Syn Gut Mains - Awesome!

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  1. maxpotapov

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    I'm now playing with Forten Sweet 16 Gold mains / Head Sonic Pro 17 crosses @ 50 lbs in my Dunlop MW 200G and it works really great! It's already past 8 hours of moderate to hard hitting, and stringbed is still comfortable and responsive and crisp. Maybe it is to Forten Sweet Gold credit, as Sonic Pro mains with Gosen OGSM crosses performed poorly (especially in spin department), but now they shine! By the way, the Gold/Orange setup looks very good, gives you a warm sunny feeling.

    Like I said, durability/playability is very good, especially considering the price of below $8 for the setup. Next time I will try Sweet 16 mains with spinnier crosses, like Dunlop Black Widow or Weiss Cannon B5E. Even if synthetic gut breaks earlier, I hate playing with any poly mains after 8 hours anyway.

    What is your guys experience with synthetic gut mains? Do you get more comfort and maybe even more spin and longer playtime out of this "reverse hybrid"?
     
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    Max, that's pretty interesting. Forten is definitely my favorite synthetic gut, and like many others, I use it as a cross with poly mains (SP Tornado at the moment). After reading your post, my next experiment will definitely be Forten Sweet 16 in the mains with a poly in the crosses.

    Can you tell us a bit more about your s.gut/poly set-up? You already mentioned comfort and responsiveness, but relative to poly/s.gut, how would you place your s.gut/poly hybrid in terms of:
    1. Power
    2. Control
    3. Spin

    Thanks,
     
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    1. Power - the same
    2. Control - the same or little better
    3. Spin - more than Sonic Pro / Gosen OGSM if it's a fair comparison

    Forten Sweet slides better on smooth poly like Sonic Pro, than when used as a cross. I find Forten Sweet stickier than Gosen OGSM, yet more crisp and resilient.
     
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    Got it, thanks. Keep us updated with your current set-up and also how textured poly in the crosses play.
     
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    I've tried a couple of different setups but didn't stick with any long enough to committ.

    One thing I wanted to try was lowering the syn gut main tension some because the poly cross really seemed to stiffen up the stringbed
     
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    I would not recommend lowering syn gut mains, try 48 lbs for both mains and crosses. Keep in mind, that some polys feel stiff even at lower tensions, and syn gut hybrid will not change it.
     
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    I think that we tried PSGD mains @ 56lbs and Tourna Big Hitter Silver @ 52lbs,,,,

    It seemed to play better after a few hours. I have one more set of Big Hitter Silver, may need to try again.
     
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    I had OGSM mains for a bit with Iso Baseline Spin crosses. It was a comfortable setup, but the mains notched really fast. It also didn't have the ability to produce as much spin or for as long as poly/syn. Now the reverse is my go to setup.

    However, I have IBS mains with Forten nylon (the $17 reel) crosses in an old Silver Ace that feels awesome with great spin. I've hit with it on a few occasions and the nylon is not notched or otherwise breaking down. It is a blast to rally with, too. I think it is due to a relatively slick coating on the nylon. I have black only atm which leaves grill marks on the ball, so I've ordered some white. I might give it a go in reverse again since the Forten seems to agree more with poly. At about $1.50 a set, this is a great setup in more ways than one. The OGSM set was much more expensive at $2.50 (sarcasm).
     
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    I tried OGSM main and YPTP cross, nice touch volley but a bit lack of power and spin. I think its better for doubles play.
     
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    Gosen OGSM totally lacks power and spin the next hitting session (after 2-3 hours of hitting). Therefore I would not use it as mains, it is only good as durable and smooth cross to some powerful and/or sharp poly (Polystar Turbo, Black Widow and such)

    Forten Sweet Gold, on the other hand, performs poorly as cross, as it prevents poly mains from moving. But it works so much better than Gosen OGSM in other applications.
     
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    I loved this setup but i ended up tearing through strings too quickly.
     
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    And what is your more durable setup? I can not emphasize enough what a torture it is to wait for poly mains to break, after they lost their elasticity and shape/texture. The only exception in my experience was Polystar Turbo, which felt better as it aged.

    So, unless you broke Forten Sweet Gold mains in less than 5 hours, I don't see economical alternative with poly mains, that would last much more than that playability wise.
     
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    I broke the mains in less than 5 - actually 3-4 each time - in an open pattern racquet.

