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Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by 10SDad, Apr 19, 2013.

  1. onehandbh

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    If you travel with your stringer, you might consider using a black sharpie to mark the metal tension bar so that you won't need to bring the ruler.
     
  2. 10SDad

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    Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!
     
  3. 10SDad

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    Picked up a Sharpie last night at Walgreens when I was getting a ruler while waiting an answer. Was thinking the same thing, and great advice! Thanks so much.
     
  4. SC in MA

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    As a followup to your post, has anyone provided the cleaning and/or maintenance procedures anywhere ? It'd really be nice if there's a video out there somewhere.

    Anyway, I've owned my LF MS200tt with Single Action Clamps for around 8 years now. I only string for myself and I'm not a major string breaker so I don't do a lot of stringing, but I'm still very glad I bought it. It's a great machine.

    I've cleaned the rails and clamps on occasion, but I'd like to do a more thorough cleaning/maintenance job including cleaning the tension head, which I'm not sure how to do.

    Thanks for any info on this.
     
  5. Audiophile

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    I usually clean the tension head as well as the clamps with a cloth or thin piece of leather and a little alcohol. Over the years I've found that its a good idea to keep any residue from strings cleaned off the surfaces regularly. With properly adjusted clamps, it virtually eliminates any slippage. I wipe down my entire machine from time to time with a damp cloth and then immediately go back over it with a dry one.

    Of course, that's not official, just what I do and I've had good luck with it. :)
     
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    There is some very odd stuff in that review, IMO. My racquets shorten after stringing, but only do so after they come off the stringer--they "pop" off once I release the mounting clamps. To me, this is more a function of string construction/tension and racquet construction than anything to do with this stringer.
     
  8. splitstepcholla

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    Hello, fellow Stringway owners. I just purchased an ML120 with the T92 single-action clamps, and I seem to be running into the same issue encountered by rhaudiogeek earlier in this thread where the clamps don't move far enough to reach the innermost mains. Using the central head support as a reference point, they're not sliding in as far as 10SDad's clamps are here (even though he has T98s, I would think this dimension would remain the same). Here are some photos: http://imgur.com/a/7ERwN

    Am I doing something stupid, or could this potentially be an equipment issue? I emailed the vendor, and they said it's normal for the clamps to be angled there, but I'm not convinced that's true for the degree they have to be angled. I've watched Stuart Lee's videos and the starting mains look reasonably aligned in comparison to mine. Any light shed on the subject would be greatly appreciated!
     
  9. volusiano

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    I agree that it doesn't look right in your case. If that's normal, nobody would want to buy the single action option from Stringway. There has to be a way to adjust it. If not, maybe something was not installed right.

    Sorry I can't help, but just so you know, I have the double action clamp action and mine aligns just right.
     
  10. eelhc

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    No issues with center mains on these videos...

    https://youtu.be/ocprw2AmZAk
    Check 1:15

    https://youtu.be/2ySX_yfTpC4

    You will however not be able to reach and clamp the outside cross(es) on some frames due to the mounting platform getting in the way by design. This is a serious design flaw IMO.
     
  11. 10SDad

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    I have not had experience with the T92's, but looking at the video it appears that Lee's clamps are travelling farther inward on the rails compared to what your pics show. Why that is the case I cannot tell.
     
  12. volusiano

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    Well, I compared the videos posted by eelhc and the 2nd picture posted by splitstepcholla and I saw a very noticeable difference. That 2nd picture shows some kind of a metal block at the end of the sliding rail on the left side that would block the clamp from going a little bit further in. But the videos don't show this metal block, which would explain why Lee's clamps can travel a little bit further in.
     
  13. Overheadsmash

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    Love my ML-120, which is almost 5 years old now. I have the single action clamps, and do not have trouble with them, but do experience the same issues as you are talking about. I just move them as far as they will go and live with it. Also, only string for myself and my two high school kids so not critical.

    Graduating to a Babolat 5 star shortly though. Feel confident enough now to property handle a machine like that!
     
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    Yeah, eelhc's linked videos clearly show a different spacer block on the inside. Mine has an odd L-shaped block that does look like it could be impeding movement just enough. It's almost like they ran out of the block used on the outside of the rail and threw that on. :confused:

    In any case, thanks for the sanity check. I'll bring this up with the vendor.
     
