Stosur: Big Forehand

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Conquistador, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. Conquistador

    Conquistador Banned

    Sep 5, 2008
    I was watching the stosur-pennetta match, and WOW does Stosur have a huge forehand. I just see her climbing up the ranks and becoming world number 1 someday. I was impressed
  2. Bilbo

    Bilbo Semi-Pro

    Jun 10, 2009
    i dont kno about forehand... but the girl is RIPPED UP! I mean she has muscles rippling in the weirdest places lol...
  3. darthpwner

    darthpwner Banned

    Jul 24, 2008
    stosur plays like a man like the williams sisters
  4. FedFan_2009

    FedFan_2009 Banned

    Jun 23, 2009
    Cylon Base Ship
    She has a bigger forehand then Leyton. Bigger biceps too.
  5. tata

    tata Professional

    Apr 3, 2008
    Isnt she one of the players that has a rather spinny first serve than a flat one? Ive seen her play before and it SEEMS her first serve is more about overwhelming you with spin than pace.I believe she also likes to punish and rip cold winners off 2nd serves.
  6. JeMar

    JeMar Legend

    Jul 29, 2008
    Never gonna happen. She's already in her mid-20s.
  7. Bud

    Bud Bionic Poster

    Jul 23, 2007
    San Diego, CA
    I think she'll go top 10 and stay there for awhile. I don't see her in the top 5... unless it's just briefly.

    She has an excellent serve, FH and BH slice. Most of her issues seem mental.
  8. Jonny S&V

    Jonny S&V Hall of Fame

    Apr 28, 2006
    Northern MO
    Williams sisters don't play like men, they are just built like them in some ways, they hit too flat. Stosur plays like a man, heavy topspin mixed with pace. Pat McEnroe/Brad Gilbert/Luke Jensen must be tickled that women playing a man's game is starting to climb the rankings.
  9. christo

    christo Hall of Fame

    Feb 20, 2004
    as long as she doesn't stand up to pee it's ok
  10. フェデラー

    フェデラー Hall of Fame

    Jun 12, 2009
    she is on steroids thats why.
  11. tiebraek

    tiebraek New User

    Aug 11, 2008
    I thought Santoro played like a woman...or Beck's serve reminds me of a woman serve...tsk.tsk..

    I'd say that Stosur(and Williams Sis) has as good and powerful groundstrokes and serves as the men do!
  12. audioaffliction

    audioaffliction Semi-Pro

    Mar 2, 2004
    SF Bay Area
    Stosur's game does remind me of the men's game in many ways. And her forehand is great when she's in the ad court. She needs to work on her movement when going to the deuce court--whenever a heavy ball is hit to that side, she gets to it late and often has to slice a forehand back, which results in her opponent taking over the point.
  13. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

    Oct 1, 2005
    She also likes women, just like men.
  14. sheets

    sheets Rookie

    Feb 15, 2009
    Her forehand is refreshing to see. Not a pure flat power shot but a very heavy powerfully stuck ball that even when it lands short (which happens perhaps a tad too often) it kicks up nice and high and through the court. Her serve is also interesting. Lots of spin and angles, wicked second serve delivery which is unusual to see these days in the WTA.
    The biggest issue she has is her topspin backhand i think. She seemed to mistime it a fair amount and make more errors off that wing, but its still hit with a good amount of spin and pace. Also has a pretty nice slice bit the court nicely could curve it with side spin. I noticed she uses it to draw people in to the net like federer though his is far more effective.
    She's in great shape and though not graceful can cover court. It'll be interesting to see how well she does at the U.S. open where her forehand and serve should flourish.
  15. dropshot winner

    dropshot winner Hall of Fame

    Aug 10, 2009
    I saw her play recently, and here forehand is really big, but inconsistent.

