Strange? Nadal's absence from the game.

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  1. effortless

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    Does anyone else find Nadal's absence from the game strange?

    I'm not a Nadal fan and i don't know everything about what happened in depth. So sorry if i get some of the details wrong. I do respect Nadal though.

    From what i remember no one really had a clue that Nadal had major knee issues when he exited wimbledon. He had only just won the french open and then chose to play Halle, which wouldn't be typical of someone who needs a rest. He seemed to be playing at a reasonable level at wimbledon. Sure he might have seemed a little flat but it was only early stages of the tournament and people expected him to get better with time. The commentators (people's opinions i respect) did not comment on Nadal's movement at all.

    After wimbledon we assume his tendonitis flared up a bit and maybe caused a slight decrease in performance that was barely perceptible. His injury begins to last longer and longer, seemingly increasing in severity over time. Starting as a minor tendonitis issue progressing to Hoffa's syndrome and who knows what now. How does your injury get worse overtime when you are supposedly resting?

    I just feel like we are not being told the true story about Nadal's situation. It's just a hunch and as i said i am absolutely not a nadal expert. I am sure that Nadal has a good reason to be taking time off though.

    What are people's opinions? Anyone got any theories/conspiracies?
     
  2. Bartelby

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    Nadal's absence just sucks all the air out of the room.
     
  3. tusharlovesrafa

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    Nadal's absence makes Fed look greater.
     
  4. effortless

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    come on... some more elaboration?
     
  5. BHud

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    Fed doesn't need Nadal to look greater...
     
  6. mary fierce

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    I find nothing strange about an injured athlete being absent from the game. I find your paranoia about it fascinating. Are you married? Have you accused your spouse of infidelity?
     
  7. sureshs

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    100% correct. If Nadal was not injured, Fed would not have won Wimbledon or the Olympics medal.
     
  8. sunof tennis

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    Really. A new poster and you can't control yourself enough to avoid accusing him of being paronoid and inquiring regarding whether his spouse is guilty of marital infidelity?
    Now, to answer the actual question, while the reports coming from Nadal's camp have been sketchy and, at times inconsistent, it does appear that Nadal's knee problems are nothing really new, and given his history and game, not surprising. Nadal has struggled for years, on and off, with knee issues. He has a degenerative condition in his knees, which by the very nature of the condition will cause intermittent pain and discomfort.
    The suspicion of something else, is caused by two things, one is a dislike of Nadal on the part of some posters here and, again, the inconsistent reports coming from the Nadal camp.
     
  9. DropShotArtist

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    True, it's too bad he got caught.
     
  10. Mike Sams

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    Nadal could not beat Lucas Rosol that day. Nadal's never been a strong performer in the first week of Wimbledon and has always been ripe for an upset. Nothing to do with luck or injury. Remember the 2 back to back 5 set matches in 2010 Wimbledon? Nadal pulled a bogus time out and got coached just to survive that 5 setter. Typical Nad! :lol:
     
  11. RF20Lennon

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    LOL another nadal thread....
     
  12. Mike Sams

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    Nadal also still hasn't figured out how to beat a sub-par Djokovic off clay. Let's not even talk about a healthy in-form Djokovic whom Nadal has no chance to beat on hardcourts.
     
  13. RF20Lennon

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    Lol nadal hasn't figured out when he can next touch a tennis racket this is faaaaar off
     
  14. Clarky21

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    Check the sign up dates and you will see he/she was here long before you were.
     
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    I fired up the BBC iPlayer and watched the Nadal v Rosol match in full yesterday and my thoughts were that Nadal seemed somewhat 'off' from the get go. There were so many FH errors which was uncharacteristic, he also slipped several times and looked like he was injured on a few occasions.

    You have to credit Rosol also for playing the match of his life, he played a brand of first strike tennis which didn't give Rafa time to settle into the rally at all and was blasted off the court. The Czech was fearless, hit the ball so flat and everything just stayed in and served like a beast. To me, this was worse that the beating he took by Soderling and Delpo in '09.

    There's something missing not having Rafa on the tour but I guess this gives others a chance to step up (Murray), I hope he comes back strong in 2013 to keep Roger/Nole/Murray honest.

    Not seeing Rafa and Fed in a slam SF for the first time in a while was strange but this is a prelude of things to come as these 2 won't be around forever.
     
  16. cknobman

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    Tennis seems to be going along just fine without him.

    In fact ATP stats show match times are down 15% since Wimbledon :)
     
  17. RF20Lennon

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    LOOOOOL!!!! :lol:
     
  18. Mike Sams

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    Funny how Nadal suddenly got "injured" as soon as he came off clay. :lol:
    Typical *******s making excuses because their hero got bounced by a #100 ranked player.
     
