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Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by 10SDad, Apr 19, 2013.

  1. BlxTennis

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    Audiophile, any chance getting those photos? I have a LF stringer too so very interested seeing your LF MS200 FX.
     
  2. 10SDad

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    Here are some images of the Concorde System. They show the rotating shaft, the spring block, and the lifting wheel in the frame. The cam under the turntable lifts the table when the cam meets the wheel. The third picture shows the Concorde frame, with the cross hole for the pivot of the shaft and the slot at the bottom.

    You need to have the correct frame and a bit of technical acumen to add/retrofit the Concorde parts. If you don't have the right frame you'll need a new frame with the Concorde parts mounted inside.

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  3. Audiophile

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    Sorry, I actually forgot about this. Although far from the best pictures, here are a couple:

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    Ok, looks like I finally got the pics to show up in the post.
     
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  4. BlxTennis

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    With the ML120 base, I may have the right "frame". I know for sure I don't have the right base with my LF MS200. I just hate to take the "frame" apart and putting it back with the MS200.

    Your LF MS 200 FX is very similar to mine except I have the T92 clamps & you have the T98 clamps as well as you have the Weight and I have the spring for tensioning. Good looking machine.
     
  5. Audiophile

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    Thanks! Actually, when I ordered this machine way back when, I wanted the single action clamps. However, I was told they wouldn't have them for another month or two and I couldn't wait. So, I ended up with these. They have been fine though. I love the tensioning system. It sure beats the old drop weight I used to string on, where the bar had to be exactly horizontal everytime!!
     
  6. 7zero

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    ML100 ordered and on the way. May I ask for proud membership now, or only after first string job done? :) can't wait for it to be here..
     
  7. 7zero

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    ML100 + T92 + Concorde. Learning to use it.
     
  8. 10SDad

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    You have been added to the club!
     
  9. BlxTennis

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    That's a very nice set up. The last stringing machine you ever need.
     
  10. 7zero

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    Thanks! It is pleasure to play with it. I am just not having enough frames to string recently..
     
  11. BlxTennis

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    I enjoy using this machine so much that I string my friends racquet for free if they provide the string. I don't have the concorde system. Would be cool if you take some photo showing the usage of the corcorde.
     
  12. 7zero

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    Yeah, I just have begged my friend who orderered new racket from TW, not to order stringed from TW and let me do the job. I will do some pictures when using Concorde next time.
     
  13. 7zero

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    First O-port string job done. With locked table it was just a breeze. From the start clamps were slipping but I tighten em up a bit and then no problem - could it be because multis are softer? It was Wilson sensation 1,3 and clamps were set from last job for poly 1,25?
     
  14. TennisCJC

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    OK, don't get me wrong because I love my machine but I have the 5 point mount system just like the pictures above in post 203 except my machine is a table top. Does anyone else wish the machine had suspension mounts? Granted the Stringway mounts are good if you take the time to seat the racket properly by adjusting the base for length, height of the turning mounts, and tightening everything down properly. But, it takes more time and you have to be precise to get all 5 mounts seated properly, making good contact with the frame, and everything tight. I think some of the Gamma's, Bab's and Wilson's with suspension mounts are faster and just as good.

    Anyone else wish their Stringway had modern suspension mounts?

    By the way, my machine is an old LaSerFibre but it is the same as the current Stringway machines. Exact same base, clamps, and tension head as pictures above but table top model.
     
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  15. Tennisist

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    Aren't these modern suspension mounts are just 2-point?
    I guess they are much harder on a racquet than what Stringway has now. I wonder if they could improve their 5-points instead? 4 suspension type pullers ?... 2 pullers + inside braces...?
     
  16. 10SDad

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    This is about a very fundamental choice Stringway made between having a DIRECT or INDIRECT support system.

    http://imageshack.com/a/img291/987/stressinracquet.jpg

    The stress on the racquet is greatest when all the mains are tensioned. This tension makes the hoop shorter and wider. The direct supports support the racquet directly against the forces of the mains.

    With outside supports the force of the support has to be transferred to the position of the mains. This causes bending/stress in the racquet. Because the 12 o’clock support on 6-point machines is typically very narrow, the bending/stress is very high at this location.

