Switching from a 100 to a 90 (advice please)

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  1. Rafa4Ever

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    Recently I have been thinking about switching from my aeropro to a wilson blx 90. I have pretty solid strokes and am playing in high school right now, but plan to play in college as well in a year. Is it a good idea to switch to something with more control and mass for heavy balls or should I stick to the aeropro for the spin potential. Also as a note I feel more comfortable hitting my two handed backhand on the 90 compared to the aeropro but my forehand doesn't have as much spin(it's a more penetrating shot on the 90 though). I did notice I was getting a few mishits with the 90, but I wasn't sure if this was normal for the first time using a mid size frame. Any advice would be great because I really want to use the 90. I just wanna make sure that I can adjust.
     
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  2. Hi I'm Ray

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    For a second there I thought you were going to say "I have good hand eye coordination."

    The 90 is probably going to be underpowered for college. Although for some reason there are a good number of prestige users. Try a 6.1 95, a commonly used frame among college players and for good reason: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wilson_BLX_SixOne_95_16x18/descpageRCWILSON-WSO95O.html

    Btw APD/PD are commonly used there as well.

    Whatever you choose, make sure its one that you can play very well with, because you will have to beat some good players to get on the team, then after that you will be facing even tougher opponents regularly.
     
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  3. Andyroo10567

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    I would suggest not to. The small head size would give you a disadvantage compared to other players with 95+ headsizes. Anyway, 100 to 90 would be a major change in your game, so i would refrain from using it unless you had other ( good ones ) experiences with smaller head sizes. I had previously used the BLX 6.1 tour and honestly, it was a piece of **** for me to use. Though it seemed good at first, i later started to dislike it and annoyed by the small head size. What i would suggest instead of a 90 head size, try what *Hi I'm Ray* suggested and maybe a Head IG Prestige Mid ( 93, sort of on the edge of choice ) , Babolat Pure storm LTD or Tour ( My weapon of choice! hehe ) , and some stuff over 95.
     
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  4. ProPlayer

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    Really??? I cant believe you just said the Prestige is a 93???? EVERYONE knows it's a 89.5, always has been.


    the miss hits dont have ANYTHING,
    ANYTHING,
    ANYTHING!!
    to do with head size!

    You need to hit the center of the stringbed no matter what the head size of the racket!
    the mis hits are due to the weight and balance you are not used to.
    put a 90 up against a 100, how much bigger is the 100 really?? 5mm on each side?? you really think that makes a difference???
     
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  5. Larrysümmers

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    i wouldnt. there is less margin of error for your strokes when hitting with the blx 90 than there is with the apd. this may not be noticeable when playing players below you, but when you are playing someone better than you or moves you around a lot the greater margin of error really comes in handy.
     
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  6. ProPlayer

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    true, I would go with a lighter mid like the prestige or the Dunlop 100's
     
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  7. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    What is it about the BLX90 that you liked? I think racquet switching is a big deal and one should never switch just for the sake of switching. What qualities about the BLX90 intrigues you, what's lacking in your aeropro?

    The problem with mass, well you can lead it up.

    The problem with control, more or less that's going to come down to your strokes. If you can't control a shot with this racquet, you're not going to control it with another racquet.

    But if you really do want to make the switch to the 90, don't let people tell you it's not suited for the modern game and blah blah. If your technique is good enough, you can use any frame.
     
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  8. Hi I'm Ray

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    Here, dug this old thread up: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=415035

    You see the same or similar frames from 10, 11 years ago. Most common frame was the 6.1 95, then prestige mid, some radicals which seem to have been replaced with the prestige mp now, and a few early adopters of the PD.
     
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  9. eleventeenth street

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    why do you really want to use the 90? if it's for any reason other than you feel like you're game will benefit from the switch, don't do it. the aeropro and tour 90 are such different racquets.

    and it sounds like you're accumulating more mishits with the 90. were you just rallying or was this during match play? it's one thing to just hit around with a heavy, demanding mid and another to actually use it in match play.

    and since you plan on playing competitively in high school and college, i would suggest sticking with something a bit more forgiving.
    that's my two cents. but at the end of the day, only you know what's best for you and your game. give it a go. see how it works out
     
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  10. KenC

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    90in is not microscopic compared to 100in, although most players tend to think the difference is enormous. Put a BLX90 on top of an APDGT and ask yourself if that really small overall difference really matters. Then, to really drive the point home, go here to the sweetspot calculator and plug in those two racquets and notice that the BLX90 has a bigger sweetspot.