  19. Mike Sams

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    Nadal losing in the first week of Wimbledon isn't that big of a shocker. Look back all the way to 2005 and see just how much he has struggled at Wimbledon. 2005, 2006, 2007...he was either on the verge of getting bounced or in a 5 set war.
    2010...same thing. Back to back 5 set matches. Cheated to win.
    2011...not his fault as he and the rest of the tour had few answers for the rise of Djokovic 2.0
     
  20. RF20Lennon

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    I agree with everything but how did he cheat? Lol
     
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    Mike Shams doesn't know what he's talking about. You're wasting your time on him,especially if you expect him to be fair about anything related to Nadal.
     
  22. Mike Sams

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    Did you not ever see the Nadal/Petzschener match? Petz was up 2 sets to 1. Nadal took an MTO for a BOGUS knee rub down before Petz was to serve. Nadal came out like nothing was wrong and Petz's game went to hell.

    “I cannot say this. You have to ask him what it was. But I didn’t feel any difference afterwards or before. So he was ‑‑ I thought he was moving great. I only could say if I would be injured like this once I would be happy. No, but I don’t know. Maybe he had something. Maybe it was just a clever part to take a timeout there.
    “I don’t assume that he didn’t had anything, that there was just a timeout for no reason. I mean, you know that he has problems with his knee all the time. I think he got treatment for his knee again. So I don’t assume that he just did to break my rhythm. But that’s what happened, and that’s mostly my fault. Yeah, that’s what I have to work on.”
    -Petzschner

    Nadal ALSO tried to cheat against Rosol. Clearly delaying time between points on Rosol's serve, bodychecking Rosol during changeover when Nadal went down a break in the 3rd set, claiming he wasn't ready after Rosol hit an ace and robbing Rosol of a point.
    Yes, Nadal IS a cheater and blatant one at that.
     
  23. Mike Sams

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    Yes, this coming from the person constantly spewing "Rafa is garbage and will never win anything ever again!" :lol:
     
  24. RF20Lennon

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    Yeah the Rosol match he clearly was trying to delay it but yeah I couldn't catch the full petschner match didn't know that!!
     
  25. NDFM

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    Didn't petzchner also take a medical timeout in the match or do you just choose to forget that? If a tennis player feels something is wrong with them they are entitled to take a MTO, it may turn out to be nothing serious but it's there to reassure them.
     
  26. Mike Sams

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    The rules are abused CONSTANTLY by Nadal. It's no different to the crap that Djokovic displayed against Murray. These young players have made a mockery of the time-out system and use it to their advantage. It's very clear they are not going to fall over and die just from playing a tennis match. We know very well they did not need to use the MTO rules for injuries. They used the MTOs for anything but their injuries. Nadal has a history of doing this. He deserves no benefit of the doubt, especially after the blatant cheating in the Rosol match.
    He CLEARLY was trying to stop Rosol's momentum! It's all there, clear as crystal on tv. No Nadal fan can deny Nadal's shady tactics in that match, especially with his constant delay of time inbetween serves. Not just his own serve but Rosol's too who is standing there for 10 seconds waiting to serve while Nadal is walking around trying to stall.
    Add in Nadal bodychecking Rosol during changeover and you see Nadal's true colours.
     
  27. Mike Sams

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    Well now you know. *******s will try to brush it off as if it's all legal and within the rules but we all know better. I guess Djokovic taking his time-out right before Murray was to serve out the match in the USO final was also all well and good too right, considering it's within the rules? :roll:
     
  28. Mike Sams

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    It's also funny seeing Nadal whine and moan about his injuries in the Slams. Nadal says "I cracked my knee while sitting on a chair" right before the AO. *******s are like "Rafa is such a warrior to play despite his injuries!" :lol:
    Nadal takes an MTO in the Del Potro match at Wimbledon thinking he's cracked his foot. X-ray shows again he's just a whiner trying to get sympathy. *******s lap it all up. :lol:
     
  29. Murrayfan31

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    Second offense from Nadal. Longer ban this time compared to 2009. :)
     
  30. NDFM

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    if a player loses all their momentum after their opponent has taken a MTO then that player needs to really look at themselves becuase that shouldn't happen, they only have themselves to blame. You do make it seem that whenever nadal/djokovic take a MTO they are cheating they both have a history with injuries (and allergies in djokovic's case) so if they feel something wrong with them they will try to prevent things getting worse if they are serious, if not then they know they continue the match just fine. Yep nadal does take his time between points but that is his routine it allows him to get ready for the next point or his serve just like djokovic's numerous ball bounces before serve it helps him get into the right frame of mind to serve.
     
  31. Mike Sams

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    Jeez! Why am I talking to another delusional *******? :lol:
    So it's the other guy's fault and everybody should conform to Nadal and Djokovic? Now I've heard it all! :lol: :lol:
     
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    I think del potro also took a MTO in that match as well maybe he was cheating too or maybe he was also worried he hurt himself in someway. Nadal does have some sort of issue with a bone in his foot so he must hae been worried, I think nadal ended up losing the set he took the MTO in (if i can remember correctly, not too sure).
     
