Surely Wawrinka has the best 1hbh in the mens game...

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  1. Gugafan

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    After watching his performance against Murray, it has to be the most offensive 1hbh in the mens game...Great at slice, passing shots and has the ability to step in and hit above waist height balls for winners. Wawrinka was generating way more pace off the backhand than Murray, who himself dictates most players with his 2hbh.

    One of the many amazing bh's he hit in the match against Murrry. (1.12)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXn4x8lV92s
     
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  2. fed_the_savior

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    gasquet, federer, arguably better
     
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    I'll take GAsquet for 500, Alex
     
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    There is this guy called Federer.
    Another one called Almagro
     
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    Gaudio, Pavel, Haas, there are many who can crush a 1 hander. But lack variety.
     
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    i like it. but gasquet's is sweet . . . when he isn't standing 5,000 feet behind the baseline and is actually taking a cut at the ball.
     
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    Also OP your namesake wasn't bad :)
     
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    I was mightily impressed by that shot... Wawrinka was really playing above himself though. I think he'll lose to Querrey.
     
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    Gasquet, Wawrinka, Montanes
     
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    it will truly be an epic battle...of men with horrible skin.


    My money is on Querry. Bad skin aside, Stan is at least cute.
     
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  11. Gugafan

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    Almagro and Haas have a quality 1hbh but nowhere near as good as Wawrinka. Gasquet has a great one hander, but to me he struggles against high balls and retreats too far behind the baseline. He's DTL is a killer though. Wawrinka's rally ball is just abit more penetrating and flatter.

    Someone needs to upload the full highlights reel from the match against Murray.

    Top 3 (active players):
    1.Wawrinka
    2.Gasquet
    3.Youzhny/Federer
     
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    I agree that the Wawrinka BH is very impressive. Still would give the blue ribbon ro Gasquet tho' -- his BH is downright magical.
     
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    Gasquet takes such a huge swing and has such a big windup that his backhand is very inconsistent compared to Wawrinka. If I had to choose it's Wawrinka; steadier, more consistent in rallies, and just as good in terms of pace and placement. Gasquet may be able to do a few more tricky shots with his backhand, but I think Wawrinka drives it alot better consistently.
     
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  14. DeShaun

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    Dudi Sela's 1hbh is really nice too. He's fearless with that thing.
     
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    There is no greater site in tennis than someone playing a full blooded 1 hand back hand (aka real man's backhand). The most impressive match for a 1hbh I have seen would have to be Almagro v Nadal in a final earlier this year - Almagro won the first set and just smashed winners of the back hand so easily.

    Federer's isn't far behind, especially the angled flick he loves to do... very niiice.
     
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  16. Feña14

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    For me, Calleri used to have the best. I'd agree with you and say Wawrinka is the best these days.
     
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  17. Solomnstr

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    Yeah. I wanna say his is the best. Sure there are guys that can hit it harder. But since when does that mean everything in tennis? Wawrinka has the best balance of power, consistency and variety.
     
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    I'd kill to see a match between each other (the three of them: Almagro, Gasquet, Wawrinka)
     
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    Federer has gone way down imo, even below Youzhny!

    Nowadays a Federer topspin/flat backhand opener or winner has become so rare and exotic that you might as well put it up on the list of endangered stroke-species.
     
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    Wawa rocks ... but on a good day Kohl, Magro ... can be good. I've even once seen Robredo (against Kolya) hitting very well.
     
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    Gasquet seems to make it work most of the time. However, it is not a style that most should emulate. For a style to use as a model, I'd be tempted to go with something closer to Wawrinka, Federer or Henin. When I teach the 1-hander, I actually demonstrate a more conservative version than these pros use.

    I go with "airing the armpit" and finishing with the (old school) racquet going forward & upward rather than employing a finish that has the racquet ending up way off to the right (with generous front shoulder movement and an extra "wrist" action). Once the student learns to execute the 1-hander with a limited torso rotation -- the torso rotation stops as the forward swing commences -- then I'll add that extra movement of the front shoulder (by expanding the chest or by squeezing the shoulder blades together). I never do teach the extra wrist action that some pros employ -- if it happens and it works consistently (w/o pain), then I consider it a non-issue.
     
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    do you really want to kill for this match?. Violence has no place in tennis ;)

    NAlmagro leads 2-0 against RGasquet.
    RGasquet leads 1-0 against Swawrinka
    Swawrinka leads 3-1 against Nalmagro.
     
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    ack, from what i remember i've not enjoyed seeing 2 one handers play one another, even though i eagerly anticipated it (in the recent couple of years)

    I somehow enjoy the combination of 2h vs one hander more esp if they are both right handers.
     
