strikers v punchers

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  1. degrease

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    So, Babolat say with their pure strike rackets they have rackets for strikers to go with pure drives/aeropro drives for punchers like nadal.

    It describes strikes as attacking first in a rally but also counterstrikers (polar opposites in my eye)

    I based my game on my hero growing up, andre agassi. Would his game be classed a striker or puncher according to babolats descriptions
     
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  2. hawk eye

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    The Babolat description makes no sense, it's just sematics to make an artificial difference which doesn't exist in reality, only to sound interesting.


    The only distinction which would have made some sense is when puncher would mean volleyer, since the volley is regarded as a 'punch' by many.
     
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  3. degrease

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    I get how flexible vs stiff frames is different for some styles. Same with head heavy vs head light .... it just first strike and counterpuncher are contradictory terms
     
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  4. McLovin

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    To answer your question on Agassi, you need to differentiate between the two Agassis: Early career & Late career.

    Early career (Prince Graphite/Donnay Pro One), Agassi would be considered a 'first strike' player. He hugged the baseline and went for his shots. His winner count was high, but so was his error count.

    Late career (Head Radical), he fit neither of those categories. He was really the pioneer of the 'aggressive baseliner', where he still hugged the baseline, but played more percentage tennis. His winner count was low, but his error count was usually much lower, in the low single digits. He normally did less running than his opponent, and essentially beat them by taking their legs out from under them. Not flashy, but effective. Today's closest comparison would be Djokovic.
     
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  5. degrease

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    Yea mclovin i agree... although not 100% on the djok comparison. Novak's outstanding attribute is his movement and defense.. never agassi's forte :)
     
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    Babolat also said punchers like Rafa and Li Na... their games are, to me, nothing alike
     
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  7. McLovin

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    Yes, Djokovic can retrieve like Rafa, but I'm talking more about his style of play: Aggressive, takes the ball early, dictates play side-to-side, wins more by not missing, as opposed to smacking winners (ala Federer/Del Potro), but not just retrieving (ala Rafa/Ferrer).

    Obviously these are generalities, as Federer can play defense and moves exceptionally, and Rafa can play offense and hit winners when pressured, but I'm thinking more along the lines of 'ideal game plan'.

    Normally Federer & Del Potro are dictating, but looking to either smack the big forehand or finish at the net. And I'm pretty certain Rafa & Ferrer would prefer to sit back & feed off of someone else's pace, and just retrieve, retrieve, retrieve.

    Djokovic prefers to move someone around, essentially delivering body-blows the whole match. Sure, he'll take a winner, but that isn't his game plan really. It's to control play from the baseline, essentially 'controlled aggression', just like Agassi did...only Djokovic does it better.

    At least that's my take on it.
     
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  8. degrease

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    Its a fair point mclovin :)

    Which racket suits agassi/novak... aeroprodrive or purestrike
     
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  9. McLovin

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    I'd say the same frame Tsonga is using: Pure Strike 100, but heavier. A Pure Strike 100 Tour, if they had such a frame.
     
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  10. degrease

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    100 plus some lead.. my aeropro is 343g
     
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    saying nadal is a pusher...

    defintely simon is a puncher.. you can call murray a semi-puncher

    but there are really few real pushers on tour, anyone can strike the ball really hard when given the chance, off course some are more offensive then others but its just styles of playing, and you defitenly cannot label players just on pushers and strikers, the game is far more complex than that, agassi has both of those, same for nadal , same for djoko , and even for del potro that sometimes can be a pusher, sometimes can be a freaking striker


    the babolat pure strike will not give more striking advantage then the aeropro its just marketing

    and dont buy a racket because a pro player uses it, because in reality the most probable thing is that that pro doesnt event use that racket ( just the painting)
     
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  12. aer0pr0

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    i didnt mean puncher i mean pusher lol.. its late in europe gonna sleep lol
     
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  13. Kalin

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    McLovin, great description of both Andre's. Young Andre surely was a thing to behold; not the winningest of players but the most exciting to watch. In my eyes, the only player as exhilarating to watch as prime Fed.

    As for Babolat, this is just a way to tell people the frames are different. It is fashionable now, especially with the ubiquity of online sales, to present an 'easy' choice to the buyer- self-assess your style and voila- your product is automatically and conveniently chosen for you. Golf balls brands use this trick very successfully.
     
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  14. degrease

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    It the less dtiffness which i am more interested in.
     
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