    I can get around 12 hours out of a poly main/nvy cross setup. It plays very consistently for me throughout that time. I know because I have identical setups 1 with 11 hours and 1 with 2.

    so anyway that is my more durable setup - i use soft polys like cyclone.

    Dont get me wrong, I realy liked the syn gut mains -it is just personal preference.
     
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    I have been playing Volkl Syn Gut 16G mains 54-57 lbs with SigPro Hyperion or Tornado 17G crosses 4-5 lbs lower than mains for several months now. I like this better than poly mains in my current racket Volkl O10 295 customized to 12 oz, 335 SW, 6 HL.

    The syn gut mains give better feel and comfort, a touch more pop of the string bed and still plenty of spin. My previous racket as too open 16x18 pattern and I like poly mains better in it but the syn gut mains are great now. Poly mains lower the power and increase the spin.

    Sometimes, I will substitute Volkl Power Fibre II multi in the mains. Maybe even more power and comfort but not quite as much spin syn gut mains.
     
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    Open pattern racquet I see... Mine are dense 18×20, so I guess I would be breaking syn gut as fast as you should I use 16×19 or something.

    Nvy is still on my list to try out as a cross, I'm interested in any string that lets mains slide.
     
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    Same observation here: syn gut mains are not as good for open pattern racquets.
     
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    I've tried OGSM 17 mains at 55 SPPP 1.18 crosses at 52 on my LM Radical MP. It played... GREAT! I really loved the feedback, ball pocketing, crisp feel and spin I was getting from this setup. OGSM snaps back like poly when crossed with poly string... for a short period that is... Well, it wasn't TOO short, like 6-8 hours. After that, OGSM lost its resiliency and wouldn't snap back (though the tension was steady even after 8 hours, I checked with stringmeter), plus in the sweet spot area main strings were worn down almost completely by the friction of the ball and the movement along the poly crosses. But those first 6 hours were really great, I didn't expect a cheap synthetic would play so nicely... Though probably that was partly because of SPPP (excellent control poly) crosses (cause OGSM fulljob didn't play that well ).

    I had very good precision, good ball feel and excellent spin with this setup.

    Hope that helps.

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    The Radical is also an 18x20.
    That setup would not last very long in an open pattern.
     
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    I've been experimenting with syn.gut and smooth, thinner poly crosses for a while now. It's my preferred set-up on my ps 85 and I find it really gives me controllable power without noticeably losing any spin. And the best part is the sound at impact... it's too beautiful to describe in words. I seriously don't understand why this isn't being done more often.
     
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    Because for string breakers and people who need/want lasting playability, it just isn't viable. Some of these guys can pop mains 30mins-2hours. That's not even an entire hitting session. As I'm learning to take my shots, I've been popping multi in about 3-5 hours and synthgut in 4-7hrs. I don't swing very big and have a eastern grip.

    If these guys with full western string popping prowess went out there with synthetic gut mains, they'd have to bring out 6 rackets a week lol.
     
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    I bet no one is able to go through Forten Sweet 16 Gold in 2 hours, let alone 30 minutes. I used to shred strings to pieces with extreme top spin technique, so I ended up playing with Kevlar mains to avoid frequent restringing. And yet I could not break syn gut in one hitting session, just too much work to do even for softer syn gut such as Gosen OGSM.

    Oh, I forgot, people might use open pattern racquets... And some weak synthetics/multis that notch and fray in no time... OK then, it is possible
     
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    Well some of the guys I hit with, break full ALU in 1-2 hours... They bring 3-4 rackets to a daily practice session! I'd be interested to see how they fare with Forten!

    -Fuji
     
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    You may laugh, but I broke Polystar Turbo in the middle of the stringbed crossed with Gosen OGSM. And by the way, I can go through FULL BED of syn gut (such as Gosen OGSM) or thinner gauge poly (Luxilon Adrenaline) in like 3 hours. Hybrid setups is a different story.

    I guess it really depends on string pattern and maybe tension. In a dense stringbed at 50 lbs and below hybrids with syn gut are quite durable.
     
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    well i was exaggerating a little, but the point is people have gone to kevlar, poly, poly main hybrids, 15g strings, string savers, and all sorts of mess just to be able to get through a tournament (or even a pick up match) without popping strings.

    I mean, we all have to sacrifice playability for durability and it's vice versa (this isn't even including money, which is my major concern), i just feel for the guy/gals who have to deal with popping strings constantly and having to deal with all the hassles that comes with being a string breaker.
     