    So the stress in the racquet is lower on the SW system than on 6-point systems. Stringway did sell a 5-point support with a fast clamping system in the nineties, but most stringers found it to be too expensive.
     
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    Video of Concorde System Installation

    The Stringway agent in Japan has made a great video on installation of the Concorde System. The video narrative is in Japanese, but as they say, pictures are worth a thousand words. Videos, even more.

    A big thanks to Stuart Lee who made the video, and to Fred at Stringway for passing the information along.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeSV0MMeEGU
     
  18. rhaudiogeek

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    EM450: Wobbly Tension Arm

    Folks,

    My EM450 has developed a strange issue when pulling tension. The Tension Arm wobbles (kind of like a serpentine's tail) when pulling tension on a string.

    The problem started showing up after I finished stringing with natural gut for the very first time on this machine.

    Anyone had similar experiences with the EM450 and can provide some insights?

    Have sent an email to Mark (Alpha) for a resolution, but has been more than a week with no updates.

    Thanks !
     
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    EM 450 Wobbly Tension Arm - Issue Addressed

    Thanks to Fred / Mark the issue has been addressed.

     
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    EM 450 Wobbly Tension Arm - Issue Addressed

    Both Mark and Fred were travelling and couldn't respond to my issue earlier. Will post the solution if Fred / Mark approve of it.

     
  21. Peppershaker

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    Concorde?

    I have had my ML100 for several years, and before the Concorde system. Appears from the recent video that my model is not upgrade-able due to the base not having the square hole pre-drilled.

    I still very much enjoy my machine (w/T98 Clamps), but would like to pursue the Concorde. Some racquets having 360 degree rotation when starting the mains would be nice. If it was an upgrade for my machine I'd just go ahead and purchase. Seems as if the only way to get this would be to purchase a new machine and sell mine. Biggest issue is I have never heard or seen anyone say that they like it or if they had any problems with it. Also seemed as if from the video that the left piece was only held on by two-sided tape (or did I miss something).

    Purchasing machines never having an opportunity to first see or use them is difficult. Anyone out there with comments (good or bad) on the Concorde that you can share?
     
  22. marco forehand

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    I have only had experience with Stringway machines that have the Concorde system. I like it very much.
    Having said that I believe that there is no "perfect" stringing machine and that one of the things a good stringer does is work around whatever "imperfections" their machine has.
    If you decide you want to upgrade, consider asking Mark (at Alpha) if you can order a new frame along with the Concorde upgrade.
    Hope that helps.
     
  23. 7zero

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    I am relatively young stringer and I only strung at ML100 with Concorde. I can not say anything bad about it, it is a bit funny feeling from start to get used to "bump" rollercoaster ride like when first couple of times turning it around, but I got used to it quite fast. BTW how electronic stringing machines solve this throat strings pulling? It seems they have flat bad all around?
     
  24. Peppershaker

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    I have a backup Toalson seems that most 360 machines simply accommodate this by having the tensioning mechanism below the racquet frame.

    Not having a 360 isn't necessarily a distraction but having strung using both there are times it's a nice feature. more so some racquets when starting mains from the head to the throat.

    Stringing is a hobby for me so having this just adds to the process.
     
  25. 10SDad

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    Some food for thought. When the tensioning mechanism is located below the level of the stringbed, the downward pull creates friction between the grommet and the string, causing considerable loss of tension. The rougher the string and a the rougher rougher the grommet, the more tension accuracy is impacted.

    Stringway tensioners are designed to be on the same plane as the racquet frame so they pull the string straight through the grommet hole, effectively eliminating that type of friction. The Concorde system helps eliminate the issue of tensioning at the throat, where you have some strings tensioned while going over the handle.

    Here is a simple schematic showing the vertical pulling of a string against the grommet when the tension head sits below the frame.
    http://imageshack.com/a/img375/2713/frictionkl.jpg
     
  26. Peppershaker

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    Yes that is why the concorde system is of interest. Is not necessarily so that the machine has 360 rotation, it's to address the clearance issue when stringing the 1st two mains.

