String Guide to the Perplexed

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  1. fortun8son

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    The other old school notion was that thinner gauge produced more spin.
    That may still be the case.
    The jury is still out on textured and shaped strings.
     
  2. fgs

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    so far i can say that i still get more consistent spin out of a thinner round poly than of a shaped/structured one - that means that while the shaped/structured ones might be imparting more rpm's on the ball for maybe the first two hours, until the shape starts wearing down, the round ones start out a little bit lower in the rpm department, but by the third hour usually top the shaped ones and keep it going until they break. the interesting thin to observe was that a worn out shaped one obviously produces slightly less rpm's than a played round one and i must admit that i have absolutely no clue why this could be so - the only thing that comes to mind is that there would be higher friction on the "underside" with the crosses.

    the two shaped ones that had really good and constant spin performance in my set-ups were ones that did not have a very pronounced profile - the polyfibre black venom rough and the tecnifibre ruff code.
     
  3. ben123

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    what happened to your thread? i wanna see tests of spiky shark and tornado!
     
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    i had a really bad flue and have been on antibiotica, but am better now and will resume playing maybe this weekend or latest at the beginning of next week.
     
  5. BigT

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    Spin production and gauges

    I find that round polys produce more spin in thinner gauges, while textured polys have more bite in thicker gauges.
     
  6. BigT

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    Perhaps this thread could help you out.
     
  7. BigT

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    EconoGut

    For the past few months, I have been testing out a few econo guts, to see if I should stock them. Customers have been asking me to find some good quality gut that is more affordable.

    The good news is that gut, even econo gut, plays really well. Power, spin, feel...it's all there. Durability was also surprising. One set lasted me close to 20 hours of play, and that was crossed with poly. Obviously after about 10 hours, some tension was lost.

    The bad news is, that for every set of gut that played with the above attributes that lasted 5+ hours, there is a set that breaks within 2 hours of play. Even 2 half sets that came in the same package, one would last 10+ hours, the other would break in a half hour.

    That for me is a deal breaker. I could live with the gauge inconsistencies, but the fact that every other set could potentially break in a very short time prevents me from stocking them.

    For now, it seems better to buy from more established brands. If a new econo gut comes out, I will be open to trying it out.
     
  8. fortun8son

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    I've come to the same conclusion.
    Econogut is just too erratic and inconsistent.
    The $30 guts are not bad at all e.g. Pacific Classic, Tonic+, Klip Legend.
    Much higher QC.
    Too bad Bow Brand is so scarce.
     
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    My experience was that I was breaking syn gut and multis quite often and finding myself spending a crap load on stringing fees. I had a full bed Bab PHT 16 56lbs. in a Wilson blx 6.1 and dang thing was breaking again! I'm not the brightest bulb and have finally come to understand that I wasn't a good player! I almost always broke my strings on mishits. Sloppy overheads, swinging too hard on serves etc. So I bought a drop weight stringing machine started my research on the TT boards and developed better technique and I haven't broken a string in over a year! Bad form is IMHO the real culprit for sting breakers. I now use a flexy Prince exo3 tour with poly/syn gut(MB/F.SWEET17 @54) and cut it out every 2 weeks. Hopes this helps any string breakers not coming to terms with their situation.
     
  10. fortun8son

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    Good point.
    I prefer that my clients bring me their racquets w/o the strings cut out so that I can analyze the pattern of wear and breakage.

    It also surprises me that so many players have power vs. control bass-ackwards.
    They think that Power strings and frames are for people who play with power!
    Talk about perplexed.
     
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  11. nightfire700

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    Since this thread had a long discussion on string tension lose vis-a-vis play time, here is my finding and I think it goes with what OP was arguing about.

    So exactly 1 month back I picked two Blade Lite, both strung with Forten Sweet 16g, racket A at 59 lbs and racket B at 56 lbs. I received the rackets 10 days later and immediately did a racquetTune test to set the benchmark tension. Racket A reported 47 lbs and Racket B 46.2 pounds. For last 2 weeks my son aged 9 yrs has been using Racket A while Racket B is totally unused and stored in the cupboard. Racket A has gone through 18 hours of play and RacquetTune now reports 43.7 lbs a drop of 7.2% from benchmark. Surprise is Racket B, it now reports 43 lbs, a drop of 6.9% without ever hitting a single ball. Not sure what to make of it but it was a big surprise.
     
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    7% is not bad for syngut.
    The RSI benchmark for testing tension loss is PSGO and it is over 9%. (in their lab tests)
    Sweet16 is my go-to fullbed syngut btw
     
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    Yes I know :). I picked Forten Sweet based on recommendation by you, Fuji and others who responded on another thread that I had started asking for strings for a 9 yr old.

    As for tension lose, wont the initial tension loss be already factored in as I did my first benchmark test almost 10 days after the racquets were strung and had travelled from Ohio to Fremont, and then from Fremont to Bangalore in the luggage hold of a plane :). Stringer tension was 59 and 56 and when they landed in Bangalore RacquetTune reported 47 and 46.2 and I am assuming that the difference accounts for both- any error between Stringer and Racquettune tension values as well as the RSI testing tension loss which as per RSI benchmark is about 10.78 lbs for Forten Sweet. What I was trying to point was that in the next 2 weeks after that both of them further lost about 7% even though one underwent 18 hours of playtime and the other 0 hrs playtime and thats what surprised me as I wasn't expecting the unused racquet to further lose 7%.
     
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    Interesting observation.
    Too bad you couldn't get a "fresh off the stringer" reading.
    I, too would not have expected the unused racquet to drop equally.
    Now, just imagine what factory strung racquets are reading after being shipped and sitting for months.
     
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    Well, the Head Ti.Pro pre-strung with Head synthetic that we had picked in Oct'12 reported a RacquetTune of 40 lbs when we bought it. The recommended range is 52-62 and I assume it would have been pre strung at 57 lbs months before we actually bought it. That hopefully answers your question :). After 2 weeks of use it dropped to 37 lbs and after that for next 10 weeks it stayed within the 36-37 lbs range. Unfortunately, it developed two cracks in the frame and so has been replaced with the Blade Lites now.
     
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    That sounds about right. I'd always assumed that they strung at midpoint, but now I wonder if they bump the tension to compensate.
    Racquettune sounds like a useful tool.
    Alas, my stupid-phone only does calls and texts.
    ... and I string while listening to vinyl. :)
     
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    String Patterns & Durability

    The connection between string patterns and durability is greater than many realize.

    I have always considered myself a string breaker, breaking the average multi in 1-3 hours and the average synthetic in about 2-4 hours. All these were used in either 16x20 or 16x19 patterns in 97-100 sq.in. racquets.

    Lately, I have been hitting with some 18x20 and 18x19 patterns in 95-100 sq. in. frames.

    The average string usage time for me has mostly doubled, and in some cases tripled, getting from 5-12 hours with similar set-ups.
     
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    If you hit high looping shots without breaking strings often, you are just hitting weak flat shots with higher trajectory. If you are hitting heavy spin shots, your strings are sawing and you WILL break strings often.
     
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    I still have NOT found the perfect combination of poly and multi and I have been experimenting for 5 years now
     
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    Try Topspin Cyber Flash 1.25 / Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16. It only costs ~ $6 per setup and it plays great. I string it with a 5 lb. tension differetial to get some of the feel from the multi.
     

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