  33. Mike Sams

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    The rating for the US Open men's final this year was 3 times higher than Nadal's capture of the US Open crown in 2010. It's obvious Nadal is not that badly missed based on tv viewership.
     
  34. NDFM

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    I'm not a ******* there are somethings I dislike about him, he does lack some things in his game that other players possess that i prefer like federer but he just gets so much hate on here
     
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  36. Mike Sams

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    Nadal loses a Slam match and his whole season goes to crap. He just can't handle losing to anybody outside of the top 4 guys it seems.
     
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    Well, the note with his post said new user, joining in Sept. 2012. If I am wrong, I apologize, but the substance of my remarks remain true.
     
  38. smash hit

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    Yes he did, but some people here have very selective memory. As for the coaching issue here is what Petzchner thought ,

    Q. You were complaining to the referee about the coaching by Rafael with...
    PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I didn't complain.

    Q. No?
    PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No.

    Q. Did you hear it?
    PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I just heard words, but it could have been "vamos" or whatever. It's anyway tough to hear if you're down on the court, because the whole arena is pretty loud.
    So I don't know why he gave the warning for or if it was coaching or not. I have absolutely in idea. I can just tell if you are down there, you almost understand nothing from up there, even if they are screaming at you.
    I think there was no coaching involved. That's what I think.

    The so called body check on Rosol was infact a slight bump, which could have been avoided if Rosol had stepped back. This incident has been blown out of all proportion. If you look at video of the bump, Rosol sees Nadal striding towards him and as Nadal who wasn't even looking in the direction of Rosol gets nearer he decides to put his towel over his face. The whole incident could have been avoided by Rosol, but he chose to continue walking forward.
     
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    Right again, but the selective memory is still in operation. Nadal took a MTO in the Del Potro match when the momentum was in his favour. He does have a congenital problem with his left foot, which means that a particular bone is prone to fracture. Since he says that the sudden pain was the same as when he had sustained a fracture before is it any wonder that he took the time to have it checked?
     
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    There are many haters of nadal on here who will believe what they want to believe and choose to ignore other things such as petzchner's take on the whole coaching thing.
     
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  42. Mike Sams

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    The bodycheck was intentional, my son. Just as intentional as Nadal's consistent delaying of points on Rosol's serve along with his intentional claim that he wasn't ready to receive serve after getting aced and robbing Rosol of a point. I don't believe what I choose to believe. The proof is there on video.
    Nadal's bumping of Rosol was flagrant and Nadal apologized several times for doing what he did because he KNOWS it was flagrant. I don't know why you silly *******s can't see things the way they are.
    And Nadal also called for a completely bogus MTO to disrupt Petzschener on his serve.
     
  43. RF20Lennon

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    Nadal took the MTO for his foot right before the tiebreak in the first set against delpo wimby 2009 but managed to win it
     
  44. Mike Sams

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    There was no favour in momentum against Del Potro. Nadal is what is known as a hypochondriac. From cracked knees to broken feet to an obsession with walking over court lines and lining up water bottles, he has some issues. And he's also a cheater. He even tried to get a TO on Djokovic's serve in their Indian Wells 2008 match. Umpire told him "No". Nadal played on with the same intensity, but got blown off the court all the same.
     
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    wimby 2011 you mean. Del Potro was underestimated in that match. Nadal wasn't liking what he was seeing from the other side of the court. You could feel the tension and anxiety. Nadal had a match on his hands. Much like against Rosol. But nobody on here knew if Del Potro was really any good on grass as he had never performed too well on grass up to that point.
     
  46. Pete.Sampras.

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    Whether Nadal's timeouts were necessary or not doesn't matter. Even if Nadal used them to break the opponent's rhythm, how is that cheating? It's not the finest way but taking a timeout or going to the toilet is not cheating.

    Whatever happened to the days when the book "winning ugly" was popular. If I had to take a timeout to get through a tough second round and then win the whole slam, I would do it. That doesn't mean I'd not rather get through with perfect tennis and no sets lost.

    Petzschner doesn't really say that Nadal was cheating either. He even said that he has to work on keeping his rhythm up.


    But back to the OP, yes it is strange that he was just gone all of a sudden. It seemed as if his knees were fine duing the clay season and he didn't even use any of the knee-supporing stuff anymore. I just hope that he will return in 2013. It would be sad to lose such a great player...
     
  47. RF20Lennon

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    Yessir 2011 sorry
     
  48. Mike Sams

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    I've got a theory that you're a hardcore *******. :lol:
     
  49. RF20Lennon

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    But you didn't do any of this when you were playing ;)
     
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    :shock::shock::shock:
     

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