Stringing Machines In The UK - Revelation Ex-757 DC v RAB 1000

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  1. Moz

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    Is Rab affiliated w/ Alpha?
     
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    Yeah... get RAB.. better known and will fullfill warrany issues
     
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    I had the same decision to make a month back. I went for the RAB and I'm very pleased with it. Alex
     
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    Thanks chaps - looks like the RAB for me then.
     
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    Or have a look at Str!ngway. The lower models are around the same price.
    They are CP, 10 years warranty, and meant to be very very good
     
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    Just read your blog...As your Pro:) get someone else to string for you!!
    Is Rab giving you a good deal or just normal price?
    What is your string set up atm
     
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    Thanks - I'll check out the stringway.

    I have been getting someone else to string for me but it gets very expensive at £10 - £12 ($20-$24) a pop for labour only. I haven't spoken to RAB yet. I'm not expecting any discounts because I am full time rather than a pro!

    Currently I am using Luxilon BBO Rough on mains at 58lbs with pro supex maxin touch on crosses at 58 lbs.
     
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    £10-12 labour. That is a lot!! You can easily become a member of RAB and they sell you stuff for the trade price. All you do is log in etc etc and the trade prices come up. However im not 100% sure whether they sell stringing machines at trade price. Nice if they did:)

    Ps stringway isnt censored anymore!!
     
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    RAB are an excellent company to deal with. I've got the RAB 1000 and for that price you won't find better.
     
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    Moz did you buy a machine??
     
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    Hi mate

    I got the r-a-b machine. Very pleased with it. It seems well made and they were good to deal with.

    Thanks for the feedback.
     
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    The stand up??
    Whats it like? How is the tensioner and the clamps? Im thinking of getting one aswell. Being in the UK options are limited. Have just missed out on 2x Stringway MS200 on ****. Very annoyed!!

    Ps Moz- did you become a member?? You save around £75 on a machine if you are one
     
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    Just to say, TopSpinTennis sell the Gamma Progression ST II. More expensive than the RAB but it has 2 years extra warranty and comes with the cover and they are really good to talk to.
     
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    I got the table top, but it can be converted to a stand up easily.

    Everything seems good but I have nothing to compare it to - sorry!

    To become a member you need to be a member of the BTCA. I didn't as I wanted to order there and then.
     
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    LOL I am a member:) And i dont belong to BTCA. If you want anything in the future from them eg stand etc, I can get a fairly big discount on each item so feel free to ask me!
     
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    Now you bloody tell me!!
     
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    LOL i didnt know you were going to order. Very sorry Moz!! Thats why i just bumped this thread just incase you hadnt.
     
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    Either way, you owe me £50! :)
     
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    And the rest!!
    I didnt have an account at the start of the thread otherwise i would of said something. Ill email you now
     
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    The above comment suggests this is your first stringing machine - is that correct? If so, do you find it easy to use? I guess what I mean by that is:

    i) any (or many) botched jobs yet?
    ii) were you getting consistent results quickly?

    I'm in the very early days of pondering a machine having never strung before, and choice in the UK seems limited. Are there any other machines worth considering other than the ones already listed in this thread?

    Cheers
     
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    Is RAB the european alpha? I noticed Alpha mentions them on their website.
     
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    It is associated with Alpha, but i think RAB is the UK Alpha and not the European, but ill not certain on that.
     
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    I think alpha usa just happens to sell the RAB tools, i dont think they are the same company at all, i think they are independant companies,

    depeneding how much money you want to spend, apollo leisure sells stringing machines, incl, gamma, prince and the high end babolat and yonex
     
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    Hi mate

    Yes, my first go at stringing. Apart from watching one other person do a restring I just strung them using yulitle's youtube videos.

    I've botched a couple but they were certainly human error and nothing to do with the machine.

    My results seem fairly consistent and it's easy enough to pick up - don't let that prevent you from getting one. I didn't do exhaustive research - this had what I wanted so I bought it, otherwise I would have procrastinated for another 6 months.
     
