Stringing 1 piece vs 2 pieces

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by 22mom22, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. 22mom22

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    Is there a difference in racquet performance if stringing the mains and crosses with 1 string? In the past, everytime I had my racquet restrung, the crosses and mains were strung separatey with 2 strings.

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  2. struggle

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    no, there is not.
     
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  3. Irvin

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    If you're using the same string in the mains and crosses you may be able to tell the difference. Some manufacturers require two piece stringing, but all allow two piece. Although some allow one piece some manufacturers recommend two piece. Many PROS prefer one piece because it is faster. (The faster you string the more money to make.)

    If you use hybrid strings it is a mute point.
     
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  4. Irvin

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    If there is no difference between stringing a racket 1 or 2 piece why in the world would any professional tennis player use hybrid strings?
     
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  5. struggle

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    I was speaking to stringing technique/method, yes as in full bed job.

    If we're discussing hybriding then I fully missed the boat. (thread title alone says it all)

    Coming about!!
     
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  6. mul1gan

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    1 piece ATW

    Hey Irvin,

    I have a quick question for you, and I am not sure if I did it properly based on a few videos I have seen on youtube.

    I have a head youtek pro which has an 18x20 pattern. Normally I use a 2 piece method but this time decided to try the 1 piece ATW. Since my racket has shared holes and my first cross from the top is shared, I had to tie off on the short side on the 8th main right? Meaning that I could not start my cross at the top on the short side because it would have been in the shared holes.

    Did I do that right?
     
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  7. Mongolmike

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    If we hybrid strings we aren't allowed to talk about it? Why? :shock:

    (just teasing... Merry Christmas... but I'm the bad elf)

    Other reasons to string two piece with the same type of string is that some like to vary the string tension between the mains and the crosses.

    Also, with 2 pc you have a shorter length of string to drag through the mains which is easier for some to deal with.
     
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  8. Irvin

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    You're confusing me. There are 9 mains on each side and no skipped holes so the 8th main goes from 8H to 8T. So how do you tie the 8th off in the grommet hole it is in? You could skip the 8th main and go to the ninth and run in the top cross with the long side. Then use the long side to come up with the ATW and run in the second cross.
     
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  9. Irvin

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    I going to have to put you on moot. LOL good catch.

    If you are going from a main to a cross with the racket surface friction the difference in tension from main to crosses will still be there. I have heard the the USRSA ran some tests for proportional stringing and the tension do not even out.

    About the only time when I think there is any advantage to stringing 1 piece is when you have a hole blocked with two strings at the bottom, like the 6.1 90 racket that skips 7&9T and ties off at 6T.
     
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    The phrase "moot point" actually is the antithesis of its general use. The word "moot" means subject to debate or open for discussion, not the opposite.

    As to the OP, when stringing a homogeneous string bed, I would rather use a one piece, even if it's an ATW. Can I tell the difference? No, not at all, but a one-piece does allow for more consistent tension and is more aesthetic IMO.
     
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  11. optimaltennis

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    1 piece done right has less tie offs thus less potential tension lost.
     
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  12. eelhc

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    On a large 125 18x20 racquet I string a 2 piece job is not possible with a single 40ft package of string on lower tensions as I need 23' to reach the tensioner (with a bridge) and have enough slack to tie off with a good knot. The remaining 17' is not enough for the crosses.

    It took some thinking but I've managed to string the the same racquet, string and tension with a single 40ft pack of string.
     
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  13. Irvin

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    If you can do it one piece with 40' of string you should be able to do it two piece also. Start you mains with 11' 6" short side (half of 23'.) Tie off both outside mains and cut of the long end's tag end so ther is zero wast on the long side. Use a starting knot with a 1" tag end held with a starting clamp (or pliers.) String crosses top to bottom.

    Using this method I strung a head OS (110 si) 18x20 with 34' of string. I don't think a 125 si racket would take any more than 6' more string.

    EDIT: This video may help you understand what I am saying:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yPuhN9RbAGE
     
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  14. 2 piece > 1 piece IMO

    There must be some difference between the two IMO. I do agree with the logic that more knots means more source of "tension loss" / variability, but there must be more factors favoring two piece strings jobs.

    I was the relief stringer at a more competitive than usual futures tournament this summer (highest players ranked 97 dubs 210 singles)... probably 80% of the players requested "4 knots" (two piece) over "2 knots" (1 piece).
     
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  15. Irvin

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    Tim Strawn did an article (Is Two Better Than One) in April 2013 Tennis Industry Mag you may want to check out.

    http://www.tennisindustrymag.com/issues/201304/index.html

    EDIT: Many tournament stringers are limited as the the pattern they use as it is determined for them but going from one event to another, but they will still have their preference, and they're not all the same. Then again some players want their rackets one way and part of the reason for going to a service like P1.

    The pattern you should use for your personal racket should be determined by how the rackets play with each pattern. But before deciding that the rackets should be matched so a favorite racket does not throw off the decision. If you can't tell the difference use the pattern you like stringing best.
     