  16. Maui19

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    I have the T92 clamps and they look quite different than yours. Mine move far enough to actually touch each other in the middle.
     
  17. its_me_leon

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  18. Technatic

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    New Stringway site

    Hi guys,
    The shop of our website crashed 2 months ago, simply because it was too old fashioned in relation to the software on the server.
    So we decided to upgrade to the best possible option.

    We are finishing the English site at the moment and if you are interested you can have a look.
    http://www.stringway-stringing-machines.com/

    Please let us know when anything is still missing,

    Thanks
    Fred T
     
  19. splitstepcholla

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    The mystery of the clamps not moving far enough is solved! Greg at NewTechTennis informed me that that the inner spacer blocks are no longer shipped installed as they need to be because of apparent breaking issues. So you have to unscrew the block with an allen wrench and re-mount it so the L part of the block fits into the track of the turntable (this prevents the clamp platform from rotating downward). This is simple enough, but there's no mention of it in the manual I received.
     
  20. volusiano

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    Glad to hear you solved the mystery. Goes to show how helpful this board is sometimes.
     
  21. splitstepcholla

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    Thanks, I appreciate everyone chiming in.
     
  22. elkwood

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    Add me to the list ms 100 with the 98 clamps and Concorde.
     
  23. Rafa'sWatch

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    I emailed stringway about prices and availability but received no response. Is there a place to online order these machines??
     
  24. Rafa'sWatch

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    Nevermind, duh.
     
  25. Technatic

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    Where did you send the email, we did not get any?

    In what country do you live?

    You can order directly from Alpha or from our new site

    http://www.stringway-stringing-machines.com

    Any questions just let me know through "contact stringway".

    FredT
     
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  28. Technatic

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    And for a very understandable reason because Jaycee Paris and I were banned years ago from this forum because we are Stringway reps.
    And TW did not permit suppliers to participate in the discussions except …………………………….

    I hope their opinion is changed now because I think it is fair when suppliers can add their opinion to the discussions as long as they do it in their own name and do not use the forum for promotional purposes.

    This could also add useful information to a lot of discussions which turn around in circles now.

    That is why I signed FredT now.
     
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  30. Tennis_dude101

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    Is there a Stringway distributor in Australia? :confused:

    TD
     
  31. Technatic

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    We had some but the pressure on the prices in Australia made it difficult for them to earn money.

    Since then we supplied a lot of machines to Australia directly.

    What is the issue or question?
     
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  32. Tennis_dude101

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    50 Euro's postage to post a 39 Euro triple flying clamp to Australia! :(
    That's a bit steep for me.

    TD
     
  33. Technatic

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    This is not the price to ship accessories.
    We are still filling in "outside Europe" shipping prices for the different products.
     
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  34. Rafa'sWatch

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    Just got my stringer in the mail and have run into a problem.


    The bolt is turned the wrong direction and I can't get it right. There's no turning it around. Please help.

    [​IMG]
     
  35. Rafa'sWatch

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    The tension unit has an eyebolt that's used to connect to the frame. The eyebolt is turned the wrong direction and I can't turn it hte right way. anyone run into this problem??
     
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    Count me in. Been using ML120 (with T92 clamps) for a little over a year now and I really like it. Also more recently bought the stringlab2 to measure what I am doing. And that gives valuable information!
     
  37. Technatic

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    Hi Rafa's,

    The bolt is assembled outside the housing and turned inwards so it should go back outwards.
    Move the eye of the bolt towards the housing and turn the bolt outwards through the farthest corner of the housing.

    Enjoy stringing on the machine.
    Fred
     
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  39. Rafa'sWatch

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    FIgured it out. Reached in with a needle nose and ever so slowly turned the nut off the screw then turned it upside down and the washer and things fell off. I'm sure its not supposed to be like that but whats done is done. Strung up two rackets with cheap polys to get the hang of it. Then just strung up a racket where I didn't want to mess up and finished it in an hour and a half and am very satisfied. :)
     
  40. Technatic

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    Tension ruler

    We get a request for the picture of the tension ruler every now and then, when people went on a trip without it or when they lost it.
    Hereby that picture.

    [​IMG]
     
  41. kkm

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    ^^Why do you not engrave the positions on the metal rod?
     
