Swing weight and swing path

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  1. maxpotapov

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    As I'm trying different racquets I noticed how swing weight influences the way I'm trying to swing my racquet. I mean if I distinctly perceive weight of the racquet head, which is most pronounced in Wilson Six.One 90, I'm cautious to take longer and smoother swing path, otherwise I feel like I will break my arm or something. Prestige Mid, even though its static weight and balance is about the same, does not swing as heavy, which "helps" me to get more "creative" with my strokes. Even more "lightheaded" racquets tend to get totally out of control and it hurts not only my stroke production but my arm as well.

    Now I'm thinking, as I'm watching Federer gliding through the air with his "cumbersome" racquet: maybe the secret of stability and consistency of top players strokes is in many ways defined by 360+ swingweight which smoothes out their swing path and forces good habits in stroke mechanics?

    I know it can be frustrating if heavy racquet does not arrive on time due to lazy preparation and footwork, but I remember it felt really good when I played a practice match with KPS 88, even though I was so tired I could not lift my hand. I literally had to dance around this racquet, to make it going through the ball, but it was so much fun! :shock:

    I know it's nothing new, but I finally realized that I need stability and fluidity/calmness in my game more than opportunity of being wild and do crazy (or lazy?) things sometimes. I guess I'm just getting older... or mature as a player :-?
     
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    Update: last two training sessions I was totally focused on "smoothing out" my swing. What a joy to play, even though everything feels so fragile compared to my regular brute force approach to brushing and moving the ball. I have to really play on my toes so that I can move heavy racquet through the ball with my "fingertips", without hurting my wrist in the process. Project "Federer's forehand" is underway!
     
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    Now I'm thinking, as I'm watching Federer gliding through the air with his "cumbersome" racquet: maybe the secret of stability and consistency of top players strokes is in many ways defined by 360+ swingweight which smoothes out their swing path and forces good habits in stroke mechanics?

    Maybe his fitness level has more to do with it.

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    Not really, if you compare his arm muscles to Nadal's, who swings much more "lightheaded" racquet... Sorry I'm too lazy to look for "Vamos!" fist pump pics right now ;)
     
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    Nadal's racquet has a higher swingweight than Federer's.
     
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    The issue with high SW usually surfaces during the serve in longer sets. Groundies will feel great for a while, but you will also have to have a very developed serve and a rather high level of fitness.
     
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    Well, if Serena Williams hits 100 mph forehand with 360+ SW bat, so can I! 'Cause I'm a man!
    /fistpumps
     
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    > Really? For some reason I thought it was in the 330s...
    > Wait, http://blogs.tennis.com/the_pro_shop...uet-redux.html

    Nadal's SW is around 360, Federers is around 355. Djokovic's is around 370. Murray's was 400 many years ago - no sightings on numbers for a while.
     
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    > Well, if Serena Williams hits 100 mph forehand with 360+ SW bat,
    > so can I! 'Cause I'm a man!

    So is she.

    I have a pair of Berdych's frames - SW is around 400. They're fun to hit with from time to time and I have played matches with them but I don't play my best tennis with that kind of SW. I have a bunch of frames at 386 too - also a bit heavy. I find that 361 is pretty good though. My biggest problems with the very high SW frames is that I lose acceleration on the serve. I think that there's a SW for everyone where they get their fastest serves.

    There's also the factor of carrying the thing for three hours on a hot, humid day.
     
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    How do you know those values?

    Have you check it on a RDC machine?
     
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    What do you have for FabFed numbers? I don't recall a SW number from him.
     
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    Weight, balance point ... just doesn't match.

    As for SW, let's see if he want to post it...
     
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    I dont remember where but it was determined to be 355 definitively. and 364 grams IIRC.
     
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    I have started a thread discussing some mechanics around this:
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=438238

    Maybe you can find what type of curve your ideal racquet should have :)
     
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    I've started using the BLXPS90 and found that I also had to slow my swing down and smooth it out to get the best results. I think because of the weight it provides plenty of power and I don't find myself over hitting. I don't take the big swings like when I use my Yonex 200MP to get a lot of topspin to keep the ball in. It seems like once you get a heavy racquet moving, it will follow a swing path much easier.
     
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    Looks ok

    But it feels like u hit mostly with your hand ,u dont use your body to drive the ball ,try to hit the ball a little bit after shoulder rotation and rotate more ,ur upper body is a little stiff
     
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    I got the feeling that you're not getting enough of your body into the stroke. Perhaps a bit wider stance and maybe a slightly more closed stance and hitting the ball in front a little more.

    A more consistent hitting partner wouldn't hurt either.
     
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    I did a lot of shadow swinging at home recently, trying to work on every muscle engaged: legs, back, abs, shoulder, arm... neck. Swinging a heavy racquet really helps to feel and analyze the whole kinetic chain. I reworked backswing quite a bit, will post new and improved video soon :)
     
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    Take a look at Soderling if you want to see an extreme example of backswing and follow-through. He uses a really heavy and high-swingweight racquet too.
     
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    His backswing IS extreme, at least when he practices. Just throwing a heavy club into the ball - what a joy! :)
     
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