Stats for Noah-Vilas (1986 TC final)

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  1. krosero

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    Noah d. Vilas, 1986 Tournament of Champions final, 7-6 (3), 6-0

    Noah was 25, Vilas 33.

    Vilas' serve here looks different than in the 1982 RG final. There he was still leaning forward into it; here it's almost a vertical jump up to the ball.

    Arthur Ashe and Barry McKay called the match for ABC.

    Ashe (who discovered Noah in Camaroon) said that Vilas led the rivalry 8-1 and that he had not been in a final in 3 years.

    According to the current ATP stats, this was their last meeting, and it left Vilas up by 9-2. Their only Slam meetings occurred at Roland Garros, with Vilas winning in 1978, 1981 and 1982.

    Ashe put Noah’s serve above Becker’s and behind McEnroe’s. There is no service motion I enjoy watching more than Noah’s.

    Ashe said:

    The following are my own stats. Note: one point won by Noah on his serve is missing.

    I have Noah at 9 aces, Vilas at 1, in sync with ABC’s running count.

    (Vilas made the only double of the match).

    Noah hit 21 winners: 1 FH, 1 BH, 11 FHV, 6 BHV, and 2 overheads.

    Vilas hit 19 winners: 6 FH, 8 BH, 1 FHV, 2 BHV, and 2 overheads.

    Noah made no return winners, and had 1 pass off each wing.

    Vilas made 2 return winners off each wing. All were passes. On top of those he had 8 passes – five from the backhand.

    Neither man had a lob winner.


    Stats by ABC (statistician was John Gibbs):

    In the first set, Noah served at 64%, Vilas at 82%. Noah had 5 aces, Vilas 1. Neither had double-faults. Noah had 15 winners, Vilas 17. Noah had 9 unforced errors, Vilas 6.

    So it looks like ABC was not counting service in the winner totals. And they gave Noah 1 less winner, and Vilas 3 more, than I did.

    I proofed my work so I can't explain the discrepancy.
     
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  2. Moose Malloy

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    I did stats on this match as well & was also confused by ABC's stats. Also, their nets stats were vey different from mine.
     
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    My net stats lined up closely with theirs but I can't find my notes on it (including the totals).

    How many winners did you get?
     
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    Thanks for stats.
    Lucio.
     
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  5. Moose Malloy

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    These were my stats(but I didn't proof them)

    I had Noah at 20 winners: 1 fh, 1 bh, 10 fhv, 7 bhv, 1 ov

    Have Vilas at 19: 6 fh, 8 bh, 1 fhv, 2 bhv, 2 ov

    My return winner stats line up with yours(I didn't count passes)

    I also have the same counts for aces/doubles.

    Do you have stats by set? I have Noah at 8 fhv's for the 1st set & 6 bhv's. For the 2nd I have 2 fhv's, 1 bhv's.

    I have Noah at 16 winners for the 1st set.

    I had Noah at 28 of 46 at net for the 1st set.

    Had him at 8 of 15 in the 2nd set. ABC had much lower numbers, if I recall correctly.

    My serve stats: Noah was 46 of 64 or 72%
    Vilas was 51 of 62 or 82%
     
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  6. krosero

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    My breakdown for Vilas is the same as yours, and I have the same first-set winners for Noah. In the second set I've got no BHV's and you have 1; I'll bet that's because I marked down one of Noah's leaping backhand volleys as an overhead instead of a volley (it's in the last game). That's actually something I haven't done generally but his leap was so athletic, to me it was more smash than volley. :)

    I've got one more FHV than you in the second set: one in his penultimate service game and two in the last.

    I've found my net-stats, though only for the first set (maybe I never did the second). I put Noah at 23 of 42.

    Didn't find any notes on how I counted.

    Nice to have the service percentages, BTW.
     
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  8. kiki

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    Vilas lost to Noah their 81 match.Noah would lose the next match to Victor Pecci at the quarters.Pecci had also straight setted Vilas a week earlier at the Rome semis ( played best of five)
     
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