    Rather than limit yourself to these two racquets, why not take the time to demo as many as you can to see which one is just "magic" in your hands. Doing this now will save you lots of time later on and probably give you better results down the road. You don't have to try and fit the square peg in the round hole. Find the round peg.
     
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  11. Torres

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    I completely disagree. Having played both particularly the Wilson, the difference between the APDC and 90 is vast.
     
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  12. PaulC

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    Try the TRUE 93s

    Try the TRUE 93s, (NOT the Prestige "93" which is a 89.5) such as:

    1. Volkl Power Bridge Tour Mid 93 -- Kevin Kim and couples top 250 ATP Tour (or former players by now) players used the previous model
    2. Wilson Blade Tour (KBlade or BLX) 93s -- Melanie Oudin used it to reach a grand slam QF, and sucks since switched to bigger ones
    3. Yonex RDIS 100 93 -- Leyton Hewitt used it for 2 years before the Vcore 95d, sucks worse with current bigger one.
    4. Prince Graphite Original/Tour 93 -- Sampras used it before Pro staff 6.0, still some Div. 1 NCAA players from Europe using it.
    5. Prince Diablo Tour 93 -- Jennifer Capriati's resurgence and won a grand slam with it 2004, switched from a bigger 100 frame (like you!!!)
    6. Donnay 94s (more like 93.5)

    ProKennex and Head "93"s are actually 90s (or 89.5) like Dunlop, as they have similar molds.

    Wilson 90s are more like 92s (91.7), so NOT that bad either; but I suggest try the 93s first, you can tell the diff. between 90s or 95s (or 100s) right away!

    It's a good in-between size that have the best of both mid and mid-plus worlds, which is what I think you're looking for.

    -- I'd propose calling the 93s "super-mids" :)
     
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  13. 4sound

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    Nothing wrong with switching to a 90. #1 for Stanford plays with a Prestige Mid. With that said most college players use Mid-plus. Mid-plus is a little more forgiving on off center shots.
     
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  14. Hi I'm Ray

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    Yeah but for some reason there are/or were lots of college players using the Prestige Mid and not so much with the wilson version.

    Are you sure you quoted the right text? I'm not seeing any mention of headsize and miss hits in that post.

    Anyways, "miss hits" is not a clear term as it can be confused as a shot that hits the frame, or a shot that is hit outside of the sweet spot.

    The difference in headsize looks small in comparison but the size of the sweetspot does matter, and sometimes it can be a huge difference. Hitting off center is common especially when advanced players are moving each other all over the court and they are scrambling to get to balls. Pros hit off-center all the time, its easy to find pics of this. A shot hit outside of the sweetspot that does not have enough behind it will easily be eaten up by an advanced player. It doesn't have to be a grossly off center shot that becomes a sitter either - a fast shot that looks good to most ppl, but allows a good opponent who is in position to take 2 steps inside the baseline will likely attack that shot. A bigger sweetspot gives more room for error.
     
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  15. Harry_Wild

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    Roger Federer plays with a 90 sq. in. racket! If he can play with that size racket; anyone can too!
     
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    GOAT POAST.

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  17. klementine

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    There are so many 'golden nuggets' in this thread.... love it.

    The weight of the 90 is causing the mis-hits.. your timing is off. After a month or two the 90's weight will start to feel normal.

    If you can win matches with it and it's not a detriment to your development, use it. But I'm in line with everyone else, a mid-plus will probably be the best choice, the 6.1 95 to be exact.

    I can understand why you like the 90. The defensive capabilties of this stick are amazing. Blocked shots come off the face hot, wristers on return, slices and balls off the rise are simply awesome.

    The serve is spectacular as well, as are 2hbh's,they seem more focused and potent.

    Forehands are problematic (at least for me). You need to anticipate well on the fore-hand side. Medium-pace balls are no problem, but out wide and with pace, the weight becomes a problem.

    Demo the 6.1 95 and some of those other sticks some have suggested.
     
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  18. Mike2228

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    I just switched from the BLX Pro Open to the blx prostaff six. one 90. I'm having a great time with it. The control on ground strokes is incredible and ever since I made the switch I have been really serving extremely well.
     
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  19. UCSF2012

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    I mishit much, much more often with my 6.1 95 than with my 90. Why? Because the 90 swings slower, so I have a greater margin of error.

    You may think you have greater margin for error with the aeropro, but consider how fast that frame swings. And consider how WIDE the frame is.
     
