String for Steam 99s?

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  1. cluelessmoose

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    Since getting my Steam 99s I've tried strings like Solinco Outlast, Isospeed Pulse, Polystar turbo 15, and Genesis Twisted Razor at tensions ranging from 55-65lb. Guess what, all of these lose so much tension within an hour or two of hard hitting (4.0-4.5) that the racket becomes an unplayable rocket launcher. Big surprise with this racket, right? ;) So below are the strings that I am looking at trying out now. Which do you guys think has the best chance of holding up tension loss wise in the toy? I string with an electric constant pull tension head (Wise 2086) by the way.

    Signum Pro Poly Megaforce 16
    Babolat Revenge 16
    Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue Rough 16
    Tourna Poly Big Hitter Blue 16 (is tension loss with this string about the same as the rough version?)

    Thanks guys!
     
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  2. Francis27

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    The Luxilon 4G S 141 is specifically for the 99S it is fantastic at holding tension!
     
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  3. Torres

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    Will be too soft and lively for this particular application in such an open pattern.

    I'd go for something stiffer/deader.

    If you don't want to go the 4G route, then something like WC Silversting 16 would probably work.

    Yonex PTP 16 would also probably work as well.

    Both control orientated consistent strings.

    I'd avoid anything too lively or springy.
     
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  4. cluelessmoose

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    That would be my first choice but that costs lots dollars and I'm a college student.
     
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  5. mmk

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    Read through this thread, there are claims that Dunlop Ice, which is really affordable, is similar to 4G:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=447596
     
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  6. Doubles

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    SPPP holds tension well. You might want to try that.
     
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    I received mine yesterday and strung them today. One is strung with Wilson Spin Cycle 16L at 54/52 and the other with Luxilon Ace 18 at 55/53. I can't wait to try them. I also ordered several sets of 4g in every gauge to try.
     
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  8. dmcb101

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    I just ordered a reel of Pro's Pro Concept (1.38mm) for $47. It is supposed to be a standard poly that is not twisted or anything and holds fairly good tension from what I read. That would be cost effective in my book!
     
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  9. cluelessmoose

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    How is plasma's tension maintinance compaired to megaforce?
     
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  10. cluelessmoose

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    Wow you're adventerous trying an 18g string. The racket is a hoot to play with. Let me know how it goes. Good luck!
     
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    Where did you get the 1.38? I was only able to find concept in 1.33.
     
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  12. Francis27

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    Plasmas tension is very similar to 4g its basically a 4g but lower price its only $8
     
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  13. Ross K

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    I'll almost certainly be checking out PTP in the 99s. It's a poly I liked a lot in my previous frame, the J100.

    I may well investigate this.

    And I may well investigate this too. Would love to hear from others on how this contrasts with reg 4G, ppls overall impressions, etc.
     
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  14. JLK

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    Used Lux 4G 141 at 53lbs.
    Created a slightly stiffer string bed.
    Power was a littles less than Lux 4G 125 or ALU but spin increased.
    Strings lasted 3 times as long as Lux 4G 125 or ALU.
    Weight of racket strung with two over grips was 334 grams.
     
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  15. fibonacci888

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    had my first hour and a half of play with the Steam 99s

    setup: 59.5 lbs of Pacific Xcite
    strung weight: 325 grams

    Profile:
    35 years, with good pace on the forehand and reasonable one handed backhand with spin. Likes to hit a hard ball from the baseline, which causes failure sometimes because not every ball is suitable for those shots. Opportunitist.
    Good pace on first serve, spin on second. Level compared to US. About 4.5
    Racket: Tecnifibre TFlash 315 with 57 lbs Xcite. Strung weight 345 grams

    Groundstrokes
    The racket comes with very easy acces to power. The sweetspot appears to be huge and lets you really rip the ball. Trajectory of the ball is indeed a bit higher but a little adjustment lets you place the ball easilly near the backline. Hitting the winner takes some getting used to because the spin takes out some speed.
    Best part of the racket is getting your opponent from corner to corner with your inside out spin balls. Super!
    Concern is the durabillity of the tension of the strings since you can feel them move. I'm not a real stringbreaker.