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  16. Irvin

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    To may also want to try coming up with some criteria of what you and others (if you string for others) may look for a newly strug racket, like:

    1) How loose are the outside mains
    2) How consistent are the dynamic tensions
    3) How long does it take for break in or is the racket best just after stringing
    4) How long does the playability last
    5) Are there any issues with a specific racket with 1 or 2 pieces of string? For instance there are two strings blocking hold 7T on the 6.1 90 frames
    Etc...
     
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  17. smeags86

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    Interesting article.
     
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  18. mul1gan

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    hmm

    Still confused, on my racket the 8th main goes from throat to top so the 9th main is going back down. In a 1 piece method, to avoid starting my crosses on the long side from the bottom I need to do the ATW method right?

    So on the short side, do I stop on the 8th and tie off on the top grommet or do I do 1 row of crosses from the top, and if so it would have to be starting from the second cross since the first two crosses are shared holes.
     
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  19. mul1gan

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    maybe I should take a picture... or maybe I will just use 2 pc and scrape this 1 pc ATW method.
     
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  20. Irvin

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    I would scrap the ATW method. You said in Post #6 you tied off on the short side on the 8th main. I doubt that is true but I took your word for it. That being the case you can tie off the 8th main in 8H because the tie off string would be tying onto itself.

    EDIT: BTW which hole at the top is your tie off hole?
     
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  21. Jster

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    Are you sure? One piece (2knots system ) should take a longer time since the "long side" requires you to pull half mains and full crosses for every grommet.
     
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  22. Jster

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    In my opinion, 2 knots system required less length than 4 knots system ( about 20cm less)
     
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  23. Irvin

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    Am I sure about what? If it is the time required to string the racket that is the general opinion. Many think typing those extra 2 knots requires more time.

    Maybe 10 cm / 4 inches.
     
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  24. drakulie

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    1 piece stringing results in better tension maintenance.
     
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  25. redduck996

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    Assuming 8H and 8T means head and throat, my 8th main goes from 8T to 8H and the 9th goes back down towards the throat, which means my crosses would start at the throat on the long side in a 1 piece method.
    So if I stop on the 8th main and tied off on either 7H or 6H, would that be ok? Then on the long side I would do a partial box or ATW method so that my crosses can start at the top?

    thanks and sorry if I am still not explaining it right.
     
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  26. Muppet

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    If it's possible with the tie-offs I'd string the last mains and tie off at the bottom. String the crosses top-to-bottom.
     
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    Sounds doable if 6/7H is tie off hole (and one probepably is) and you want to use an ATW pattern.
     
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    On the new Wilson PS97 LS is says 1 piece. I have had other rackets that said 1 piece but I used 2 as I always do. I want to restring this Wilson, should I try 1 piece? And how do I do it? Is there a chart anywhere for this racket?

    Even the other PS 97 models say 1 piece but we all know Fed uses hybrid 2 piece.

    Confused....
     
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  29. hyperion99

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    Hello Drakulie,

    Do you typically string for the pros with one piece or the usual 2 piece(standard for most racket setups)?

    Thank you
     
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  30. Ripper014

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    I have never found one piece string jobs faster. It requires pulling more string through the racket. I would much prefer doing it in two pieces. However if you are pulling string off a reel you can save a couple additional feet by using one string.
     
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    I prefer 2 piece myself but I think one piece is faster. The only time you're pulling more string through the racket is for one side of the mains. Also when stringing one piece I will preweave the long side.
     
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    That is quick
     
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  34. eelhc

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    Unless I am doing a hybrid, I will usually string 1 piece. I run the top cross with the short side so both knots are tied off on a cross. Time difference is not significant for me.
     
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    Whether or not you use the short size to run in the top cross shouldn't make a difference as to whether you can or can't tie off on a cross.
     
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  36. eelhc

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    By tying off on a cross I mean the top and bottom crosses are the tails that get tied off. If I do not run the short side for the top main, I would be tying the outside main off.
     
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    This is what I do also. It takes time and planning, especially if you do it with an ATW pattern, but to me that's the way to go with a full bed job. Tension is symmetrical, you have better tension maintenance due to less tie-offs, and you have less wear on the grommets.
     
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  38. am1899

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    You can string it 2 piece.

    This is from memory...I'll double check the demo I strung up in a bit:

    Where H= head and T=throat:

    Main skips - 8T, 8H, 10T, 10H
    Tie mains - 9H
    Tie crosses - 6H & 7T
     
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  39. Irvin

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    Wilson allows one piece stringing where the crosses are strung bottom up or you could use an ATW pattern but they recommend two piece stringing. When you say it says I assume you are talking about what TW lists in their specs.
     
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  40. am1899

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    Yup. Just because TW specs say "1 piece" doesn't mean you cant string it 2 piece. In this case, the mains end at the head, making the racquet a good candidate for 1 piece. But there's nothing wrong with stringing it 2 piece either.
     
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  41. am1899

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    Ok I was off. I strung a 97 LS 2 piece with the following tie off locations:

    Main skips - 8T, 8H, 10T, 10H
    Tie Mains - 7H
    Tie Crosses - 5H & 9T
     
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  42. Wes

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    This is true (Wilson allowing crosses from bottom up).
    However, stringing the crosses on the RF97 LS from bottom to top (or using any ATW pattern) should be irrelevant, since the mains already end at the head.
     
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