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    Mixed blessing for us stringers.
    Good business, but they blame us until they realize that there is no 'miracle cure'.

    It is nice, though, when you do a good hybrid for someone who was playing with zombie poly and they go: Wow! Yeah! Now my shots are falling in. It really was the strings!
     
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    I've played OGSM 1.29 (white version...which I think is stiffer) mains and Signum Pro poly plasma 1.23 crosses.
    Usually strung at 24/22 kg on a Volkl Tour 10 MP (gen 1).
    I found the setup lovely. Great feel and control, good spin, enough power...so so durability. I've never actually properly compared the durability of full OGSM versus the aforementioned hybrid, but if I'd be forced to guess...I would say the hybrid lasted a bit longer ??!?
    That seems couterintuitive maybe since the poly is supposed to cut through synthetics quicker...but there you have it. Maybe somebody who actually "measured" their time with each setup can confirm or contradict my "gut feeling".
    The volkls had a 16x19 pattern but with 8 mains in the throat of the raquet...so pretty dense in the middle. Anyway, for people hitting a healthy ball...I would probably go with 1.35 mm syn gut in the mains if they like this setup.
    I plan on trying Wilson Syn Gut Extreme 1.35 (decent synthetic) in the mains with same SPPP poly crosses in my vantages just for the testing pleasure.
    I'm pretty pleased with my full Gosen poly setup though...and I doubt that test will change my mind...never fix something that's not broken I guess.
     
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    Weird! The magic of Syn gut I guess LOL!

    The guys I know that break ALU that fast are using Prestige Mids, usually in the high 40's. Of course they are the most insane breakers I know!

    -Fuji
     
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    od1n,

    The smooth shape of the poly crosses we're using does not cut into the syn gut the way a textured poly would(I theorize there is much less friction between strings as well.)
    The soft syn gut has no chance against the stiff poly so notching will be completely eliminated.
    I can't hit consistently enough to produce decent 'results' but it seems the hybrid does last noticeably longer.
     
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    I may have to try this out. Anyone use this setup with either N.Vy mains or WC SupercablePro mains? I have those syn guts on hand, may compare it to my usual gut/poly.

    Is Babolat 'super fine play' a syn gut?
     
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    I played a few hours with Forten Sweet 16 (Natural) / Signum Pro Tornado 17 @ 55/52lb on my Dunlop 4D 100. This felt buttery and very arm-friendly. Power and spin were on the high-end, which is great. But I had a slightly harder time with directional control with this set-up compared to full-bed of Tornado and Tornado/Sweet hybrid. Perhaps I need some more time to adjust. Do you guys think it will get better as I clock in more hours with this set-up?

    Still, it's a pretty sweet set-up to have in the bag, at the very least as a soft arm-friendly back up racket. I'm about to play some more outdoors in 30 degrees (F) weather, and softness is always welcome :)
     
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    Now it's Forten Sweet 16 Natural mains and Polystar Turbo crosses at 48 lbs in my Dunlop MW 200G. First of all, there is no plasticy feeling and sound on contact, like it used to be with Polystar Turbo in the mains. That means I don't have to wait until star shaped profile of Polystar Turbo wears out to get nice feeling and sound from the setup.

    The unique feature of Polystar Turbo (and maybe other Polystar strings) is that it remains springy until it breaks. Now I have to play and see just how long Forten Sweet mains will hold.
     
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    Polystar turbo W/ OGSM 18 crosses for me was unbelievably good.. for about 2 hours. Soft, yet still powerful w/ control. Great spin production and better than average volley feel. After that the stringbed changed and went from soft and spinny to rock hard in my Yonex RDiS 100. Touch completely gone and no depth control on baseline shots. Was the most abrupt change I've ever had in my racquet. Popped the crosses an hour later. Even if I had not I would have cut the strings out.. they went that bad that fast.
     
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    What was the tension? I only tried them at 44-48 lbs crossed with Gosen OGSM 17 Natural. They felt even better past 3-4 hours. Maybe thin gauge of OGSM 18 or its color is to blame. Always springy, never rock hard and even softer past 4 hours in my experience
     
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    Just a quick update on my Sweet 16 / Tornado 17 set-up: sadly, it didn't work out too well. I really wanted to like this one, since it felt so soft, with excellent spin and power. But the ball response was slightly more erratic than with Tornado mains, which made me shorten my strokes to be more cautious, and ultimately made it very difficult for me to play my A game in a more competitive setting. I cut it out after two sessions.

