2nd serve), 7 df's
    Mecir had 6 aces, 5 df's

    Becker had 29 unreturned serves(13 on 2nd serve)
    Mecir had 27(5 on 2nd serve)

    Becker was 4 of 9 on break points(Mecir made 1st serves on 7 of them)
    Mecir was 1 of 3(Becker made no 1st serves on them)

    There were no breaks in the 3rd set.

    Net pts
    Becker: 49-72(62%)
    Mecir: 45-76(59%)

    Thought it was interesting in Becker's last 3 matches at Wimbledon this year, 2 of his opponents had more non service winners than he did. And that he had more bh than fh winners in all 3 matches.

    He saved 10 of the 13 break points he faced in these 3 matches.

    Serve %'s in his last 3 matches: 51, 60, 53
     
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  18. kiki

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    Best Wimbledon tourney Bóris played so far
     
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  19. Moose Malloy

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    This match was added to youtube recently
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv_23d11nmo

    Boris says it is the best match of his career in the post match interview
     
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