String Guide to the Perplexed

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  1. mikeler

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    Very good response. I think this is what PVAudio was trying to ask, it just took us all a few iterations to get there. :)

    BTW, after I string up NXT I'll be trying a few Pro's Pro multis.
     
  2. ted619

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    Perplexed

    OK I am not a string guy and am perplexed by the variety of strings out there.

    I am competing at the 4.0 level at the club. I get my butt kicked but also win a few. Last year I played 3.5 and this year I joined 4.0 league. I take big cuts at the ball. I have pretty big swings. I used to string at 53 but my coach told me to string at 58 with these rpm blast strings and I have to admit it helps to have the higher tension. I got no problem getting depth on my shots. OK here is my burning question to string guru people!

    I have a Prince exo3 Tour 16 x 18. I like this racquet for a number of reasons, good whippy action, nice weight for me, good spin, and, I think I have plenty of power with this thing. What I don't like so much is that it is kind of mushy feeling, some people describe this as "plush." I don't so much like "plush." I like POP. Like I'm hitting something. I don't like the rpm blast 17 that I have in this thing because I think it is too soft feeling. What string or string variety should I try in this frame that will give me more of a crisp feel, more of a pop? I have never really used that many string types because I don;t string my own racquets and have only been playing for a couple of years. I started with rpm blast because it seemed like the latest and greatest and was happy with it in my other frames.

    Thanks for your help!
     
  3. pvaudio

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    Outstanding, thank you for the explanation. Given this, I do agree with you 100%. :)
     
  4. pvaudio

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    Try Tourna Big Hitter Silver Rough.
     
  5. bigmalik76

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    Me too just strung up Gutex Ultra a couple days ago and will try torpedo next. Which one are you going to try?
     
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    Gut Power 1.30, Hitech Multifibre 1.30, and Gutex Ultra 1.25.
     
  7. sansaephanh

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    I really didn't want to start a new thread, so I hope you guys don't mind me asking a few questions here.

    Some of you may remember I had a brief honeymoon phase with BHBR@56M/OGSM17@60X. Well I can tell they're dead now. Lol. I can't believe how fast it died. Shots are becoming more random and it's really hard to control depth. I think power player is right in saying that my level shouldn't even consider poly. It really did make a noticeable difference on my serve, but it just isn't worth it for my level of play. I had trouble dialing in my touch shouts and ground strokes to the bitter end.

    That being said, I'm going to ask for your best budget strings and possible GOAT budget hybrids.
    -I've had some great experiences with forten sweet 16 and am going to try a full bed of 17@58.
    -I've tried Sheep micro 17@ 52 and found it too mushy in the rebel. Will try bumping it up to 56-60 soon.
    -Currently have a hybrid of Isospeed Baseline control /OGSM17 and it has a slightly stiffer feeling with average spin and decent pop when I swing out a little more. Though, I'm trying to swear off poly completely. Even Isospeed, which is soft and feels good.

    I'm interested in trying some budget multi's and some of the synth guts i've never tried. Hopefully I can find the perfect mix of pop and ball pocketing.

    My Goal: Getting a decent amount of spin/ball pocketing to get me consistent, but with enough stiffness to let loose on those floaters that come so often in my level of play. Basically my holy grail for my Rebels.
    A relatively flat swinger with a super dense 18x20 pattern looking for more spin to improve my consistency and effectiveness on both ground strokes and serves by adding more movement. I don't get anything but wrist soreness due to my carpel tunnel. I've gotten TE and shoulder injuries before on bad form and over working, but have not gotten either in at least .

    Any suggestions? I prefer stiffer and more powerful strings at high tension. Like Forten Sweet @ 60. Great playability at a great price.
     
  8. Doubles

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    Have you tried Mantis Power Synthetic? It's crisp, and powerful with good feel. It's a 17gauge, so it will open up your dense string pattern, and provide you with more spin.
     
  9. corbind

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    I mind and It's not even my thread! You spent 20 minutes typing up a nice thread of your own here. Why could you not bother spending 20 seconds typing a thread title and create your own thread where answers would be tailored specifically for your question?
     
  10. pvaudio

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    I can never tell these days, but are you actually serious?
     
  11. sansaephanh

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    Whether he is or he isn't doesn't really matter. What really counts is whether we feed him or not.

    Anyways, I was thinking about synthetic mains and multi crosses, but I started thinking that I have zero arm problems. Why am I thinking about soft multis in such a flexy racket? Of course, I still want to demo some nice multi's in my rebels to see how I like them, but a nice crisp synthetic sounds so much more appealing.

    Though I really think my main problem is that I don't know what tensions I should be at. I bet most of us could play with any string if we found the absolute favorite tension for it. I've noticed people string all sorts of different hybrids at the same tension cause it works for their go to set up. It just doesn't sound as viable as you guys put it. It's probably why I love Mikeler's Multi Thread. "Tension: Perfect for my game."

