String Guide to the Perplexed

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  1. Radical Shot

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    Just wanted to chip in here and give a big +1 to everything that BigT has said in this thread. Spot-on advice that only comes from experience, stringing and hitting.
     
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  2. mikeler

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    BigT,

    I like lower powered, spin oriented multis and I was going to purchase something from Pro's Pro. I'm a 4.5 all court player. Which string would you recommend?
     
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  3. hebrewhammer

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    I'm no string expert like BigT, but I really enjoyed torpedo, which is kind of like a rectangular shaped multi. Plenty of spin.
     
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  4. dre

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    Ahhh yes, racquet head speed. I removed the lead recently, and with some adjustments, have been hitting a cleaner ball with a reworked stroke as of late.

    I also believe my elbow issues started with a combination of bad technique and low powered strings. Doubt any stick could've prevented it. I think mikeler or tennsifanla also suggested a hybrid setup with B5E and their favorite multis as well.

    Sounds like I need to try a few more setups, including BHB7 before ordering another reel.


    Thanks for the input !
     
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  5. BigT

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    With the exception of Gut Power and Kingut, I found most Pro's Pro multis to be quite tame in the power dept.

    Tristar and Gutex Ultra are probably the lowest powered, with decent spin.

    Torpedo and Claycourt Plus are medium powered with great spin.

    If you like MCS, then you would want to give Hitec Multifiber a look.

    Silver Twist is as soft as a multi, low powered, and has very good spin.
     
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  6. mixedmedia

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    What charming names. :)
     
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  7. fortun8son

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    With over 800 strings out there, it's tough to come up with something original. Heck, just look at some of the rock/pop band names out there now! Foster the People? Really?

    Pro's Pro is good string at a great price, but BigT is too ethical to use this forum to shamelessly promote his own products.
    I'm not a shill, but I do know a good value when it hits me in the face and I like the way he does business.
    Ray at Mamba has a different style, but his stuff is good, too, so I've purchased reels from both of them.
    I'm an independent racquet tech and my goal is to give my clients the best bang for their buck in a depressed economy.
     
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  8. mixedmedia

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    Haha, good point. Whoa, is it really 800? Is that including each gauge as a different string?
     
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  9. fortun8son

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    That's only the RSI list which doesn't include Pro's Pro, Discho, Eagnas and others who have not submitted samples for testing!
    Yes that does include the different gauges.
    There really is a big difference in the performance of different gauges. They might as well be different strings.

    Think about it. How many different FXP, Big Banger, and Live Wire variations are there?
    They couldn't think of new names either!
     
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  10. fgs

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    can there be a softer string than mcs? yes, it is pro's pro hitech multifibre.
    i managed to hit yesterday for half an hour with it, but it's too soon to make any statements besides the fact that it was "encouraging". i had it strung with blackout mains and played it parallel with the blackout/mcs combo and a tecnifibre black code/mcs combo.

    after stringing i made a measurement with the raquettune and it was 1 point softer than the blackout/mcs combo. you also feel it while hitting. for now the power level is comparable, spin too, i think i have to get used a little bit to the touch of it and slightly adjust in order to have better control, as i felt that i was spraying the shots a little bit more as compared to the blackout/mcs combo.
     
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  11. fortun8son

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    Gut Power 1.30 strings up beautifully with little coil memory and no ghosting.
    I just used it for someone who hated how low-powered MCS is.
    The performance and feel of fresh NXT is still hard to beat for an all around game or doubles.
    Hmm.. it's made in France, so it's either TF or Bab. Probably TF.
     
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  12. dre

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    Guys - which poly string in pros pro line has the best combination of spin potential, tension retention, and comfort ? I know its asking alot from one string and searching for reviews if any. So, is it HEXASPIN, BLACKOUT, BLACK FORCE or ICHIBAN SPIN ?

    I used the B5E last year and strongly considering BHB7 for my next reel. I prefer to work with one string in the mains for the rest of the year.

    thanks for your suggestions.
     
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  13. mixedmedia

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    Different gauges definitely play differently, but they don't have to be named differently. :) And I was mostly asking that to get a sense for the volume of names require. Hehe, and nice comment about the FXP, BB, and Live Wire.
     
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  14. mixedmedia

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    Have you demoed BHB7 and compared it to B5E? I've heard they're pretty different.
     
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  15. dre

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    Yes, I few guys, including Torres, and Tennisfanla suggested the same. I'm also checking out BigT strings to see if I can find a good fit for my playing style.

    I'm hoping to get a more power and increased spin from my next main string. From Torres review, I believe BHB7 is exactly what I'm looking for (eg: heavy penetrating top, control,and good tension retention.) I'm currently creating a short list of strings to include BHB7 (16 and 17) and a couple from pro's pro.