  42. Technatic

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    Because it is difficult to engrave the 3 different scales on the rod.

    And we would need to stock "kg" and "lbs" rods which is also not so practical.
     
  43. Slitch

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    If I'm stringing strings that tend to strecht a lot, I have to regrip the string. This takes up time and sometimes hurts my hands (if I'm doing a few rackets per day).
    I have an older ML100 with two double flying clamps

    Do you guys have any tips for stringing stretchy strings?

    My stringing "technique" (with mains) is as follows:
    1. Lift the arm with my right hand
    2. Double grip the string with my left hand (I always do this with multifilaments and gut) and hold the string
    3. Lower the bar in a constant pace
    4. Once the the bar bottoms out I lift it again and regrip
    5. lower the bar again with 2 fingers
    6. release the string with my left hand and remove the flying clamp
    7. once the pressure on my right fingers decreases I release the arm
    8. feed the opposite string (stringing crosses I count to 5)
    9. Clamp
    10. repeat
     
  44. TennisCJC

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    I have used Stringway for 8.5 years and have maybe bottomed out a hand full of pulls that required a re-pull. If it is a soft string that stretches a lot, I manually pull as much slack out before I set the string in the tension head. I simply pull it with my hand to get slack out and wrap it around the tension head while applying pressure. Then I use a slow drop until the arm stops. Works 99.999% of time without bottoming out.
     
  45. Technatic

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    Hi Guys,

    Maybe this advise may help:
    A string needs much less travel on the second pull, because all the remaining elongation that was removed with the first pull does not occur on the second one.

    So if you pull 2 times without extra "stretching by hand" the second pull will probably not bottom out.

    Of course the speed of pulling is important, because stretching stretchy strings needs time.\

    Important to understand is that strings which stretch more are not more elastic, the difference is in the remaining elongation.

    More remaining elongation also means more loss of tension.

    So it may be doubtful that very stretchy strings are good strings.

    In any case stretchy strings should be used on low tensions, which will also shorten the needed pull.

    Look at this list and you will see that the difference is not in the elastic elongation (the actual elasticity) but in the remaining elongation.

    http://www.stringway-nl.com/pdf/Stringtest2014-1 tot el-ENG.pdf
     
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  46. Slitch

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    Thank you, I will try pulling harder before regripping.

    This is what I do, but as I previously stated, it takes time, effort and sometimes pain.

    I agree 100% the speed of pulling is very important. I take great care in this to ensure optimal tension and tension maintenance.

    I understand the difference between elasticity and elongation. However, if one would strike a ball, the string would be elongated for short periods of time, caused by elasticity, and therefore lose tension, because the string will not be 100% the same length after its deflection. If the string isn't elongated optimal while stringing, it will have a impact on tension maintenance.Therefore it is, in my opinion, to strive for perfect elongation while stringing to reach the highest possible tension and tension maintenance of the string. edit: Stringing lower does not solve my problem, it is just a solution which causes different problems, like loss of control due to increase in stringbed deflection and thus power.
     
  47. Technatic

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    OF course you have to remove all the elongation during stringing, otherwise the SBS after stringing will be lower already.

    But as soon as you play with the new string the tension raises above the stringing tension, so the remaining elongation at that higher tension is developed, in little pieces because of the short hitting time.

    The remaining elongate (that does not recover) in a string is higher with higher tensions, as you see if you compare it from 20 to 30 and 30 to 40 kg in the list.

    So if you string stretchy strings at higher tensions the loss of tension during play will be bigger.

    The question might be: Why would you use stretchy strings at higher tension?

    Or is it not better to use more stable strings at higher tensions?
     
  48. Slitch

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    That sounds reasonable.

    I mostly string multifilaments and solid-core syn guts because of my customer base. Most are 45+ old and want a comfortable string.
    Some request higher string tensions because they like the feel. These are mostly flat hitter so a full poly or poly hybrid does not give them any advantage, only increases risk of injury.
     
  49. Rafa'sWatch

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    I'm using a stringway stringer and the tension head seems to be crushing the string. Its only at 56 lbs and when the clear Prince Premier Control gets tensioned and comes off the tension head its then white. Is this normal? Any help would be great. thx.
     
  50. Slitch

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    Yes, that is normal with some multifilaments. Double gripping solves this.
     

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