    At this point it's hard to pinpoint why this set-up didn't work so well for me. It might just be that Sweet 16 in the mains is much softer and more powerful than what I'm used to -- or it could also be the fact that my cross was shaped and twisted, leading to a more uneven snap-back. Another possibility is that a higher tension may have produced better results.

    For the time being, I'm going to stick to my regular Tornado set-up. Still, I'm curious to hear others' experiences with synthetic gut mains in a hybrid. I may give it one more go with Sweet 16 and a smooth cross (e.g. SPPP).
     
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    I strung my old K93 today with OGSM 16 mains and Beast 16 crosses, at 52/50. I really liked it but I haven't played with that racquet in a while, so I can't really compare to a usual setup.
     
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    And I will say that I would hesitate to try this on a more open string pattern, but K93's 18x20 isn't wearing them too fast.
     
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    syn gut/poly hybrids play great and are very affordable. durability is good in dense string patterns, but absolutely horrible in open string patterns. i'm not a big string breaker and have stopped using syn gut/polu in open 16x18 or 16x19 sticks because the mains snap in 3-4 hours.
     
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    For sg mains, i think what you really want is a FEEL oriented round poly. I think SPT is too lively and textured crosses don't make sense to me. I personally believe you just need a better cross and you'd love it. Try isospeed baseline control or spin. Both really great values and having it hybrid with a nice value oriented synthetic like Forten Sweet will make both your wallet and your arm happy.
     
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    I believe there is nothing a little duct tape can't fix. I mean, few string savers in all those sensitive places.
     
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    I'm going to try Topspin Polytech/Syn Gut a shot next, Syn Gut in the mains , Polytech crosses..

    :mrgreen:
     
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    Believe that is the old name for Bab SG. Used both, both soft.
     
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    I like Prince TopSpin 15L in the mains. Does not matter what's in the crosses (although, Forten Sweet 16 is the best). I started using this to tamper racquets with excessive power. I worked really well for that purpose. Better than poly. Good durability, decent spin, soft feel - what's not to like?
     
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    Update of my K93 strung with OGSM 16/Beast 16 at 52/50:

    After about 6 hours of moderately hard hitting, I really like this set-up. Great pocketing, comfort, and control. I also got impressive access to spin (even with the tight 18X20), but can still control a heavy drive.

    Whats most impressive is the durability. There is relatively little wear on the mains and very little notching. Considering the playability, durability, and the price of about $9.13 a string job, I have become a believer. In fact, this set-up has me considering a switch back to the K93 after 2 years with the Prince Tour 16X18. Well, I'll see what happens after the honeymoon...
     
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    Wow 6 hours with OGSM mains -- it's an incredibly long honeymoon for this particular string. I wonder what your experience with Forten Sweet would be, it's like twice more resilient than OGSM.
     
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    Once you talk about synguts, which synguts are "smooth-oily-surfaced"? I dont know how to name it correctly, well exact opposite of prince syn gut duraflex - they become rough and wont slide easily and they stay jammed on place. Any smooth syngut other than (now unavailable) Recoil?
     
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    I actually meant the honeymoon with the K93, but you're right -- the strings are maintaing playability for a very long time. I hit with them again today for about 2.5 hours, and I'll admit that balls started to sail a little bit, but its managable and the strings are still very playable overall.

    OGSM is plently slick. I'm sure I have played with some other smooth ones, but I can't remember taking note of that.
     
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    You guys must string your racquet weekly, eh?
     
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    Actually I don't. Usually I use Beast in a full poly set and those last me a good while and I usually cut it out when the playability
     
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    Actually I don't. Usually I use Beast in a full poly set and those last me a good while but I usually cut it out when the playability is gone.
     
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    Next two hours with Forten Sweet mains / Polystar Turbo crosses at 48 lbs in Dunlop MW 200G. Comfort and power and spin are still there, but now I can see limitations of such setup. If crosses are extremely textured (nothing beats Polystar Turbo in this regard), things get out of control sometimes. If I brush the ball with sharp/textured mains I know exactly what to expect in any situation, not so with smooth mains and textured crosses. For instance, it was hard to control forehand slice, as Polystar Turbo crosses bite and launch the ball in some other direction. It works good for sidespin though.

    I think for any smooth poly, it is best to use it as a cross with synthetic or natural gut mains. With sharp (shaped/textured) poly strings things are more complicated.
     
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