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    Congratulations man
     
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    Interesting link, thanks. Shame they don't have an online store - the blurb says they sell to 'retailers, club shops and professional coaches', and I'm just Joe Public. There are a few retailers from the list in my area though, so I'll probably have a mosey on down to one or two for a chat.
     
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    Just read your blog and saw the Generation Game reference. So long as you did enough to win the cuddly toy that's all that matters, right?

    Thanks for the feedback, gives me something to think about. If it was a couple of hundred quid cheaper or I was breaking strings then I'd probably buy a machine straight away. Maybe in 6 months or so when I've got back into tennis a bit more and should be hitting harder and am playing opponents who hit it harder back at me.
     
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    Ha ha, exactly.
     
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    Just curious -
    RAB 1000 = Alpha Axis Pro - Stand?

    Hard to tell from pics online, but it looks like RAB mounting is sturdier than Alpha's
     
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    I keep thinking about this. I've even started dreaming about bloody strings now. So I'll probably end up buying a machine, regardless of whether it's a sensible thing to do.

    Two questions regarding the RAB:

    1) how portable is the table top version? I would want to pack it away when not in use. Is that easy to do, or is it a hulk of a machine?

    2) do you get everything you need with it? If not, what was missing, if so, are there any 'desirables' that are recommended.

    Cheers
     
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    It's about the size of a large racquet bag (bit taller) but it weighs a f'kin ton! You wouldn't want to move it on your own regularly but you could wheel it around on a small platform.

    It comes with everything apart from a starting clamp. That cost about £30 - and is recommended, but not essential.
     
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    Hmm, is that a wouldn't or couldn't? I reckon I'd be stringing about once a month, and live in a 1-bed flat so don't really have anywhere I could leave it out permanently.
     
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    Once a month isnt really worth buying a £440 machine.

    It will only cost you £180 a year on stringjobs (£15 a month)

    2.5 years till you start saving money, plus you will have to string
     
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    The idea of getting a machine is more about satisfying an itch to try out lots of different strings and the convenience of not having to wait for someone to do it, rather than saving large amounts of money.

    I mainly come back to this thread because choice is limited in the UK, and I haven't seen anyone saying anything bad about the R-A-B. The only cheaper machines I've stumbled across are Pro's Pro, but reviews of those are very mixed. If anyone can suggest a cheaper machine that has good build quality and reliability, then I'd certainly check it out.

    In the meantime, I've sent a mail to R-A-B asking whether I'd be eligible for their discount, and if so how much it would be. And asking the weight too to see if I could lift it.
     
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    If you are going to do that you could probably move it in two pieces without too many problems. Bit of a hassle undoing it but perfectly realistic and not very time consuming.

    The woman who answered the phone at R-A-B is very helpful and won't mind the questions.

    I've been impressed with the quality of everything provided.
     
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    I have also investigated the RAB. They will happily sign you up for their discount but it still makes it £375 plus VAT. I am leaning towards getting a Stringway automatic dropweight which can be imported into the UK for about the same price as the RAB. Have a look at T-T Stringer. *** for details or just search Stringway in the UK.

    Build quality is bullet-proof and they have a 10 year guarantee and also good resale value. I also was close to buying a Pro's Pro and like you won't be doing that much stringing but when I do I want to enjoy it so think it is worth investing in a good machine. Good luck with your search.
     
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    Smirker just saw a thread in which Jaycee wrote this:

    The ML.90 and ML.100 are basically the same machines but the ML.100 has three interesting features that are not on the ML.90 :

    1.) For both machines the drop arm automatically rests at the 2 o'clock position in between the tensioning actions, as you have to lift the arm to the 1 o'clock to insert the string in the jaws, this reduces the travel to a minimum (with the M.90 you have to lower the DW arm to the table, so the travel between each tensioning action is very long and very tedious), but with the ML.90, once the string is in the jaws, the DW arm will stop again at the 2 o'clock position, unless manually you release the lock by pushing on a small knob at the front of the tensioner. This can be an advantage occasionally, but mostly an inconvenience because you need both hands to operate the tensioner (one hand for the DW arm, the other to press down momentarily on the knob.n once the DW arm has passed the lock you don't need to continue to press on the knob).
    With the ML.100, as soon as the string is blocked in the tensioner jaws, the DW arm is free to apply automatically the tension on the string. Once the string has been tensioned and clamped, you lift the DW arm to 1 o'clock, remove the string and gently lower the arm where it will block in the 2 o'clock position, ready for the next time.