    She's one of the few female players with a good kick serve and slice.
  16. corners

    corners Legend

    Jul 31, 2008
    She is really ripping it tonight against Henin. Both of these ladies seem to have emulated Federer/Nadal to maximize the whip and resultant racquet speed with their pronated takebacks. Evolution of the game right before our eyes.
  17. jodd

    jodd New User

    Dec 6, 2009
    ditto to the previous post.

    the spin/pace combo really seemed to cause problems for henin's backhand.

    i always hear people talk about how flat the women's strokes are...the women have plenty of spin, it's just rare to find someone who can hit spin with pace like stosur or even henin (think of schnyder...lots of spin, slowish balls). why is it that this is the case for the women's tour? or is it really quite similar on the men's tour?
  18. dropshot winner

    dropshot winner Hall of Fame

    Aug 10, 2009
    Hiting hard, spinny balls takes a lot of strength, just look at the the arms of Stosur and Nadal.
  19. jerriy

    jerriy Hall of Fame

    May 10, 2010
    Yup, that's strength. And Stosur is not shrieking or even huffing when she hits it (unlike the usual WTAers and even Nadal)
    Last edited: May 31, 2010
  20. Maestro Nalbandian

    Maestro Nalbandian Professional

    Nov 15, 2007
    I must say I like her style, it was quite enjoyable watching her unloading those forehands.
  21. corners

    corners Legend

    Jul 31, 2008
    Have you read the poster tricky's posts about the difference between ATP-pull and WTA-push style forehands? Tricky holds that the WTA-push style relies more on linear weight transfer (classic style) and is somehwat limited in terms of the amount of hand/arm rotation, and thus spin, available. The ATP-pull (aka modern windshield-wiper, aka "Millenium forehand") style relies more on torso rotation and allows for a heavier ball due to increased wiper action.

    Justin switched to the ATP-pull style years ago by studying film of Agassi, and some have noticed that she's comeback to the tour with a further refinement: the pronated takeback, "slingshot" variation used by Federer and Nadal.

    Do an advanced search with "tricky" as author and "forehand" as the subject and you'll find lots of interesting stuff on this. Pretty esoteric from a mechanical perspective but fascinating if you're interested in forehand optimization.

    I don't know what kind of forehand Stosur had previously, but right now it looks to me that she is using an ATP-pull style with a very low and abbreviated pronated takeback (the racquet face is closed all the way though the backswing), also with the "slingshot". Yesterday it looked like she was able, with this very abbreviated takeback, to really whip the ball with pace and spin with little time needed to setup. All she had to do was arrive, unit turn and swing.

    The very low takeback (racquet tip below shoulder) is actually reminiscent of Rod Laver's own slingshot, but while he used a continental grip, Stosur is using semi-western. As Jerriy remarked above, she also seemed to expend little effort hitting this potent shot, which is also a feature of the "slingshot" style, according to tricky.

    If you go back and look at footage of Federer hitting forehands from pre-2007, especially pre-2005, you'll notice he used the "slingshot" less than now, instead, he really launched his body at the ball - a bit more like Djokovic, though their mechanics are different. Nowadays, his backswing is tighter and more compact and he slingshots nearly every forehand. Doing so, his lower body seems much quieter and his movements less violent and dramatic. Stosur doesn't have the same elegance when she hits the shot, but you can see that she is also able to get tremendous racquet head speed by relying on the stretch-shortening mechanism rather than big lower-body explosions.

    Many people have said that the "slingshot" style of Federer and Nadal is too difficult to emulate as it is assumed that is is very difficult to time correctly. Certainly, Fed's shanks could be evidence for this, but Stosur seems to be timing it beautifully right now, and I don't think many people believe she has the natural talent and otherworldly timing of those two guys.

    I don't know how much her obvious strength has to do with her ability to hit this style of forehand, and clearly Justine is extremely strong for her size as well - so who knows if this will spread - but it's very cool to see this type of zinging pace and spin in the women's game.
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2010
  22. Sentinel

    Sentinel Bionic Poster

    Jan 21, 2008
    The Dark Side of Earth's second Moon
    She has confirmed she is not gay. There was a thread on that once, perhaps deleted. She certainly does look like she's on steroids - maybe that's what gives her the manly look.

    I thought Conquistador was back, and came in happy :-D

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