    * I'm a big weiss fan since the scorpion, and was the only reason I bought the B5E. Just thinking of the cold weather performance, and lack of feel from a full bed, is preventing me from buying another reel today. I did contemplate trying a hybrid setup, but decided it was time to move on.
     
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  16. mixedmedia

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    In that case, I think you're probably right on track with BHB7 on the list.
     
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  17. dre

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    The knowledge base in this forum is incredible ! I guess the only way to figure out what works best is to experiment. I'm just glad I own a stringer.

    As for the BHB7, I need to figure out the tension of the 16g and 17g.

    Right now, I'm searching for more info on Pro's Pro co-poly strings. The price point is excellent compared to a few other arm breakers...

    the search continues.
     
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  18. mikeler

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    Good info. Sounds like the Claycourt Plus and Hitec Multifiber would be the best fit for my game. Once I run out my current multis, if my elbow is good then I'll go back to my poly/multi setup. If not, I'll order these and try 'em out. Worst case, I'll get to them next winter.
     
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  19. BigT

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    How would you compare their durability?
     
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  20. fgs

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    for the time being i have about 1.5 hitting hours on each of the sticks and there are no signs of the outer shield of the crosses wearing off, so far.

    will report as things evolve.
     
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  21. BigT

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    A picture (or video) is worth a thousand words

    To preface, this thread is not intended to offend or disrespect anyone. It is just meant to bring to light a few issues I often see here on the forum, and to add some input.

    The importance of gear, and the correct gear, is of great importance to every sport, especially tennis. It is solely because of my playing/stringing needs that I got in the business almost 20 years ago.

    Please take a look for a minute or two:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER9FKDpSi_g

    Do these players need poly? Would poly give their shots 'tons of spin'? Would it make their shots that are sailing long, drop in?

    What if during a changeover, they started discussing the 'dwell time' or 'ball pocketing' of their strings? How would you react?

    What if one them uses poly and claims it feels the same to him after 30 hours as it did after 1 hour? Would that mean anything?

    Just yesterday, a customer, who later said he was a 3.5, asked me about stringing. His first question was 'Do you have Luxilon?'

    At the 3.5 level, to improve your game, I suggest hitting against the wall for a few hours or getting a lesson from your local pro. A good synthetic or multi would be fine.
     
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  22. Overheadsmash

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    Since it appears this comment was directed at me, let me explain a few things:

    1. I knew nothing about tennis or had ever played 2 and a half years ago. My kid wanted to play and that's how I started.

    2. I take a one hour lesson every week, and have for over two years.

    3. I play and practice 5-7 hours per week and so far I have gone from a 1.0 to a 3.5

    4. Full poly is too hard - my shoulder starts to hurt. Full multi or syn gut is too soft, and my strings move too much which I can't stand. Gut mains and poly crosses are just right. That setup provides a good balance of power and control for me plus it never makes any part of my arm or shoulder sore.

    So, I am calling B.S. on your post BigT. :mrgreen:
     
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  23. BigT

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    ^^ Mate, my post did not have you or any other one particular poster in mind. Please do not take offense. It was said as a whole to many of the threads that are made here everyday, and to many inquiries I receive.

    When certain customers do insist on poly, I do try to have them hybrid with poly crosses for the reasons you mentioned.
     
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  24. Muppet

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    Are you sure the players in that vid are 3.5? I'm sure that I'm better than them and I'm a 3.0.
     
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  25. Overheadsmash

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    So I'm basically on the right track then!
     
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  26. fortun8son

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    I had a customer today who had me string her 11yr old daughter's DriveZLite. She used to string in college herself.
    She said " Just use the Sweet16 instead of Xcel. She's just a kid and couldn't tell the difference at this point anyway"
    She also said, "Most people who think they need more than syngut should probably be working on their stroke mechanics."
    Her words. Not mine.
    Refreshing.
     
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  27. ohplease

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    The general guidance here seems to be string cheap and string often - not new.

    The problems are 1) burning 30 minutes to an hour stringing for every 8-10 hours on court. When life gets busy, that time isn't that easy to come by. And 2) busy adults will probably need two weeks (or a month if they're rotating 2 frames) to get to 8-10 hours if they can squeeze in 2 sessions a week. Nylon based strings at 8-10 hours a month out are just a mess.

    I'd agree that fresh syngut or multi every time out is sufficient for plenty of players - but most players don't have that kind of time to restring (or that kind of money to pay someone else to do it). I've also yet to find a nylon based string that doesn't play significantly differently between sessions. More recent polys (and gut) don't seem to be nearly as variable from hour to hour.