    Although brings up one other question....why go over the throat of the racquet on a sw machine w/o concorde when you can just as easily go under the handle? have gone under (as well as over) without noticable difference and actually prefer under.
     
  27. Jacklondon00

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    Hello everyone, I used to own a Stringway M50 with a T92 rail system. It was a second hand purchase and was in ok condition, although not perfect, I managed to mitigate the drawback on the clamps with practice to nearly zero, and I loved using the machine, although it was definitely a step below ML100.

    In fact, I was the one who recommended the Stringway to 10SDad a few years ago after he bought a pair of Ti Radicals from me. He seems to be pretty happy with his purchase and I am happy it worked out for him.

    I had to sell my M50 prior to moving back to the States, so now I am looking to purchase an ML100. These things are impossible to find used, (honestly I can't think of another item that is harder to find used), so I might have to bite the bullet and buy a new one next month.

    I am going to buy the basic model with the flying clamps, I feel that these have the best quality/price ratio. I have strung just over 2000 rackets (most of which were on the Prince Neos 1000 also with rails), so I have never used flying clamps in my entire "stringing career" I am sure I will learn quickly, but I had a question with regard to the double vs triple clamp. I have read through the entire thread but could not find the answer.

    I would like to use the same type of clamps for the mains on both sides, and the triple clamps seem to have much less drawback. But it looks like I would still need to use a double clamp initially early in the mains because the triple clamps are too wide, so this seems to negate my plan of using just 2 triple clamps for the mains.

    With regard to the crosses, I always string one ahead while the other is under tension, so one triple clamp is enough. But I envision that it might not fit all string patters well in all locations and I would still need a double clamp in some spots.

    I saw a video of a frenchman stringing an entire racquet with just 1 double and 1 triple clamp, but I don't like the idea of using two different type of clamps when doing the mains due to different drawbacks.

    Should I upgrade to 2 triple clamps and 1 double clamp, or should I stick with the 2 double clamps and get 1 triple clamp? Do I even need a double clamp if I upgrade to 2 triple clamps? Seems like there are some spots where I would still need a double clamp for both the mains and the closes.

    Can some of you describe your experience stringing with either the double or the triple clamps, and with regard to these issues?

    Thanks for your help!
     
  28. Irvin

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    Just because there are three slots for strings does not mean you must clamp three mains. You could clamp two mains and a scrap piece of string
     
  29. eelhc

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    If you do any open pattern racquets you will want 2 triples for the mains. I love the Stringway flying clamps (Even though I have a Neos 1500, I still have some Triples).

    That said.. Someone should really make a beveled floating clamp that can account for an infinite string spacing variations without unnaturally pinching/stretching the strings.
     
  30. Jacklondon00

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    Thanks, that's pretty much what I though, I came across some extensive video footage of using a Stringway by a gentleman in Japan, he showed the way the clamps work and I was a bit concerned about the spacing in the open pattern racquets. I was actully thinking of trying out some Wilson Spin racquets eventually, and I am sure I will have people who bring me those sticks to get strung.

    I was thinking exactly the same thing about having an adjustible clamp that can do this, but I assume it's not so easy or Stringway would have made one. These clamps are already chunky to say the least, so incorporating another mechanism inside them would be tricky.

    I really dislike the idea of having to clamp and strech the strings out of their linear position, but I suppose I will have to get over it, just as long as I am consistent across the board it doesnt matter. There are too many variables when going between different machines, let alone different stringers, so this is just one of many.

    I found a way of starting the mains and using thr tripple clamps on both sides while keeping the tension the same across the board.
     
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  31. eelhc

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    The clamp spacing would not have to be adjustable. Just Beveled so it could account for practically any spacing. The middle section (the part that foes between the strings) would b V shaped and the outside sections would just clamp against the slope. Simple...
     
  32. Irvin

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    That would be the most impractical clamp ever. Think about it.
     
  33. eelhc

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    Yes I've thought about it... I don't what would be impractical about it.

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  34. volusiano

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    I just came across this thread. I've owned a LaserFibre MS200 DX since 2004 (bought second-hand from another owner). Can you add me to the owners' list in the first post? Thanks.
     
