Stringee blaming stringer for string breaks.....

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  1. The Meat

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    So I've been stringing for a friend for a while and he always breaks string every few days. He used to use a 115 Wilson Hammer and now a steam 105S, always give him 16g or 17g. Very fast swing speed and likes to brush hard.

    Keeps blaming me for his strings breaking every few days and he tried using babolat pro hurricane at 16g, broke that in 3 days. Never paid me for a single string job yet.

    Should I completely drop him from my stringing list? What are your experiences with these kinds of people?

    All broken on sweetspot, notching.
     
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  2. mikeler

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    Start charging him $30 per job.
     
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  3. newpball

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    Your friend is blaming you for him breaking his strings? :shock:

    Well then in order to salvage whatever is left of your friendship I would suggest doing no more string jobs for him.
     
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  4. Roger Wawrinka

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    Sounds like he's not a very good friend if he's blaming you for something that's really not your fault. That's tough man.
     
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  5. The Meat

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    I know, it's been going on since last summer. He should really invest in a string reel or a 18x20 racquet. :p
     
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  6. The Meat

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    It would have to be polylon or ogsm to make up for the cost of the reel lol.
     
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  7. newpball

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    As an alternative string his rackets with 15L kevlar. :grin:
     
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  8. The Meat

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    Still would manage to break it and blame me. ;)
     
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  9. Maui19

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    Stop stringing for him.
     
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  10. Irvin

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    Did you ever stop to think maybe it really is your fault? I mean if you did not keep stringing his rackets he would not break them. Maybe you should suggest he use another stringer to see if his strings and his money last longer. Maybe you could allow his to use your machine with his strings to see if he could do a better job.

    I do know this, the longer you let this go on the more you are going to have to support him. Maybe he thinks you just like stringing rackets and he wants to be your friend.
     
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  11. GlenK

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    I would let him move on and find another stringer. If he's the only one of your customers with this complaint then it's clearly not something you're doing wrong.

    You could recommend another stringer you know and then check with him after he strings for this guy and see what happened.
     
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  12. The Meat

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    Breaking due to notching definitely not any kinks or defects in string, i'm very careful trust me. ;)
    I usually string my other friends racquets as well, no problems there.

    I told him to try another stringer, he'll still keep breaking strings. Then I won't take him back. :)
     
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  13. Squidward

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    If he's never paid for a stringjob then all he's lost is time.

    Let him find another stringer for awhile. (One he has to "Pay" for)

    If the same thing continues, it's something he's doing. If it ceases, maybe it is something in the way you do his racquets. Either way, you'll know.

    Once that is figured out, have him buy his own set/reel of whatever string he chooses.

    Good Luck
     
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  14. gmatheis

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    This is why he breaks strings ... about his only option with that racket is Kevlar.
     
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    I was being facetious, if you don't string them he won't break them and blame you. I was not really insinuating it was your fault the strings broke.

    So if he goes to someone else youll get mad and won't string for him any more? Sounds like you want to string his sticks so what's the problem he is just making you happier?

    Sund like to me it a younger adult stringing for a younger adult. You want to get paid but don't want to ask for payment. Well you don't have to ask. If you want payment for stringing tell him up front you can't keep doing it for nothing and how much it will cost. I have a few customers that blame me or the strings for their string breaking. I don't mind at all. I tell them I make more that way.
     
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  16. BabolatTennis9

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    3 days is a while to break 16 gauge strings on the 99s i broke 16 gauge krischbaum spiky sharks in a day when i tried that kind of string pattern (i strung my yonex with every other cross)
     
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  17. The Meat

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    I didn't take any offense to your previous comment, I was thinking of dropping him from my stringing list eventually because of this recurring problem. I was joking around when I said I wouldn't take him back, it's my sense of humor sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I really dislike people who abuse their friend's kind gestures.
     
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  18. unorthodox stringing

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    The fact that you're hesitating shows this friendship means something to you.

    Have you ever asked for payment? Could be a barter in return for him paying for balls and court fees or even repairing your leaky roof.

    If you have not broached the topic, give him a chance. You'll feel better dropping him too if he still refuses to pay.

    Check out the restringing charges around your area. See if you can charge slightly cheaper for a friendship discount as long as you can cover your costs. Your time ain't free too!

    I made the mistake of not enforcing payment for a doubles group. Together, they owe me more than a grand now!
     
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  19. zapvor

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    why are you doing it for free??????????
     
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  20. SwankPeRFection

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    Have you tried to sit down with him and explain that the cause of the breaks are probably due to the extreme amount of movement on the new S racquets. If he's killing the same string in the different racquet in the sweetspot, have him go back to his hold racquet for the same amount of time it usually takes him to break the string. If it doesn't break, well gee... Another thing you need to do is simply lower the tension of what you're giving him. He probably won't notice anyway. Drop it 5 lbs and see if it increases his breaking time. Work from there. Talk to your customers, don't just point fingers back and forth.
     
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  21. The Meat

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    Doesn't want the change in tension, doesn't want to listen to the open string pattern spiel, changed strings multiple times, don't kink strings ever, always breaks in the sweetspot. I'm nice, he used to pay me for every string job but now he just doesn't bother. I'm still going to be friends with him, just not going to string for him again unless he pays me before handing me his racquet.
     
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  22. diredesire

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    Yep, I was surprised it took so long for this to get mentioned. Drop him if he's being a jerk about it. He'll figure it out very quick. I wouldn't be a jerk to him, though. Just tell him if he's unhappy he can find someone else, and ask him nicely to follow up with you if he gets any more info. Make it self-degrading "let me know if things improve, so I can see if there's something I'm doing wrong..." and let him pay full retail price. If you're competitive with price with the other joint, he'll come back and ask for your services again. That's when you drop his balance on him and tell him he can continue stringing with you once his tab is paid.