    Serve
    Easy access to spin but struggled a bit with pace. My current rackets are 20 grams heavier and i missed a bit of pace. Did hit a killer spin second serve ace. Didn't hit enough serves to get a solid verdict on this one.

    Volley
    Racket feels really stable with volleys. Easy to get into place, and great for overhead smashes. I found challenges in placing a hard return deep in the court. Control was a bit missing due to ball trajectory out of the racket. Takes some getting used to.

    Touch
    Hitting a a good dropshot or touch slice backhand to the back of the court takes some getting used to. Balls can sail long or come short due to the stringbed. On short volley or feedback of the racket it feels great. The feedback is solid and gives enough feel for delicate shots. Just need practice.

    concerns
    • Needs a string that keeps it's tension longer than avarage.
    • Hitting the "winner" needs practice
    • pace on serve

    conclusion so far
    Very, very interesting racket. This could be my new stick if i work/train on my concerns. It suits my type of play, so it seems, but will need to test more.

    I'll test some more and share my thoughts with you guys.
     
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  16. JackB1

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    Obvious question...why haven't you tried 4g?
     
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  17. cluelessmoose

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    Being a college student I don't have much money to put into tennis strings at the moment. However, if the 4gs string really does last 3 times as long as alu power I may have to try a set.
     
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  18. JackB1

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    Anyone try Black Magic 15L?
     
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  19. quest01

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    Hey I also string with a wise tension head with constant pull and I tried Luxilon ALU Power on the 99s and it only lasted me like 5 hours. That's the first time I've ever snapped a poly and I'm coming from an APDGT. I'm also testing out some of the 4G stuff like the 16g and 15g. The only thing I'm concerned with is that I might generate a lot less spin with a 15g.
     
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  20. Doubles

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    The only thing that similar is its ability to hold tension. SPPP is softer and has less spin potential than 4G.
     
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  21. cluelessmoose

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    I would go for the extra durability. The string bed is already so open that the ball will be sinking sufficiently deep into the string bed with the 1.41. Should be a minimal difference in spin potential.
     
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  22. tlm

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    Thats exactly what I found but according to all the 99s rocket launcher fans in the other thread that I am all wrong and I am not good enough or do not use enough spin. But you are exactly right it can play pretty good for a while but then becomes way to powerful, within an hour with new strings.

    I would suggest to you if you want to waste more time and money on this racket then get the 4g 15 gauge and string it at 68 lbs., maybe then you can get 2 hours out of it. I tried a lot of set ups and had the exact same experience you did.


    So then i used my best control set up of gamma powerplay 18 gauge kevlar mains at 60lbs. with yonex poly tour spin x's at 65lbs and still did not like the power level. Thats when I knew I was done playing with this toy racket.
     
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  23. Centerforward71

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    No string holding tension on this racquet Period...
     
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  24. corners

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    According to lab tests 4G is by far the best copoly at holding tension.
     
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  25. JackB1

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    got a link to these tests?
     
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  26. cluelessmoose

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    In TW University String Performance Database.
     
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  27. cluelessmoose

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    Starting to realize that...
     
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  28. royfrombigd

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    Has anyone tried a full bed of gut? I just got my pair and want to try 16G VS in one of them. This racquet is for real!!!
     
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  29. quest01

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    Yeah I'm going to try out the 16g 4g first than ill try the 15g just to get an idea how they compare. The ALU Power would have lasted a little longer if I didnt use the racquet right after stringing it. I should have waited 24 hours to allow the strings to settle.
     
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  30. JackB1

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    I wouldn't recommend full gut....too powerful. Instead try a gut/copoly hybrid at around 62/56
     
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  31. cluelessmoose

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    I second this. Don't use gut if you hit with a ton of spin though. I tried gut / copoly at 65/62 and the gut broke of natural causes in <30mins.
     
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  32. JackB1

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    Are you a hard hitter / string breaker?
     
