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  1. Speranza

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    "Wilander: Novak Slam The Greatest
    Mats Wilander, the 1982, ‘85, ‘88 champion, believes that if Djokovic were to hold all four major titles at the same time by lifting his first trophy on Parisian clay it would be equal to anything achieved in the sport’s history. “You’d have to put him straight up there with a [Bjorn] Borg, maybe Rafa [Nadal] too, just as an achievement. You couldn’t put him past Roger,” stated Wilander.

    Wilander said a Djokovic non-calendar year Slam would “easily” equal Laver’s 1969 calendar year feat. “It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make any difference (if it’s the same year). The thing about Rod Laver, three of them were on grass - so in that way, you can put four in a row and the calendar Grand Slam (together). They’re the same because they only played on two surfaces back then. Four in a row is what matters really.”


    http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/06/23/Roland-Garros-Tuesday2-Diary.aspx

    Watson: I say surprise as I'd have thought he'd have put the 4 in succession alongside anything Roger did, but I stand corrected as he doesn't seem to think that.

    I agree with him in that it not being in the same year makes no difference, and that it should be regarded as highly as Laver's, if Novak does it.
     
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  2. kishnabe

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    It worthless when Federer has the chance to hold win 4 majors in a row....but when it is Novak. It is equal to Laver.

    What a troll this Willander....
     
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  3. Speranza

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    Holmes: Really? When did he say this? It only adds to my surprise of what he's saying here, that if Novak does it, it doesn't put him above Federer's accomplishments.
     
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    10rolleyes
     
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  5. kishnabe

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    Sorry I spoke without reading the most important parts.
     
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  6. The Bawss

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    Lol, maybe Wilander is only a troll when commentating the AO.
     
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  7. tennis_pro

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    haha and you'd think you knew Wilander

    To be honest I expected something like "if Djokovic beats Federer in the SF he's a way better clay courter than him"
     
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  8. Clarky21

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    Wilander is a moron. Enough said.
     
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  9. billnepill

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    Enough with these comparisons. It would be a great achievement. It would be not greater or less significant than Laver's.

    And no, he won't be as great as Nadal or Borg yet. A few more slams and matches to be played and won...
     
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  10. Mike Bulgakov

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    I agree with Mats, who I think is a really smart guy regarding tennis. I have a lot of respect for him. Novak, Roger, or Rafael could achieve amazing records by winning this tournament. This is a great time in tennis.
     
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  11. peRFection

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    Different planet. Alleeeeeeez Roger
     
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  12. BreakPoint

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    Federer has won the French Open and been to 5 French Open finals. Djokovic has not even been to a single French Open final, so how does that make Djokovic a better clay court player than Federer? :confused:
     
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  13. Wuppy

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    I agree the whole "calendar year" is pretty arbitrary and meaningless. What about holding them all in the same Chinese calendar year?
     
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  14. Bartelby

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    Wilander speaks English in an eerily similar way to Federer.
     
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  15. Ralph

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    LOL, yes, he does doesn't he!
     
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    Did you know that cocaine causes a neurone holocaust in your brain that lasts even when you stop using it?
    Matt's just confirming what the science knows...
     
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    So you disagree that Antacid will be winning the RG.:)
     
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  18. rb__11

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    a few days ago Wilander said that Federer was the second greatest clay court player of all time.
     
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    In sports, the #2 guy doesn't count.
     
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    Laver should be immediately arrested due to his winning the Calendar Slam on only two surfaces. With a little effort, he could have laid down hard courts at the Slams himself and played on it, but he never tried. He cannot be pardoned.
     
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  21. merlinpinpin

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    The difference is that a GS (calendar or not) is a single achievement, and no matter how big they are, single achievements are different from career achievements, and the total sum of what players like Laver and Federer achieved is much more than a single GS, huge as this is. :)
     
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  22. Flash O'Groove

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    Totally agree. Novak would be the only player to hold four slams on 3 differents surfaces, but Roger is as well the only player to have won 16 slam. What is the more valuable? Being the absolute best player for a short span of time, of being at the top of the game for years?
     
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  23. Satsuma Illini

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    Wilander is one of the smartest guys to ever play the game. He's very honest sometimes and his commentary is never boring. A non-calendar Novak Slam is a bigger achievement than a '69 Laver Slam any day.
     
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  24. merlinpinpin

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    Second option, of course. Otherwise, there would be no GOAT debate, Budge would have been anointed an age ago with his 6 slams in succession before he joined the pro tour.
     
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  25. West Coast Ace

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    I think Wilander, like Becker, like JMac, like Cash... say things to get attention. Worked here. They go back and forth - talk up the favorites and don't say anything controversial, then occasionally let something crazy out.

    When they tie him up like James Bond in Casino Royale and start swinging the rope (you all remember the scene), we'll see who he really thinks is the GOAT... :)
     
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  26. 1970CRBase

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    I think it is a good idea anyway, regardless of whom he thinks is goat.
     
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  27. West Coast Ace

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    LOL!

    "A little to the right!"
     
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  28. frinton

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    Spot on, couldn't have said it better!

     
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