    Just drop him, there's nothing really in question here. Don't string for him until he pays his past due balance. It's not something you just forget about. If you want to run a "business" run it right.
     
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  23. eelhc

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    There's another angle...

    Really depends on the nature of the friendship and the "blame"...

    How close is the OP to this Friend and is the "blame" generally good natured joshing that has becoming annoying or are there actually hard feelings (maybe due to the repeated banter)?

    He'll be back if he still breaks them after $20 string jobs.
     
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  24. lostinamerica

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    I use the Steam S and it is not the stringer or the string. The wide open pattern is the culprit. I have not ever got 3 matches (sans kevlar) out of a string job since I changed rackets.

    Kevlar lasts about 15 hours of singles.
     
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  25. Steve Huff

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    Try the Kevlar. It's your only hope. He's telling you he wants a string that lasts longer. Is it partially your fault? Well, if someone had brought me frame after frame with strings that break every 3 days, I wouldn't be putting 17g anything in it. By the 3rd time, I'd be looking at a Kevlar or Aramid string.
     
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  26. SwankPeRFection

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    Didn't tell you to tell him you changed his tension. Just change the tension. If he's playing at high tension (close to 60), lessening it to 55 won't cause him to hit long, it'll just be more comfortable and honestly, if it's all poly, that drop won't mean **** anyway. He probably won't even be able to tell. Either tell him to give you a chance to SHOW him what's up or tell him to **** off. Simple as that. That's what I would do. The idiot buys a spin racquet and then brakes the strings more often in the sweetspot because of excessive notching due to excessive tension and he's going to blame you. Ya, I'd blame you too if you insisted that he string like this, but in reality, he needs to dial back the tension and be done with it. It'll fix the problem.

    BTW, what string are you giving him? You shouldn't be putting in 17 if he's braking it that quickly and with an S racquet, it's not needed most of the time.
     
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  27. The Meat

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    16g Pro's Pro blackout, he's stringing at 55lbs. 50lbs is just ridiculous on a racquet that open.
     
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  28. PBODY99

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    Even with string savers that frame eats string.
     
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    Listen to Steve. Sound advise here!
     
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  30. diredesire

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    If you are trying to run a 'business' (the term is used loosely in this sub-forum), this would be a pretty terrible way to go about your business ;)
     
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  31. BLX_Andy

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    Doesn't he realize that his Steam eats strings? Tell him to toughen up and use a different gauge/string or just completely drop him.
     
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  32. v-verb

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    Drop him.

    BTW I use a 99S, Lux Monotec 16L at 45 lbs. Dropped to 40 lbs after 2 months, no notching, 20+ hrs, I hit hard (yes really). Silicon spray - works great:twisted:
     
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  33. BIGJ98

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    Use Wilson Ripspin 15 gauge.
     
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  34. The Meat

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    I actually broke the test set in about 5 days using a midsize racquet, he's going to chew through that baby faster. :)
     
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    drop him

    if he doesn't know that open string pattern frames (especially this one), break strings very quickly, then he never will.
     
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  36. Rjtennis

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    For string for free and he is complaining?? There is something wrong with that equation. I'd drop that guy for sure as it doesn't sound like he is appreciative what so ever.
     
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    Khattc

    Kick
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    Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Restrings don't come cheap, that guy should know how lucky he is.
     
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    I would cut the strings out and refund his money. Not worth the bother or expense. Have him take his business elsewhere.
     
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  40. The Meat

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    What money he hasn't paid me in 3 months lol.

    Just an update I have kicked him off my stringing list. He's now paying $20+ for a string job from a local stringer and still breaking them as fast. :)
     
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    Can't believe that guy hasn't gotten his own stringing machine yet!
     
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  42. babyhagrid

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    Quick question. If he comes crawling back and apologises will you take him back and how much will you charge?
     
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  43. am1899

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    ^^ If it were me, I would consider taking the client back, so long as they were to agree to the following:

    - Same price
    - $$ up front
    - No restring will be comp'd (unless I deem necessary due to defective string, etc)

    If not, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
     
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  44. The Meat

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    Same price, but I doubt I'll even string for him.
     
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  45. gregor.b

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    Don't drop him as a friend-just as a non paying client.

    See how that goes for him........

    Or stop using dental floss for him 'cos he is a tight *****.
     
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  46. Lack

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    Now, this would very simple if he wasn't your friend, because you can just stop stringing for him. However, since he's your friend, recommend him kevlar hybrid strings, they are very durable. Tell him that if he pops his strings within 2 days, you will only charge for the strings, not the labor.
     
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  47. oest10

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    If you can't be honest with this guy and explain why you are not stringing for him anymore, how good of a friend is he really?! I strung a lot for my friends but they don't even want me to do it for free. What I'm saying is that is he's a close friend, he should respect and understand your choice, and I feel that he should ABSOLUTELY reimburse you for your previous string job. If he doesn't even do that and keeps on asking for stringing jobs, blaming you, tell him in a respective manner to get lost and find someone else. Friends shouldn't abuse friends.
     
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  48. gregor.b

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    Great call.
     
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  49. The Meat

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    He's had a streak of abusing my hospitality since last summer, asking me for rides to places, etc. I just won't string for him anymore and will continue being his hitting partner if he wants to play with me, if not idc I have other friends lol. :)
     
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    sounds to me that you owe this guy a large bar tab.
     
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