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  1. goherd27

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    I know there is some debate on the safety of sunscreen. My question for those that use it, what have you found to be the most effective brand/kind in instances where you do play in the middle of the day and are sweating a lot?

    In researching other threads I see that people have used Neutrogena (this one always burns my eyes) and Banana Boat (have not tried it yet). My dermatologist recommended Blue Lizard and I have had some luck with Coppertone Sport and Elta MD Sport.

    Any other brands that people have had luck with?

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    I use badger its not cheap, it wont discolor whites, best I have found, water resist , uva/uvb, non nano zinc oxide,moisturizing, spf 30+.
     
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    Tried out the Neutrogena sport for the first time yesterday. It did not burn my eyes. I bought it because the generic brand I bought a few months does burn my eyes.
     
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  4. Dear Djordje

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    I like Coppertone Water Babies. Zinc Oxide sun screen won't sting your eyes and won't bleach clothes. It's quite thick so you have to smear it evenly, or you'll look like Wawrinka.
     
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    I like the spray on stuff that dries really fast. Any brand will do for me.
     
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    Been using BananaBoat for about 15 years, doesn't sting eyes and seems to work and stay on.
    Don't seem to use it for tennis though.
     
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    Rafter used to smear it on thick as well. I think it's a good look, war paint, ready to do battle.
     
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    Maybe she was studying to become a mime after tennis...:)
     
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    I use Banana Boat Sport 50 and it is great.
    It stays on for hours.
     
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    Neutrogena is terribly ineffective for sun protection. I tried using it for a daytime road trip. I applied in the morning and reapplied mid day. I was still sunburned at the end of the day after spending the day inside of a car. This was with SPF 45.


     
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    Looks badass...

     
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    You got sunburned in a car? Hopefully it was a convertible.
     
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    HAHA Thats nothing. A few years ago he alos got a terrible sunburn while sleeping in a cave.
     
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    Dermatology association say ALL of above have Cancer causing agents in it. So only thing safe and Excellent is something with ZINC oxide in it.

    #1 doctor recommended CERA VE spray on or rub on works great and best. Also California Baby zinc oxide rub on is good too. These are the only Safe sunscreens in the market. Mark my words.
     
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    Anyone tried the CERA VE sunscreen ?
     
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  19. Chopin

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    This is a very interesting topic. As some of you know, some toxicologists and other researchers have expressed concerns about sunscreen, with the Environmental Working Group being very critical of ingredients such as Oxybenzone. On the other hand, the American Academy of Dermatology says such ingredients are safe, but they have certain financial relationships with cosmetic companies.

    My problem with sunscreen is this: if someone burns easily without sunscreen, that's a sign that he should limit his sun exposure. It's troubling that the same person might turn to sunscreen and assume he can now spend lots of time in the sun. Of course, sometimes there's no helping it, but in using sunscreen you're subjecting yourself to chemicals, as well as possibly giving yourself a false sense of comfort.

    I think that people would be best suited by knowing their skin types, getting a little sun as needed, and covering up/staying out of the sun during peak hours. If someone burns very easily, is going to the beach or works outside, then they might have to use sunscreen more vigorously. I'll say, though, that if people wanted to cover up at the beach and stay in the shade, they could--or even avoid the beach all together--but most people aren't willing to do that. There are always trade offs and this is far from a clear-cut issue.

    *Of course, this is only my opinion, as a non-expert*

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  20. Chopin

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    Just a little thought on the aging study: That the sun ages the skin is well-known...that sunscreen reduces wrinkles is...unnatural. Aging skin and wrinkles are normal.
     
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    ^^ wrinkles are indeed normal and natural, but certain factors are known to lead to increased and more premature wrinkling. Excessive sun exposure and cigarette smoking are two examples.
     
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    Easy to say when your skin doesn't look like crepe paper.

    I find the Neutorgenia spray to provide excellent protection, but it really stains clothing. Coppertone Sport is what I'm using now, but I'd like something that protects and dries dry. FWIW, I live in the south and use it every day.

    I'm going to look into Badger.
     
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    For playing tennis specifically, I would not use any goop on my face since eventually it will end up in my eyes. I either play at the crack of dawn or use a hat or use nothing.

    For arms etc I use whatever is lying around, who cares?
     
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    I like California Baby - its hard to rub in though compared to the chemical kids.. Still doesn't seem to sting eyes and it works. Its also okay with the EWG last I checked..
     
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    Blue Lizard for the win!!
     
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  27. Chopin

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    Cigarette smoking isn't a part of our natural environment though. I'm not saying people shouldn't use sunscreen--not saying that at all--I'm pointing out that it's not the solution and that it has its own dangers.
     
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  28. Chopin

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    I just purchases some Badger the other day. The packing and ingredient list sounds good, but I haven't tried it yet.
     
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    My doc (I'm a vet of basel cell, squamous and now melanoma) advises that sunscreen does virtually nothing for basel cell and/or melanoma and is very effective for squamous. Sloan Kettering. You'll prolly read about it soon, somewhere...