    2.) The ML.100 has a cradle lock

    3.) The ML.100 has ball bearings on the main tensioner axel, the ML.90 has a teflon/delrin sleeve (which is fine).

    I generally recommend the ML.100, but if the budget is a priority you will never really notice the difference if you take the ML.90, it's all a question of habit, but it is a little easier with the ML.100.

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    Thinking about it, the machine is supposed to come apart to convert from table top to free-standing. That's not a bad idea. Thanks Moz.

    Sounds like we have a similar approach to this. Good to know I'm not the only loon who doesn't want the cheap stuff. ;) I'll have a look at the Stringway too - thanks.
     
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    Dags did RAB get back to you with the pricing and size. What did they say?
     
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    Not yet. I sent the mail late Thursday night, so in fairness they only had Friday to respond and could easily have been busy. If I don't hear back next week I'll probably call them. I'll let you know the answers when I have them.
     
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    I asked them something and they instantly rang me. Not bad uh:)

    I would just seach around on **** for a while. I have seen lots of stringway machines on there aswell as the RAB one for £225 delivered.

    I bought a stringway MS200 for under £280. Very impressed with it.
    I am selling an Exthree Dropweight if your interested. Ill post it later in the for sale section with pics etc. It will only be just over £100 too
     
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    I got a brand new Prince Neos 1000 for £900... Imported it form the States and it took about 3 weeks to get here, very happy with it. That price includes delivery and also the customs fees i had to pay. So i saved like £400 from UK retail price. If you'd like more details about how I did it, then just PM me and i'll be happy to help you.
     
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    How much was shipping and customs??
    Also if something goes wrong with it, it would be very hard for you to get the machine fixed> If it was a clamp or something fair enough, but if they need to look at the whole machine....:confused:
     
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    I bought the machine from a US website that was willing to ship to the UK and also willing to declare the item as a gift.

    Machine was $1,199
    Delivery was $300
    Customs fees £62

    Given exchange rates at the time of purchase it all came to around £900...

    The machine comes in 2 boxes, and the company that shipped it to me declared each box as having a value of $100 and also declared it as a gift.

    With regards to warranty, i have the receipt and everyhting and i'm hoping Prince offer a global 5 year warranty, if they don't then oh well what can you do.

    That's why I bought a Prince Neos, reputation. The thing is built like a tank and there isn't that much that go wrong with it (touch wood) that I won't be able to fix myself.

    If worse comes to worse and i have a problem I can't get round, I can always pick the brains of the good people on this forum. I'm sure there's quite a few Neos owners around here.

    Customs fees could have been a lot higher had they opened the boxes on arrival to the UK and found the receipt... in that case i would have been f***ed and had to pay at least £100 more to customs, but it was a risk worth taking.
     
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    $300 is very good for shipping. I have beed quoted alot more for smaller machine.
    For £900, why didnt you get the Gamma crank?? Thats around £535 and you could stick a wise on it for that price. And you have the 5 year warranty in the UK:) Or even a stringway machine

    You may aswell buy a few neos' and sell them on:) Who needs a stringing business, just sell the ****ing things on:)
     
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    I could have, but Gamma machines never really appealed to me, i learnt to string on a Neos and i just had to have one.
    ha ha! I don't think i could cope with the stress of importing stuff, will it or won't it make it? It's a bit too much!
     
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    The gamma does look like a nice machine... maybe not as nice as the neos.

    You thinking of importing a wise and sticking on your neos. It would be cheape rthan buying from UK... surprise surprise

    Guess your one of those people that if they want something, they have to have it:) I think that applies to the Neos.
     
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    Smirker have you decided on a machine??
     
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    Yep, going with the ML100 with Flying clamps. Just got to save up the cash now. Keeping an eye on the Bay just in case.
     
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