    Sounds good, I haven't tried many strings from too many different brands. Mostly head, prince, gosen, isospeed, forten, and most recently tourna. I've been looking at everyone else's synthetic and there are just so many choices. I would make a thread about synthetics that mirrors Mikeler's but honestly, I don't think I would do the strings justice at 3.5. My backhand has disappeared from not playing. I get no more point winning pop unless I rip it. When I do rip it, the ball looks like a normal ground stroke anyone else would hit lol.

    I've been looking into 17g string more often since I'm not a string breaker. Feels good, but I need to finish my other reels too lol. I'm also going to order forten sweet 17 soon.

    Has anyone have any luck with synthetic/synthetic hybrids? Playing full PSGD vs PSGD mains and MCS crosses or something?

    I'm open to all thoughts and theories. I'm sorry if I'm hijacking the thread BigT. I've just come to realize that Poly is a step up from where I am, just as you guys said. I might try to get a video up if i can find someone with a decent camcorder.
     
  12. mikeler

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    Agreed on tension. Probably could play OK with any string if I had a couple tries to get the tension right.
     
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    Definitely. I have started to notice it just takes a couple games and I'm good with basically any string.
     
  14. sansaephanh

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    Glad I got something in one of my posts right! lol.
     
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    I tried x-one bi phase 17 at 60 lbs and it is fraying after just a couple of sets :(

    Should have taken your advice and stuck with the poly. Now I see why people buy their own stringing machines. This is getting expensive and kind of lame.
     
  16. Overheadsmash

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    I can also say that Tourna Big Hitter Silver Rough is great. I string it at 51 lbs.
     
  17. sansaephanh

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    any help on massive spinning multi's and synthetics? I've been hitting better recently with the exception of being lazy on footwork and hustling. I'll be working on that soon.
     
  18. mikeler

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    Head RIP Control and Dunlop Hexy Fiber.
     
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    I've got a old K90 that came with ALU rough in the mains (now very dead) and VS gut in the crosses.The racquet came like this so it wasn't my choice to put poly in the mains. I know you can cut out crosses when they go dead but is there anyway to cut out the mains? I'm thinking about putting a multi or something soft in just to save some money and get a bit extra life out of the gut. What do you think?
     
  20. fortun8son

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    Don't even THINK about cutting out mains only. Restring.
    Poly/Gut is a silly setup anyway. No real advantage.
     
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    Ok. I know a little about strings but I don't string my own racquet's yet so I didn't know if it was even possible or not. I usually play this set-up but with the gut in mains and poly in crosses. Not sure why the prior owner had it strung that way but I'll just cut it out.
     
  22. fortun8son

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    Ah, yes. Gut/Poly is far superior to the other way around.
     
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    Really depends on the player. The one time I tried it both ways with the same 2 strings, I prefered the poly mains better.
     
  24. mixedmedia

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    Right, but poly/multi is more comparable to poly/gut than gut/poly is to multi/poly, generally.
     
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    Because the main strings provide most of the feel, I would agree with this.
     
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    Can I just cut out the poly crosses and replace them while leaving the nat gut mains?

    Edit: Just did a search, guess it's not very advisable. Damn, so If I want a gut poly hybrid then I have to keep replacing the gut mains all the time? Crazy $$$$$$$.
     
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    I think a couple people on these boards cut out the poly crosses at least once or twice during the gut life and some just leave it in and get great durability. I did not have the same success with durability and gut/poly, nor did I find Pacific Classic durable as a main or full bed (the gut many use--or used before the price increase--as a main).
     
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    I'm finding Performaxx Classic Premier very durable, though, and more consistent but maybe with a bit less ball action. I'm doing it full bed, but I mention it because it may work nicely as a main.
     
  29. BigT

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    RPM at 58lbs is too soft??

    I don't know if I could help but I would try a thick synthetic at 60 lbs.
     
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    I just read through this thread and enjoyed it, but I think I'm now more "perplexed" than ever. Maybe sometimes a little knowledge is OK--for a fairly casual player, get that syn. gut stringjob and get another one when the strings break. But that's no fun...
     
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    Mains are Mains, Crosses are Complementary

    Many here ask as to the function of mains and crosses.

    I feel that mains are called 'mains' because they are the dominant strings when hitting a ball, because of the direction of the racquet face. Crosses complement the mains.

    If I were to put a ratio for the average all-court tennis player, I would say:
    75% is the effect of the mains, 25% is the crosses.

    For someone who plays more doubles or serves/volleys often,
    70/30%.

    For a baseliner,
    80/20%.

    I bring this up as someone who is always looking for the best price/performance string set-ups for me and my customers.

    Which is why I don't understand when I see people using Lux, gut or other high priced strings as crosses. If cost is not an issue, that's one thing.

    But being that the crosses are there to complement, at best 30% of the feel of the stringbed, I feel that it is not necessary.

    So a player has to decide what his style of play is and what his priorities are on the court.
     
  32. fortun8son

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    That's why I scratch my head when I see a post of someone using, say, RPM/VS.
    What a waste of a good cow!
     
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    Hi BigT, I have been reading this post and I believe I learnt a lot.

    Just a quick question, will the tension of strings affect the amount of spin to the ball?
     
