Subliminal Therapy - Delta/Dream Sleep Aides - Any Suggestions?

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  1. richw76

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    OK so I'm not generally a tree hugging hippy Type but I'm interested and not sure where to go, or what to buy.

    I was curious has anyone ever used one of these CD's that's supposed to help your mind enter REM sleep better/faster/longer?

    Their supposed to sound like white noise type waves crashing or meditation type music.

    When I started looking for that I also found some Subliminal CD's. They're supposed to make me loss weight, remember what I've studied better, become a better athlete, whatever.

    Anyone ever try this stuff? Is it more snake oil? It seems like there could be something to it. Even if it's a placebo effect the mind is powerful so maybe that's enough. If you think it will help, it really does? I don't know <Shrug>

    Oh and I know it's a little silly but try to keep the mocking to a low rumble ;-)
     
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    I did a lot of that in college; it works great for power naps and improving sleep/cutting down on need for sleep. For subliminal suggestion (as in losing weight), probably a placebo effect.

    There are ways to produce your own entrainment CDs. CoolEdit gives you the most flexibility, for example mixing ambient or soft instrumental music with "pink noise" coded with the stuff. It's pretty strong -- you can get kick into non-centered thinking, visualizations, loss of time and general OBE within 5-10 minutes or so.
     
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    Why would you want to enter REM sleep faster, and longer?? Severe depressive disorders are associated with exactly that -- shorter REM latency (about 30 minutes until the first REM period, rather than 70-90 minutes) and longer amounts of REM sleep. Nobody I know of believes that disrupting sleep architecture to try to lengthen REM is a good thing. You may wish to read the work of David Kupfer M.D. from U of Pittsburgh; he's been writing about this issue for a few decades. (Note -- where do you get your information? "Delta/dream" sleep is a meaningless term. Delta sleep is the slow wave sleep during which we generally don't dream, whereas most dreaming occurs during rapid wave REM sleep)
     
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    I have to admit all my knowledge on this subject came from 10 minutes of Google searches. Do you have any suggestions? I definitely don't want to pick up any more mood disorders.

    And tricky I think I'm going to try to find some of this "Pink Noise".
    you said it's good for power naps, how bout for a good nights sleep?
     
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  5. Sentinel

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    Good night's sleep:
    dark quiet room
    sleep early, before midnight.
    eat early, and not heavy.
    Pref sleep on left side at least for first half

    If you feel the need to meditate or anything, lie down and focus on breathing, or on feet and move slowly upwards. You'll fall asleep pretty fast this way.

    For some people, a warm bath/shower before sleeping helps.

    p.s. yes, I would avoid those CD's, have wasted money on them long back.
     
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    Bad idea. Don't let others put information into your sub-conscious mind. You wanna get good rest or be brainwashed?
     
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    It improves the quality of your sleep (realistically, it's difficult to actually drop into theta-level with the entrainment stuff unless you know how to visualize or meditate.) Head is much clearer in the morning. You can get by on an hour or 2 less if you must. If you do it, you want to concentrate on the swirling sound that's created it and concentrate on the "beats" that come out, similar to if you were working with a singing bowl or practicing chants among other practitioners.
     
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    Google sleep hygiene, that brings up some interesting information. Might help you. :)
     
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