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  20. prjacobs

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    $20 to demo four frames for a week from TW. That's the only way you'll know.
     
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  21. jman32

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    agreed

     
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    I dont really see anyone saying that he is moving from a very powerful racket to one where you will have to generate your own pace. I would really suggest you demo the 90 and maybe the BLX 6.1 95
     
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  23. fuzz nation

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    Jump in with both feet and get the thing. After you dial in with it for a little while, the mis-hits (that's just how I like to spell it) should become much less common the same as with any new racquet. Once your muscle memory can unconsciously put the ball right on the heart of the strings, you may even feel as though the sweet-spot on the 90 is bigger, but that also might depend on how you string it.

    As long as the whole racquet issue doesn't become a major distraction from your game and your development, it can be a lot of fun to noodle around with different gear. That itch you've got to play with a 90 sounds like it needs an honest scratching.
     
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  24. Rafa4Ever

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    Summed up my experience with the racquet. Everything felt a lot better besides the forehand which needed a bit more preparation, but when set up right it was a better shot than with the aeropro. the only sot I found pretty difficult was the serve return. A few of the people I play with have college level serves so the weight was definitely a problem for the maneuverability at first. I found that after a few days with the demo I was return serves easier. I decided to order a blx 90. Thanks for the advice
     
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  25. klementine

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    ^ keep your back swing short on the fore-hand side at first to aid in getting the weight/timing down and accelerate through the follow through. Long back swings with a racquet that's 12.6 strung, at first, can be erratic.

    Add some weight to the aeropros and hit side-by-side with 90. An aeropro in the 12.1-12.3oz range can be just as deadly as the 90.

    Good Luck and keep us posted.
     
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  26. Larrysümmers

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    play some real matches, opponents better than you, with both rackets. also after the honeymoon is over with the blx try the apd again. if you were a 35yr old rec player it wouldnt matter but if you are going to be against top high school players and college players a 'tweener' is the way to go. even a leaded up 'tweener'
     
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  27. jmjmkim

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    I frame the shots much less with my 95 Rebels than my 107" POG .... I agree that headsize is not the cause for misshits.
     
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  28. Bmr

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    I would definitely go to 95/98 first. I've used the Wilson 90, 95 and currently using the Juice and it's a world of difference between all those racquets. The 95 was a pretty good compromise, but the 90 is a tough racquet to use. It is really rewarding when you are hitting with solid form, but a bad day will turn into a REALLY bad day if you are off just a bit.
     
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  29. Larrysümmers

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    well along with the headsize, the tour 90s are more demanding, and its a completely different stick. anyone with halfway decent strokes know that the apd isnt that hard to control. and when you are in position and swing out the apd rewards you with great spin and power.
    i found that i can hit all of the same shots equally with both sticks granted i was 'dialed in'. but when out of position or on the run or when you are getting the ball crushed at you, you better hope your inner roger shows up to use that blx 90.
     
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  30. martini1

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    It is not the misses. It is the emergency power and the reflex volleys. With the mid, you cannot just half swing the ball on the run and hope it lands near the baseline. This is the only one thing I don't like about mids. The other one may be on the serve.

    But yes, I play with the k90 and K88. Both are fun sticks to hit with. My next demo would be the blx ps 100.
     
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  31. Rafa4Ever

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    1st day with "my" frame today and it went really well. Didn't get any mishits and very few unforced errors(about the same I would get with the aero). The only thing I noticed right away was the precision you could get. My hitting partner is normally pretty good with getting those balls that you would think to be a winner, but with this racquet you could think exactly where you want the ball to go and put it away. It would go to that exact spot again and again where the aero you would need to rely on heavy topspin to get the ball that precise. Over Im pretty happy with the choice

    Strings: Wilson Champions choice
    Gut mains @ 56 Ibs
    Poly Crosses @53 Ibs
     
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  32. nickarnold2000

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    Well put. Yup, we're all waiting for our "inner Roger" to show up! :)
     
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  33. Autumnleaf

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    Don't ask me why but this thread reminded me a lot of that supposedly 15 years old troll who kept asking if it would be a good choice for him to get federer's racquet. Can't remember his nickname though.
     
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  34. Hi I'm Ray

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    Yeah it reminded me of Adam as well (see first response)
     
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    Demo the three currrent 90' in the market and pick the one that works for you.
    Wilson Pro Staff @ 12.6 Oz.
    Pacific X Feel Pro @ 12.0 Oz.
    Dunlop 4D @ 11.6 Oz.
     
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