  34. corbind

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    As BigT said, if a guy has money to burn and has decided to make that 20-30% a priority all is well with killing a cow for him. Vehicles are not a priority for me since they are atrocious investments. So driving an older car saves an extra $300 a month which I'm able to **** away on about anything. Hmmm priorities, nice car....or nice strings.... :confused:
     
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    30% of the stringbed, and it's not neccessary? That's just insane. Think about how much 30% is? Try to increase or decrease your tension with that amount and you see how much it is. It's the difference on a frame of 300 and 390 grams.

    I think it's even 50-50 when it comes to feel.
     
  36. fgs

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    taking the natty gut crosses as an example, i would mention the following:

    - for a flat hitter it might be worth all the money to put in a premium gut in the crosses. if you look at the premium multis you will find out that there are some which are very close in pricing to pretty good natty gut already. and there is a sizeable difference in performance between syngut - multi - natty gut.

    - for heavy spinners and stringbreakers, with the exception of those for which money does not matter, natty in the crosses is indeed a waste. not that i would not enjoy it, but going through it in less than four hitting hours (that would be 8 hitting hours for a 12m set) is simply NO OPTION.
     
  37. fortun8son

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    For a flat-hitter, why not go with fullbed?
    As you say, there are some good, cheaper nattys. I just got some Mamba Supra.
     
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    slower paced flat hitters can surely go with fullbed natty. if you have a faster swing, a poly mains (or cross) might just be the right mojo for greater consistency.
     
  39. mikeler

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    I think it is 70-30.
     
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    Sorry to take you guys off track again, but i just played with a head speedMP with full BM. Just cause I forgot my racket and the guy let me borrow it. It was freshly strung and he let me hit with it! What a nice guy right?

    Quick review: Felt a gram more sluggish next to my rebels, but the playability is about the same. Extremely stiff racket IMO, but the control and power are there even when taking big cuts or on defensive shots. I had a few issues with volleys, but I couldn't quite find the sweet spot for my volleys anyways. This racket is the first open pattern that I truly enjoyed playing after adapting to it. Probably because of how similar it felt (weight ad balance wise) to my rebels. I could really accelerate through the ball and drive it with control, while still having the feel and weight to really stroke the balls onto the lines. Noticeable spin difference between rackets and almost zero trampoline effect. It might have been the fresh BM though.

    Anyways,
    It felt stiff at first, but that was more because I was really tense and not warmed up properly, but after i started dialing in my strokes I kind of fell in love with the easy power and spin. It started feeling more and more comfortable as I got my groove and footwork down. I was blasting balls anywhere I wanted. This is coming from a guy who tried to swear off poly's AND open string patterns. I'm in such a state of confusion. My stringer says I'm most definitely good enough to reap the benefits of poly (and I'm starting to believe it), but I can't believe what a difference poly made in the pure playability of my game. I just believe I need the fitness to up my tennis game to the next level.

    I hate this fence. One side says poly is the best thing that happened to my game since I learned how to string. The other says that the same playability can be found elsewhere in cheaper strings for my type of game.

    I'm rambling a bit because I'm exhausted, but this honeymoon phase has given me more winners and better placement then I ever had with full synth or multi. BHBR/OGSM, BM,Isospeed Baseline/OGSM, and Tornado/OGSM are jsut a few that i've gotten to try the past two months and the spin and pop are just incredible. My favorite so far is BM and BHBR/OGSM, but I still really want to try BHBR in a full bed on my rebels.

    To be honest, I'm probably just going to start my own string quest soon with a thread included. lol. I'm probably going to use one stick to review full beds of budget synth guts and multis. The other to try out hybrids and polys... I stil lfeel bad about using poly, but I can't argue with the results i've had....

    AHH HELP lol
     
  41. fortun8son

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    A new thread is a good idea.
     
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    On page 3 I felt the same so I fully agree with Mr. fortun8son.

    Post 157 and 190 are nice posts but should be separate threads to get the proper exposure to elicit proper responses. ;)
     
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    i wonder if anyone would have found the "best" either.......
    do you really wonder that?

    persoal bests may have been found.
     
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    That's also posted on the first page in the thread.

    I saw a USTA coach the oother day and he rated me a 4.0 just from playing an endless game with some lower level buddies. It's basically a set that never ends lol.

    So,
    I've been thinking about thoroughly testing and reviewing strings, but I don't want to shell out the cash lol. So far I can write reviews on a few poly's synthetics and multis. I'll probably start my own thread soon and start off by reviewing the bhbr/ogsm17 hybrid, full beds of forten sweet 17 and 16, and a full bed of bhbr. If i can get my hands on some Black Magic I might try that too.

    So look out! I'm gonna try to get my camera running as well or use a acquaintance's HD camera. I'm Probably going to focus on budget synthetics in the beginning to get them out of the way.
     
  46. fortun8son

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    I guess I missed that.:oops:
     
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    (other stuff equal) which type of string will generally retain its newness-characteristics the longest (ie the most use)???
     
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    Natural Gut, unless you break poly in 2 hours.
     
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    Before polys, the notion was that tighter tensions produce more spin.

    Since polys, many have commented on as much spin or more with lower tensions.

    Many variables, such as swing speed and which type of poly (round or shaped), will give different results to each player.
     

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