Sure Federer - Nadal rivalry would be the GREATEST If FEDERER won a few???

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by wow246, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. wow246

    wow246 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2009
    Messages:
    56
    i mean yea you know you see good rally's and stuff but it's one sided. Federer has to start winning a few matches for it to be called a rivalry.
     
    #1
  2. tennis-hero

    tennis-hero Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,090
    Location:
    uk
    up untill 2008 it was 8-6 in favor of Nadal

    in 07 Fed was really the only person to beat Rafa on clay (Rafa lost to Ferrerro afterwards but it was only because he was in a wheelchair)

    up untill the start of the 2008 season, Federer really had a serious chance of beating Rafa in the h2h

    Rog didn't just break Rafa's 81 game winning streak on clay- he bagled him doing it, it was amazing

    the thing is, to win on other surfaces Rafa has had to become more agressive, thats counter productive to winning on clay- what im saying is that maybe by winning on HCs and grass his clay game is getting weaker and that 06 Federer (who took him to the epic 5 setter in rome 06) would beat Rafa at the FO

    Rafa probably wont win the FO so easily in 09 as he did in 08 because it looks like he already is having severe knee problems and the season has just started
     
    #2
  3. Gen

    Gen Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    586
    Overall H2H: 13-6
    Slam H2H: 4-2
    2008-2009 H2H: 5-0.
    Federer sure has all the weapons to beat Nadal. Statistics proves it. And 2008 thrashing in RG definitely proves that Nadal's clay game is deteriorating.

    He doesn't have severe knee problems. Wishful thinking again. He had a minor wrick in Rotterdam final which took several hours to cure completely. It is published all over the world. Too bad that federer fans are limited even in terms of their reading.
     
    #3
  4. MizunoMX20

    MizunoMX20 Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    152
    I agree that Federer has to start winning a few confrontations with Rafa soon to still call this a rivalry. But the fact remains that these two players stand head and shoulders above the rest come the big occasions, so for that reason, you may still call it a rivalry in my opinion.
     
    #4
  5. shazbot

    shazbot Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2008
    Messages:
    410
    Location:
    MA
    Obvious troll is obvious.
     
    #5
  6. DarthFed

    DarthFed Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2008
    Messages:
    4,468
    Location:
    Queens, NY
    my definition of a Rivalry is different from all of yours, my definition of a rivalry is when the encounters are close (sans the french) and they've played more that 10 times
     
    #6
  7. AVTENNIS

    AVTENNIS New User

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    19
    Fed may not be winning many anymore but he is not in his prime anymore and he has had plenty of wins over nadal i wouldnt say he needs to start winning more.. i think nadal will soon have a new rival for the top possibly djoko or murray
     
    #7
  8. pound cat

    pound cat G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    13,743

    I thought exactly like you, so I looked up the word rivalry and a rivalry occurs when 2 people are trying to achieve the same goal (s)


    So Federer and Nadal are indeed rivals.


    And technically speaking I guess so are all sports men who play individual sports.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2009
    #8
  9. cknobman

    cknobman Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    5,994
    Location:
    Saudi Arabia
    Federer has already one a few not like its 12-2 or something.

    GET A LIFE!!
     
    #9
  10. heninfan99

    heninfan99 Legend

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2008
    Messages:
    7,051
    If you take away clay it is a great rivalry. It's not like Fed is getting blown away on the other surfaces. Of course, the five setters have been very close. Just a few points difference between the two.
     
    #10
  11. vbranis

    vbranis Professional

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,136
    Location:
    Palm Springs, CA
    #11
  12. VivalaVida

    VivalaVida Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    2,958
    ROFL.
    [​IMG]
    more annoying than anything on this forum is fan boy bragging about his players achievements as if they are his own. Epic fail
     
    #12
  13. edmondsm

    edmondsm Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2005
    Messages:
    6,902
    Location:
    In an in between place.
    LMFAO. That is a beautiful thing you just posted sir.

    Anyway, the Federer Nadal rivalry can never be great because they are to far apart in age and they peaked at different times. When Federer was dominating, Nadal couldn't get far enough in the hardcourt slams to challenge. When Nadal finally got there (just this year) Federer was not quite his former self.

    Kind of like if you compare say Becker and Agassi. On paper Andre dominated, but that's not really fair because Becker hit the scene before he did.
     
    #13
  14. saram

    saram Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2007
    Messages:
    5,371
    LMFAO. HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
    #14
  15. Gugafan

    Gugafan Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2007
    Messages:
    3,951
    Location:
    Birmingham, England
    Fair point...but Federer is 27 not 30 and at times people are quick to undermine Nadals efforts by suggesting 'Federer is well past his prime'...You would expect a 27yr old considered GOAT by many, to be able claw back the head to head to make it more respectable, especially outside clay.
     
    #15
  16. VivalaVida

    VivalaVida Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2009
    Messages:
    2,958
    :p thanks guys! I find that picture to be a very accurate representation of hardcore fanboys.
     
    #16
  17. miyagi

    miyagi Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,261
    LOL....I like your idea although I think it is wrong.

    You may remember Nadal played his best EVER F.O last year and still managed to win Wimbledon. Not to mention the olympics which everyone forgets....

    I think he is smart enough to be able to adjust his game back to suit clay as he has been playing on it since 4?

    Most importantly Roger of 06 is no longer about and it is 09 I don't think he stands much chance of beating Rafa on anything right now, not down to ability or skill but rather pyschological issues.

    Not to say that Fed could never win but at this stage it is unlikely.....but I can't wait to see them go at it again...

