Stats for 1991 USO Final (Edberg-Courier)

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  1. Moose Malloy

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    Edberg d Courier 62,64,60

    My stats:

    Edberg had 31 non service winners: 4 fh, 2 bh, 11 fhv, 7 bhv, 7 ov
    Courier had 15: 9 fh, 5 bh, 1 bhv

    Edberg had 16 unreturned serves, 1 of which I judged a service winner.
    Courier had 8 unreturned serves, none of which I judged a service winner.

    I counted 3 aces, 1 double for Edberg, but the atp site has him at 2 aces.
    But my numbers for Courier are the same as theirs (3 aces, 4 doubles)

    ATP site has Edberg as 60% 1st serves for the match, which surprised me, I recall CBS flashing a graphic early in the 2nd that had Edberg at only 39%(I didn't do serve %'s for this match)

    Edberg had 2 passing shot winners, Courier had 7.

    Edberg was 6 of 14 on break points, Courier 0 for 3.
     
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  2. krosero

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    The Associated Press:

    St. Petersburg Times:

    A boxscore printed in USA Today:

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    The ATP has some different numbers:

    2 aces for Edberg
    First-serve %: Edberg 60 and Courier 65
    % won on first serve: Edberg 82 and Courier 55
    Points won by Courier: 59
    Time of match: 2:04
     
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  3. Lendl and Federer Fan

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    I remember at his peak, Edberg used to own Sampras, Courier and Chang. I don't think Sampras has a winning record against Edberg. A very knowledgeable tennis fan of mine has great respect for Edberg's personality and his game. :)
     
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  4. andreh

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    Actually, Edberg - Sampras 6-8

    But Edberg has 2-0 in GS play.
     
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    I already stated I enjoyed Edbergs style of play and maneers. True gentleman and champion.
     
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    Exactly! Novak has a lot to learn from Edberg, doesn't he? ;-):wink::)
     
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    Lucky for Pete Sampras that he didn't have to face players like Edberg and Becker that much in GS, otherwise he would have far less than 14 GS titles. :wink::lol:
     
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    After Edberg, how was Pete Sampras' GS record against other player like Patrick Rafter who won 93 and 94 (or other 2 straight years?) USO (Edberg did it in 91 &92)? :confused:
     
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  9. Moose Malloy

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    here's an article I came across:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1991-09-09/sports/sp-1465_1_grand-slam-title
     
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    So this implies that the "Winners" in the USA Today boxscore do not include service while the Unforced Errors include the double-faults.
     
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  11. bluetrain4

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    I think 6-8 is a pretty good record vs. Sampras. While, their absolute primes didn't overlap, Sampras was already a Slam champion when Edberg beat him the 1992 USO final, so they were both at a very high level.

    That was Edberg's highlight win over Courier. He lost two subsequent AO (1992 and 1993) finals and Wimbledon semi to Courier, all in 4 sets, and I think Courier has the 6-4 edge in the rivalry.
     
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  12. kiki

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    Remember vividly that match.Edberg was awesome in 1991-1992.
     
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  13. mental midget

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    yeah man, definitely. he was smoothandhonorablebestclass before federer ever hit the scene.
     
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    I´d really like to know how a swede, learning tennis during the Borg´s days, focused on S&V.Anybody knows the reason ? after all, the Nystrom,Sundstrom,Pernfors,Wilander,Gustaffson were all Borgites...
     
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    i read an interview where he said it was just how he liked to play-he was well aware it was a break from tradition, but it was how he preferred to play the game. simple as that.
     
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    I was rooting for Courier to win and was pissed when Edberg beat him. But justice was served when Courier returned the favor in the next slam, beating Edberg in the final of the Australian Open 1992 :)
     
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  17. kiki

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    This is quite an interesting rivalry: Edberg vs Courier.Not so flashy or noisy as the Sampras vs Agassi or Sampras vs Becker, but a great contrast of styles, and two quiet, somehow shy players with a great menthality and professionalism.S&V vs Big Groundies.They played in every GS contest, except may be the FO.I think Courier won at the AO and Wimbledon, while Edberg won at the US Open.Probably, the Wim victory was the most unexpected for Jim.
     
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  18. Devilito

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    i remember that. I think Jim got a huge amount of confidence after watching Andre win the year before and realizing it's possible to win on grass as a baseliner if you make small adjustments. Plus at the time Jim was a better player. He played great that year at Wimbledon and had a real shot against Pete.
     
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  19. Moose Malloy

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    Courier came in a lot more than Andre though, he was S&Ving on majority of 1st serves at '93 W. His returning was pretty amazing, it was like batting practice vs Edberg in the semis(a match no one picked him to win) so many return winners that day.
     
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  20. Devilito

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    yeah, he had a better serve and volleys than Andre by a long shot. It definitely worked for him that year
     
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    During his peak, for 2-3 years, Courier was beating the hell out of everybody.I remember he even beat Sampras at the USO and almost beat Becker in Boris favourite turf, the indoor arena of Frankfurt (ATP Finals).He beat Edberg on most of their GS matches and beat Agassi at RG.

    Somewhat, his style of play was pretty demanding and, after those years, faded away and only seemed motivated against Pete.I think he got quite tired of top tennis stress and had other interests ( probably his french girlfirend had something to see).
     
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