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  24. sureshs

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    Stan, Gasquet, Youzhny

    Federer - higher swingspeed which works when it does, otherwise unreliable
     
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    Federer by far. You don’t win 16 slams as a baseliner with just a forehand. Think about it. He can do anything with it. Block it, topspin rally, flatten it for a drive, aggressive underspin, flick it while on defense.. Nobody has the variety on their backhand like Federer does.
     
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    Watched Youzhny today, and his backhand is really solid. What makes it so strong is the variaty of strokes. He can hit nice topspin angles and his slice backhand is really digging.
     
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  27. sureshs

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    Actually, Fed is proof that you do.
     
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    Fixed.....
     
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    Actually not true. In fact, most people focus on hitting to Fed's backhand and yet he still won 16 majors. Which shows that his backhand is actually quite good.
     
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    Gasquet's backhand makes me high. It's the good stuff :)
     
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    Youzhny used to be a two hander and still he sometimes carries his left arm through the stroke. Effective though
     
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    agreed, everyone used to think that was his weakness, if they did they had another thing coming.
     
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  33. federalprassi

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    indeed, I see its working.
     
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  34. sureshs

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    It shows his serve and forehand are very good
     
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    That is a given. But that the majority of the shots from opponents go to his BH, and he certainly does not run around everyone, in fact if you watch the matches almost half the shots he takes with his BH and yet he still managed to win 16 slams. That shows his BH can hold its own.
     
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  36. sureshs

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    But Stan/Youzhny/Gasquet look comfortable hitting theit BH whereas Fed seems to barely make it.
     
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  37. The_Missionary

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    Just because a BH 'looks' comfortable does not make it effective. Roger has so many more variations on depth, spin, speed, which you just can't see on TV so easily. Only the opponents notice these things....to the tune of 16 slams.
     
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    Lots of great one handers listed. In better days, I'd throw Blake and Haas in the mix, as well.

    But, Santa Claus does have a great bh. Not afraid to pull the trigger at anytime.

    And.... Don't call me Shirley.
     
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  39. Jonny S&V

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    His backhand is good, but not nearly as consistent as many of the aforementioned players. Fed won all of his slams based on how his serve set up his forehand and his ridiculous defense to offense transition. Backhand winners from time to time was just icing on the cake. Gasquet, Guga, Wawrinka, Youzhny, and many others backhands out-match Federer's day-in/day-out, but if all the players were zoning with their backhands, my ranking would go like this:

    1. Gasquet
    2. Federer
    3. Guga

    Day-in/day-out, the rankings would go like this:

    1. Guga
    2. Youzhny
    3. Wawrinka

    This is just a list of players off the top of my head, there are others with amazing one-handers that I'm missing I'm sure.
     
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  40. The_Missionary

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    ^^^ I think you're looking too much at his BH of late. His BH was awesome from 04-06 and better than any of those other guys day in day out.
     
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  41. The_Missionary

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    Moreover, a consistent BH does not necessarily translate to more effective.
     
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  42. Jonny S&V

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    I'm factoring in all of their backhands through their entire careers. None of the other guy's backhands have/did breakdown the way Fed's has, and that's due to the excessive wrist that he uses to impart topspin. If he just hit through the darn thing, he wouldn't worry as much.
     
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  43. Jonny S&V

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    I don't think I'm going to ever take you seriously, and you're pretty new (apparently)... Consistency combined with a heavy ball (aka Kuerten, Fed in his prime, Gasquet) far outweighs winners in any circumstance.
     
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  44. JediMindTrick

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    Federer has the best OHBH by far, and it's actually getting better. He destroyed Murray at the AO with his backhand. Murray has a pretty good BH himself, but he was completely outplayed in BH to BH rallies.

    The fact that he has problems against Nadal doesn't mean anything, Nadal is a phenom, everybody has problems against him.
     
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    The point is that definition of consistency simply means to be able to get it in time after time. I can easily tap in a backhand a hundred times in a row, it doesn't mean it won't get pummelled back each time. Federer's ability to hit winners and vary his BH is >> than the consistency of the BH of those other guys.
     
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    But the pace/heavyness of those other guy's backhands combined with their better consistency and placement (in adverse circumstances) makes their backhands better IMO.
     
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    The other guys do not have as much pace heaviness as Roger's BH. That's why Roger is able to hit more clean winners than those guys. Even when Roger hits non-winners, the pace is not less than the other guys.
     
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    Wawrinka's topspin BH is a great looking and consistent shot but overall I'd prefer Youzny's. Better slice, more variety.
     
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    If you had to make a running bh passing shot I'd take Roger's any day. He may not have the best rally bh but he has the most variety, spins and ability to creat shots out of nothing.

    And come to think of it, Henin would match up pretty well with the men. In a bh battle I'd place money on her.
     
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    People forget Roger used to hit screaming bh winners in his prime. There was no safe place to hit to him.
     
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