    Would love to see another encounter like Rome
     
    #17
  18. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,959
    Location:
    New York
    The slam head to head is actually 6-2 (4 times at RG, 1 W, 1 AO for Rafa).
     
    #18
  19. OddJack

    OddJack Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2009
    Messages:
    9,585
    Location:
    South
    .

    A fool goes back to its folly like a dog goes back to its vomit.

    did your other id crapped out?
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2009
    #19
  20. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,959
    Location:
    New York
    By the way, only 17 players won a slam at 27 and older in open era, they are:
    Rosewall 37,2
    Gimeno 34,10
    Agassi 32,8
    Ashe 31,11
    Laver 31,1
    Sampras 31
    Connors 31
    Newcombe 30,7
    Gomez 30,3
    Korda 30
    Lendl 29,10
    Ivanisevic 29,9
    Becker 28,2
    Muster 27,8
    Vilas 27,4
    Kodes 27,4
    Federer 27,2
    The number after the coma is months, I gave the age at which they won their last slam. That leaves 32 players in open era who won slams but could never win any after 26 or younger. Not that easy in the end! (of course Federer's data will probably continue to evolve...)
     
    #20
  21. edmondsm

    edmondsm Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2005
    Messages:
    6,902
    Location:
    In an in between place.
    Yes, Federer is far from a helpless old lamb these days. However, one lost step makes a world of difference in the modern game. You have to admit that the rivalry probably would have been much juicier if Nadal had been making USO finals 04'-07'.

    Take Sampras and Hewitt/Safin. Sampras was about Fed's current age when those two youngsters whooped his hiney in the USO final. He was still good enough to make GS finals, but in those instances youthful bodies and exhuberance prevailed. Now match up Hewitt/Safin against Pete in 93'-95', totally different story.
     
    #21
  22. tahiti

    tahiti Professional

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2008
    Messages:
    840
    Interesting data on the ages.
     
    #22
  23. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,959
    Location:
    New York
    Thanks :). Now a quiz: who are the 7 players (open era) who won slams before the age of 20?
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2009
    #23
  24. edmondsm

    edmondsm Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2005
    Messages:
    6,902
    Location:
    In an in between place.
    Sampras
    Hewitt
    Safin
    Nadal
    Becker
    Chang
    Wilander

    Did I get it?
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2009
    #24
  25. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,959
    Location:
    New York
    You're right about 4 of them! Not bad :). Here is the list:
    Chang 17,3
    Becker 17,7
    Wilander 17,9
    Borg 18
    Nadal 19
    Sampras 19,1
    Edberg 19,10
    Even though Hewitt was extremely precocious and won his first title at 16,11, he had to wait until 20,6 for his first slam. Safin won his at 20,7 (but first title at 19,7). McEnroe won his first slam at 20,6 (first title at 19,7).
    Another quiz: which players won a slam as their first title ever?
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2009
    #25
  26. danb

    danb Professional

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2005
    Messages:
    1,445
    Location:
    California
    Agreed.
    13-6 down to Rafa doesn't go along with GOAT status nor with the term rivalry...
    At this point Rafa owns Fed (spank-spank).
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2009
    #26
  27. veroniquem

    veroniquem Bionic Poster

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Messages:
    30,959
    Location:
    New York
    It's not just who wins that makes a great rivalry. Even though the same player has won the last 5 encounters I still find their matches exciting and rewarding. Both W (2007 and 8) and AO finals were 5 setters with drama and tension. They also played Miami and Rome finals in 5 spellbinding sets in the past, several 3 setters on clay. I completely enjoy their matches.
     
    #27
  28. 380pistol

    380pistol Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2008
    Messages:
    1,903
    Wilander. And I think Chang as well. You should open a thread just to ask these type of questions.
     
    #28
  29. tahiti

    tahiti Professional

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2008
    Messages:
    840
    We were around when Rafa won only RG.
    Only on other forums. We hung in there...
    And we accomplished :)
     
    #29
  30. THERAFA

    THERAFA Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    295
    He missed Rome last year with injury and:
    We
    Know
    What
    Happened
    After
    That
     
    #30
  31. Aabye

    Aabye Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Messages:
    1,281
    I prefer this definition better, from Dictionary.com:
    a person or thing that is in a position to dispute another's preeminence or superiority

    This is the case, because if Nadal wasn't there, everyone would probably say Fed's the GOAT. But because Nadal is here, a lot of people are starting to question whether Fed could ever be GOAT.

    But as long as their matches keep us on the edge of our seats until the last point, I'll be happy to call it a rivalry.
     
    #31
  32. henryshli

    henryshli Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2009
    Messages:
    733
    Technically one could argue that Federer and Nadal belong to different generations. Let's see what Nadal does when he is 27.....
     
    #32
  33. GameSampras

    GameSampras Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2008
    Messages:
    4,689
    Ive said that for quite a while now. There is still a 5 years difference between them. Put 22-23 year old Nadal inthe 04-07 era and watch his dominance over not only the field by Fed himself
     
    #33
  34. pound cat

    pound cat G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    13,743

    Here's what the Oxford English dicitonary says... • noun 1 a person or thing competing with another for superiority or the same objective. 2 a person or thing equal to another in quality:


    And I always trust the OED. LOL


    I'm not sure what Nadal wants. I think he is just one achievement at a time right now,
     
    #34
  35. tennis_hand

    tennis_hand Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    Messages:
    4,427
    btw, i think some of us are bored of their matches,
    including me.
     
    #35
  36. THERAFA

    THERAFA Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2009
    Messages:
    295
    Rather than beating Federer I'd say beating Murray at the US Open would feel like a greater win:
    For
    Me
    Personally
     
    #36

Share This Page