    So, BigT - what's the prescription? Is there a cheap syngut that maintains its playability?
     
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  28. fortun8son

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    To my knowledge, the only string that maintains it's playability throughout it's lifespan is Natural Gut. Alas!
     
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  29. BigT

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    Personally, I haven't noticed drop-offs in playability with synthetics as much as with polys. Maybe that is because I break them in 2 hours. But even when I have one lying around for a few weeks, yes, they'll lose tension (as does natural gut), but they are still playable IMO.

    Also, 8-10 hours of play per 1/2 hour string job is not bad IMO. If those 8-10 are in one week, then we are talking about quite a serious player who probably appreciates the importance of strings.
    If those 8-10 hours are over 2 weeks or a month, then that's 1 or 2 string jobs a month.
     
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    String Reviews

    There are many inquiries in emails as well as in many threads here as to my thoughts on certain strings.
    I never used this forum much for reviews; the Stringforum format is quick and easy to just plug in one's thoughts on a string. I use it myself often to recall what I thought on strings I haven't used in years.
    So if someone has any questions on my reviews of specific strings, please look at these first:
    http://www.stringforum.net/ratings.php?tester=6089
     
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  32. fortun8son

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    Big difference from the first video.
    IMHO, guys like this should first consider moving away from the head heavy OS sticks towards a headlight MP before getting too deep into strings.
    Of course, the guys love the spin that you can get from one of those wide- open patterns. They just don't understand why they get so much string movement and break them so often. (every six weeks? Outrageous!)
    Let's use Duralast! Nadal used it! It's cheap! We'll string it at the usual 62lbs and it won't break!
    Ahem. Sound familiar?
    Not from you guys, of course.
    You either know a lot already or are willing to learn, otherwise you wouldn't be here.
    Anyone who strings for a variety of players has witnessed this scenario.
     
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  33. Rozroz

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    Agreed, Maybe I have been underrating myself, but I like to be honest with myself... or at least modest lol

    But there is also the issue of the rating system being so vague. I'll stick to my humble 3.5 rating.
     
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  35. fortun8son

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    Don't overthink the strings.
    Just play, and watch your footwork.
     
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  36. BigT

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    I think most of us would be quite surprised and humbled if we were to watch ourselves on video.
     
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    For me it was more like petrified and disillusioned.
     
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    HAHA I had that same thought racing thru my head
     
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  39. Rozroz

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    i hope you're wrong ;)
     
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  40. sansaephanh

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    haha i've seen myself on video when I was playing alot more. Definitely 4.0 on good days :). Now a days i might even be a 3.0!
     
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  41. Rozroz

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    i think i should video myself after all the money i put into lessons lately.
    If i'll look as those guys i should retire all together ;)
     
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  42. BigT

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    A great post from a seasoned veteran.
     
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    "String Guide to the Perplexed"

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    *PRO'S PRO STRINGS-Exclusive Distributor in U.S. and Canada*


    ^^^ I'll just leave this here and let people draw their own conclusions.
     
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  44. mikeler

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    He is not hiding it. I have no problem with the thread myself for that reason.
     
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    I have a problem with this thread because he is using my post and not paying me any royalties. :-x
     
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  46. fgs

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    bigt's status is nothing new to regular readers of this forum and personally i don't find that he's really trying to push excessively the brand he's distributing.

    there is no question in my opinion that he does know quite a lot about tennis and in particular about strings and i can relate to most of his descriptions of string resp. stringbed behaviour.
     
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  47. mixedmedia

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    Yeah, I felt when I first came on the forum that he was maybe pushing his stuff somewhat, but I don't really get that vibe too much anymore, so yeah, he's being up-front, which is good. I mean, Gamma has a tech who posts in the stringing machines sub-forum, and Mamba T posts in this one, but I find they've all been professional.
     
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  48. fortun8son

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    This is a general information thread, not a hype for Pro's Pro.
    The strings speak for themselves, or should I say, those of us who have tried them speak for them.
    Unlike some so-called advisors, Big T would rather have you use the right string for your game than sell you a reel of Blackout that you don't need.
    He's a good guy who knows his stuff.
     
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  49. sansaephanh

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    Do you guys mind if I ask about gut? I'm really look for soft spin potential for my boardy 18x20 sticks that I love so much. I am currently stringing my brand new 18x20 Pro Staff Classic from europe with Gosen Micro Sheep 17 to set a standard in what I'm looking for. Many of the people here recommended gut because I'm not a string breaker, but I feel as if it would be wasted on a player of my caliber.

    If I were ta agree and buy some gut, should I aim for middle of the road?
     
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  50. fortun8son

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    OGSM17 works pretty darn well in a 18x20.
    What are you looking for? More comfort? More Power?
     

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