Strings that "don't move"

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  1. bbulla

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    Hi,

    Can anyone recommend a decent textured synthetic string that 'does not move'. I have a customer who had a textured string that he claimed didn't move. I then put him into a different string which he says moves too much. I don't want to give him poly as it doesn't suit his style of play.

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  2. Irvin

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    You could also try a hybrid with poly crosses.
     
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  4. MAX PLY

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    As Irving said, string moves if you hit with spin. Some of the roughs may move less and Recoil is a thought--you could also recommend adding string savers. You could also recommend he try a String-Thing straightener (which works just ok)--otherwise, there's always golf.
     
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    Not sure where we are going with this. Is the reason for wanting a string that does move (or has the appearance of not moving) because you want to reduce string breaking or does the customer just not want to see the crocked strings?
     
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  6. bbulla

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    The customer just doesn't want to see crooked strings....no other reason than that. A synthetic or multi is best suited to his style of play, but all he is interested in is strings that don't move.

    Others (in the String board) have suggested Prince Premiere Attack.
     
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  7. jim e

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    Are you sure that his previous string was not a textured poly?
    Poly strings tend to snap back to position. I cannot see why you got 2 posters recommending Prince recoil, since that string was discontinued a long time ago.
     
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    Jim e is right about Recoil being discontinued (I had forgotten that just as I had forgotten it existed prior to the earlier reference--tried it once and hated it) but like so many other items, you can get it if you want it--just check the bay. Nevertheless, not sure that the OP's customer will find exactly what he is looking for.
     
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    Prince Premiere Attack is the best multi that does not move around much but they all move some.
     
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  10. Orion3

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    Agree - most likely he had poly strings that gave the appearance of not moving. i.e they snapped back so he thought they hadn't moved.

    Once they die however, he will need to restring or get used to straightening.
     
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    The old strings were definitely not poly. To me they looked like a nylon string with a black weave built into it that gave it a raised up feel. Or course, this was 6 months ago that I cut them out and I don't have that good of a memory. :)

    This is a senior with an intermediate level game, so I'm thinking I will go with the Prince.
     
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  12. pvaudio

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    Prince Lightning? Wilson SGX? As said, this magic string does not exist.
     
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  13. Ramon

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    Maybe the old string was black RIP Control (the other string I recommended). It is wrapped by a polyolefin ribbon in a helical pattern that looks "raised".
     
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    I didn't recommend recoil I said use a string like recoil. If you look at the bottom of the link I posted you will see similar strings.
     
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    find him a string that feels good to him and teach him to straighten his strings if need be??

    I've been straightening strings all my tennis years, what's the big deal?

    ....and i know about poly snapping back, yada yada. i play cheap string (syngut mostly) that i straighten as needed. guess i'm gettin' old....

    sounds kinda anal to me, but maybe a soft poly of some sort??

    otherwise, continue the whizzing. carry on!
     
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    ^^^Nope, it for some reason bothers people significantly. It is something I will never understand.
     
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    It's not just about being anal. If a synthetic string moves it's a good indication that it's losing a lot of tension and is not a great string for that reason. If a poly is moving, it's a sure sign that it's dead or dying, so if it's moving after 2 hours, it doesn't have good playability duration.

    I also notice that strings that don't move give better spin. On top that, since the stringbed stays more consistent during the rally, that means a more consistent response.
     
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    I think all string will move . If they didn't move you would never break a string. No movement, no friction sawing action, and no breakage. String could also move more because they were tensioned too fast, clamped too soon, strung at too low a tension, or any combination of those. Soft string tends to have move friction and move less but when they do move there is more friction and they tend to stay distorted. I would think a smooth string would be better.
     
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  19. pvaudio

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    This is not true. Synthetics move because they do not have sufficient elasticity to overcome the inter-string friction. Speaking of which, natural gut also does not stay grid straight as can be seen by many 90s pros picking at their stringbeds. Poly moving, however, tends to be a sign of death. That I agree with.
     
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    they all move, some snap back.

    and actually, the fact that the strings DO move (especially the poly as it snaps back) impart MORE spin, not less. (can someone reference that video study?)

    apparently the strings that snap back better (poly) are not really an option for this "client".

    we all know that brittle, crackly sound that strings get to.......then it's time.

    edit: also, what pvaudio says above!
     
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    Those synthetic strings that move (ex. PSGD) usually stay straight for the first couple of sets. Then when they lose elasticity they start to move. This loss of elasticity is related to tension loss. When the string is less elastic, there is less tension, so there is definitely a relationship there. The playability goes down after that.
     
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    EUREKA!!!

    strings go dead. but the synguts will retain elasticity much longer. and yes, they will move alot while still quite playable. basically, if you don't break them they "last" alot longer than poly in general.

    i can't relate to you guys that crush strings in 2 hours, so i can't speak to that. time to go pro, i'd say.
     
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  23. pvaudio

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    We'll have to agree to disagree because I have not once in my years of playing full synthetic gut have I ever had the strings stay straight for more than half an hour. After syn guts, I played NRG2 for years which also moves a lot and has superb tension stability and stays out of place because it frays terribly within an hour. In the Sensation Control playtest last year, within an hour of just rallying I was cracking the strings back into place. The playability had not dropped considerably. The strings sliding when the ball hits it abrades the surface. That increases friction, and causes the strings to not snap back. The softness can cause minor notching as well. This occurs well before a few hours.
     
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    I've never had synthetic gut stay straight by the time our warm up ended.
     
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    +1

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/the-new-physics-of-tennis/308339/

    Look at the video 4:00-4:30

    ALL strings move (unless you lacquer them). How well they move back is the difference.
     
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