    Anyhow he also says you can't stop having a life; try to limit sun exposure 10a to 2p, wear clothes to thwart sun (hats, shirts, rash guard in water/surf) and, yes, use good sunscreen. 30 is it (anything higher is an ad campaign) and no one should think sunscreen make you impervious to damage.

    Use common sense.
     
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    Btw - will also add - get your regular dermatological check ups.

    The extremely small, without merit, red spot doc took off my chest in a routine exam/biopsy turned out to be the big M. I've a seven inch Z now cut into my chest and I'm less two lymph nodes (ok otherwise...! hey, that's a beautiful thing...!).

    Really. Get checked. Melanoma is a killer and moves from your skin to other places (why I'm less nodes) - like your lungs.

    Ain't kidding around here...
     
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  31. Chopin

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    Thanks for sharing and best wishes to you. More people need to hear voices like yours.
     
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    Very kind - thanks.

    But they don't call cancer "The Emperor of All Maladies" for nothing...

    I've leaned a thing or two and I've my share of athletic injury; I'm humbled; heed the advice team.
     
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    California baby is the BEST. but the zinc oxide will make your face White. it will wash off when you take a shower though. and Don't buy that CeraVE stuff, it is NOT invisible Zinc. It is White paste just like California baby.:)
     
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    I'm impressed by the quality of discourse in this thread and the knowledge of the posters involved.

    You're all honorary members of Club Chopin for the month of June.
     
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    There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal last month: 'European Sunscreen Roadblock on U.S. Beaches'

    This article finally led me to understand, why, as a European, I could never get these US-dominated sunscreen discussions on this board.

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    Eight sunscreen ingredient applications have been pending before the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for years—some for up to a decade—for products available in many overseas countries. The applications were filed through the federal TEA process (time and extent application), which allows the FDA to approve the ingredients if they have been used for at least five years abroad and have proved effective and safe. A spokeswoman for the FDA said federal law prevents the agency from disclosing information about applications under review.

    New labels that first surfaced in December are appearing on U.S. sunscreens for the first time when people most notice them, as summer gears up. They're designed to help consumers find "broad-spectrum" products that protect from both ultraviolet B and A rays. But some say U.S. brands are limited by the lack of long-range UVA filters, or sunscreen ingredients, not allowed by the federal government.

    Henry Lim, chairman of dermatology at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit and a member of the American Academy of Dermatology, says multiple UVA filters still awaiting clearance in the U.S. have been used effectively outside the country for years.

    "The U.S. is an island by itself on this one," he said. "They're available in Canada, available in Europe, available in Asia, available in Mexico, and available in South America."

    Both UVA and UVB rays contribute to skin cancer, but the damage caused by UVA rays is harder to measure. UVA filters block the rays from the sun that penetrate deep into the skin, causing collagen to break down, resulting in wrinkles. They also are a possible cause of melanoma, the deadliest of skin cancers, and may impact the immune system.

    In the U.S., the main chemical UVA filters are benzophenones, such as oxybenzone, and avobenzone. Chemical filters largely work by absorbing the sun's rays.

    Experts say oxybenzone has a number of shortcomings. It can cause allergic reactions and studies have found that it is absorbed and detected in the blood stream and could possibly affect some hormone levels. It also only absorbs only a shorter form of UVA rays.

    Meanwhile, avobenzone can break down in sunlight, experts say, and reduces the potency of octinoxate, a UVB filter common in the U.S., when combined with it.


    In the UK, at least, you have a star rating system for UVA protection (1 to 5 stars) in addition to the SPF (which measures UVB protection only).

    It seems as if the US is way behind in this regard.
     
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    If it's a hot day, I'm wearing a hat. So I don't get the running in the eyes issue. I generally use a minimum of SPF 30 and haven't had a sunburn ever playing tennis because I always put plenty on. I usually get caught out when it's not too hot, but it's windy. This combo seems to give me the worst sun/wind burns.
     
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    Hats don't offer a ton of protection though.. It's a shame some ridiculous high coverage hat doesn't become stylish..
     
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    These are all the rage at my club:

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    What's that hat called? Could be used for boating and outdoor situations.
     
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    Never wear sunscreen, I never burn.

    Sun is also far to weak at 50°N.
     
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    I've had good luck using some of the different sport sunscreen lotions over the years along with wearing hats on sun days. When I'm going to play tennis in the sun for exercise with friends, what I've typically done is after around 15 minutes of hitting I'll rub some lotion on to keep from burning.

    I think obtaining some vitamin D from sun exposure is important for improving health, but additionally also don't want to burn myself.

    Along those lines, saw the other day an interesting article about sensible sun exposure, health benefits seen from that, and melanoma risks. What caught my attention is how the majority of melanomas show up on parts of the body that rarely if ever experience sun exposure.

    "How does sunlight cause melanomas on the soles of the feet?"

    http://www.drbriffa.com/2013/06/11/how-does-sunlight-cause-melanomas-on-the-soles-of-the-feet/
     
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    When I lived in Los Angeles, I had to wear sunscreen, even for short walks to the bus stop! Going for a walk or bicycling, it was mandatory.

    As a general rule of thumb, you want to avoid the sun between 10 AM and 4 PM in the summer.
     
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