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  33. cluelessmoose

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    I'm going to try poly plasma, megaforce, and lux 1.41. If none of those suffice I'm going back to my APD.
     
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  34. cluelessmoose

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    I hit at a 5.0 pace with 4.0 consistency. Lol Yea, I hit fairly hard. I snap a fresh bed of alu power in about 6 hours on my APD.
     
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  35. JackB1

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    how about considering the regular 99? Same racquet, just a more closed pattern.
     
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  36. JackB1

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    I think Prince Beast 16g would work well in the 99s.
    It's got good durability and low tension loss.
     
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  37. cluelessmoose

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    Well if I went back to a more closed pattern I'm just going to go back to the apd since I am comfortable with it. I just wanted to see if I could get this "game changing spin" racket to work. I must admit, the frame is game changing due to it's spin untill the strings lose their tension. For professionals who can afford to change strings every 45mins, this may be the racket of the future.
     
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  38. JackB1

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    I'll have to see how it pans out for me, but I didn't have any issues in my one week with the demo. ALL POLY's loose tension quickly though, so the same argument could really be made for anyone who uses poly and doesn't want to restring often. I guess the extra open pattern just magnifies this issue? I would say that if the Lux 4G 15S doesn't work for you, then nothing will and you should just move on. 4G is rated the best in tesnion maintenance and the 15g is very durable.
     
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  39. Buford T Justice

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    As an experiment (noted in another thread on this frame somewhere......) I bought a reel of the $33.95 Gosen Polylon 16.

    To my surprise.....this stuff plays great in this frame! (I strung it at 59). And, wear seems....not bad at all. Projecting out life (based on notching), Id say this string may last 10-12 sets before it goes pop....which is to say a fairly long time for this frame.

    I agree with many others who have posted that Lux 4g is a great string for this frame....but the costs are just too much IMO. Regardless of whether or not someone can afford it, it just gets a little ridiculous.

    With Polylon I feel like it plays 95% as good for about 15% of the cost. (I believe 4g is $245 a reel, while Polylon is $34.) This frame is going to be a string eater no matter what any of us does, so I think if we like playing with it enough, its just a matter of accepting the fact that strings wont stay in it long.

    As noted by another (smart) poster.....this is probably a good thing. The hidden benefit is that none of us will ever play with a dead (arm hurting) poly. It just wont last long enough to go dead!
     
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  40. Buford T Justice

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    As an aside, I also strung a frame with Head Sonic Pro 17 (happened to have a pack of it) at 35 and did not like it. It was definitely easy power, but I just didnt have a comfort level with knowing where the ball was going to go. And, the strings moved on the first point....I was constantly adjusting them. Many many balls went long. I switched to the previous frame mentioned above at 59 lb, and immediately was hitting much much better shots.

    With some time at the low tension I would bet, like many others, Id get used to it and adjust accordingly, but think Ill stick with smack dab in the middle of the recommended range for this frame and just have fun.
     
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  41. gameboy

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    Anybody have recommendation on a poly for the cross?

    I am thinking about loading up on Becker nat gut while it is on sale. Not a big fan of full bed 4G, will it be better as hybrid?

    What is a good, cheap poly cross option? Looks like Kirschbaum is on sale too. Is Pro Line X a good option? With that combo, I am looking at only $15 per gut/poly string job.
     
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  42. Rabbit

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    with all this talk about which poly is right for the 99S, I forgot that I had a box of about 250 sets of Volkl V-Rex 16L. It's probably perfect for the dadgum frame.
     
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    Bab revenge is on sale.
     
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  44. cluelessmoose

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    250 sets?! how the heck did you aquire all those?
     
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    I don't remember ;)
     
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    isn't babolat revenge named that because you're trying to get revenge on your elbow?
     
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  48. JackB1

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    Anyone know if the 4GS is the same exact string is a 4G but just in a thicker gauge? Is it the same exact string other than gauge? Or are there other differences?
     
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  49. cluelessmoose

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    yes, my elbow stole my girlfriend. I'm gonna make that effer pay!
     
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    same same..
     
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