  35. 10SDad

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    Just added you volusiano. Welcome to the club!
     
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    How easy is it to take off the arm and put it back for easy storage of the ms200 tt?

    I read that this could be done, but I was curious if it was a 1 minute job or something that was a bit more complicated.
     
  37. 10SDad

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    If you are talking about simply removing the drop weight and lever, it is super easy and closer to 10 seconds. You can find it referenced in the user manual. http://www.stringway-shop.eu/WebRoot/ce_fr/Shops/262587/MediaGallery/ML10090__montage.pdf

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    Hey Jacklondon.

    The Ti’s were great, and yes, very happy with the ML100. My machine has the T98 clamp system, however as you can see from my photo in the initial post I also purchased one double clamp and two triple clamps, so I have and use both options depending on the scenario. I do use the flyers as much as possible due to excellent and consistent results.

    My main machine for the 10 previous years was a Klippermate, so I was very familiar with using flying clamps when I got the ML100. In fact, when I’m on the road I still take my Klippermate machine due to its size, but use the Stringway double/triple clamps instead of the stock Klippermate’s due to the ease of use, minimum drawback, and gentle clamping of the string by the SW clamps.

    If you’re only going to be using flying clamps, I highly recommend you get one double and two triple. You will find certain situations where the double is your best option, whether that be starting mains/crosses, fitting a tight spot, or finishing off. I don’t use it nearly as much as the triples, but for me it is worth the investment to have the double clamp option when I need it. Like you, I string one ahead on the crosses. I leave the previous string under tension and clamp off after pulling as much of the current string through as possible. I also use two clamps to hold my crosses. You'll find that at certain points in the crosses the triples will work great, but at other points the double is the one to use.

    Feel free to contact me directly if you want more detail or have specific questions about my usage of the flying clamps. I’m including a few pics for your reference.

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  39. Jacklondon00

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    Thanks, this is excatly what I wanted to know! I noticed you are using a starting method that leaves a little piece of string at the top without tension, I have been thinking about the best starting methods which would solve this, using a starting clamp and two tripple clamps to do the mains.

    I havent ordereder the machine yet, and will be busy the next few weeks, but after that will be back on here.
     
  40. 10SDad

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    FYI...the pics supplied are not of my machine, but are good illustrations of various uses of the clamps. When starting, I typically pull both of the first mains (easily done with the ML100), clamp off at the far end, and use a starting clamp at the near end (by the tension head) to maintain tension on the string/side I am not starting with. Sometimes I use a double flyer to start, and sometimes I use one of my fixed clamps. Although the initial pull of two strings does not generate full tension, the clamp gets set under some initial tension, and the starting clamp counter-balances that tension to minimize the need for a tighter clamping of the first string, and/or the possibility of slippage or string damage as the first few strings of the opposite side are tensioned.
     
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    Thanks 10sDad, that is so insanely easy that I am ashamed I never knew to do that.
     
  42. 10SDad

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    No worries. The main purpose of this thread is to share this exact type of information for the benefit of all Stringway users.

    FYI - I've found that lifting the tension arm very slightly allows the pin in the tension head to be removed/reinserted more easily. On my machine there is a bit of pressure on the tension head pin when the arm is in its resting position, but that is alleviated when the arm is raised just a small amount.
     
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    Joining the club with a ML90 with 1x double flying clamp and 2x triple flying clamp. :)

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    Featuring my little furry assistant - my pet rabbit :lol:
     
  44. Gut4Tennis

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    Ohh I love a good rabbit stew
     
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    You're not coming anywhere near my pet rabbits then :p
     
  46. 10SDad

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    Welcome to the club, oble! Perhaps your rabbit will become the new Stringway club mascot.
     
  47. hyperion99

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    Hi there 10SDad.
    Add me to the club .
    I have the Stringway ML 100 with T-92 clamps.
    I've had this machine for roughly 6 months and I really enjoy the machine and it's built like a tank.
     
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    You have to start teaching your assistant how to string and you're all set ;)
     
  49. 10SDad

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    Welcome hyperion99...you're in!
     
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    Thank you good sir.
    400th post!
     

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