Syn Gut Mains - Awesome!

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  1. Ronaldo

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    From stringing posts lately, 12 hrs seems to be the max anyone gets from their set-up. By breakage or just unplayable from loss of tension.
     
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  2. maxpotapov

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    That's why I'm trying to move on to natural gut hybrids for my regular practice. But for competition purposes I think I will have to switch to some "cheater's" setup with sharp/textured poly mains and supersleek/firm crosses which I will use 5 hours max and restring constantly during competition week.
     
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  3. swfh

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    strung up my 4d 300 tour with gosen syn gut 16 mains, IBS crosses, 54/50. I have not had a chance to hit with it yet, but from bouncing around a ball, it is awesome. Ill post feedback when I play.
     
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    I am settling towards an unusual setup after much experimenting thru tournaments. E fh, 1hbh, aggressive all court game, and using dunlop AG 4D 100 with 90 sq in and 16x19.

    17g syn gut main at 50 (this I'm trying to go lower) and stiff 16g poly at 30 (tried 25 as well but not much difference). gives plush feel but not as bouncy as you think. the poly holds the bounciness at the limit but give some room for syn gut to improve the feel.
     
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  5. Borrelli

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    I have Forten sweet 16 mains and co-focus crosses in my back-up K90 and I can't notice too much difference from my usual Klip legend mains. Maybe a little less power but still pretty good. I rarely break strings though. Guess I need to start hitting the gym harder lol. I often wonder how guys are breaking strings so quickly? I mean you don't see pro's going through strings like that.
     
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    (1) Quite a few pros switch racquets at the ball change - 7 & 9, and some at the start of a new set.
    (2) I would guess that some of the string breaks you read about here are from shanks.
    (3) I'm sure some are legit, but I also think some people have really good imaginations. ;-)
     
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  7. swfh

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    had a hit with ogsm 16 mains isospeed baseline spin crosses, and I was pleasantly surprised. I wasnt really impressed with the spin, but i was impressed with the ability to flatten out forehands. My serves also didnt have enough pop on them, and not enough spin. I suppose I could address this by going to a 17g string.
    I didnt think I could play with syn gut mains, but I am now thinking about making ogsm 17 mains ibs crosses my main setup. Any thoughts?
     
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  8. Fuji

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    I believe it depends on what sort of ball you are dealing with too. Obviously if you are just rallying with a patty-cake ball it's going to put a lot less stress on your strings than if you are dealing with high pace on every incoming shot. I like to think of it as comparing getting with in the face with a pillow compared to a brick. Both might break your nose, but ones going to be doing a lot more damage in a shorter amount of time! :razz:

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  9. maxpotapov

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    Gosen has very little power, especially next time you play with it. It is only good as a cross for some powerful and/or shaped poly. Going to 17 g will only help so much. Try Forten Sweet or some other syn gut instead if you want more power and resilience in the mains.
     
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  10. Irakli

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    max,

    are you still using this setup?

    Really would like to hear some updates, so I'm bumping this thread.

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    Yes I do. Indoor season is too slow, plus I'm using other racquets too. So I have yet to see Forten Sweet notch and break. But racquet feels great, as PolyStar Turbo ages gracefully.

    I strung another racquet like this, Forten Sweet mains / Polylon SP 17 crosses. Again, it works better than other way around. Polylon is sleek and sturdy, so Forten Sweet moves and snaps back freely.

    I don't see any good reason to put smooth poly in the mains anymore.
     
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  12. BreakPoint

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    People should stop hitting with so much topspin so that their strings last much longer. :)

    I hit flat so even a multi in an open patterned racquet will last me for months. :)

    Topspin is EXPENSIVE!!!
     
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  13. maxpotapov

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    Yes, that, and physically exhausting too
    Unless one can find the way to do it effortlessly, like Federer...
     
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  14. Overheadsmash

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    Interesting thread. I put forten sweet 16 mains in my Dunlop Bio 300 tour at 52 and TF Red Code 18 ctosses at 48 and it plays great. I was looking for a cheaper alternative to TF X1 biphase and the forten is pretty good.
     
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  15. Irakli

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    Absolutely! Couldn't agree with you more.

    I'm also playing with syn. gut mains, poly crosses for a while now, and have absolutely no intensions to switch them.

    I’ve tested Forten Sweet just a couple of weeks ago (with poly crosses of course) and it was a pleasant surprise as to how it played – it was comfortable, with good feel, did pocket the ball nicely, held the tension well and lasted about 12 hours in the dense pattern of my Radical.

    Now I’m trying Klip syn. Gut, but I noticed that the string get “jammed” only after 1-2 hours of play, in other words the mains wouldn’t slide back after that time. That’s weird, because all other syn. Guts I’ve tried snap back like poly as long as they are crossed with poly.

    I definitely need to revisit Gosen OGSM, as it had some of the best spin and control out of the bunch (IIRC).

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    Gosen OGSM will probably get "jammed" just as fast. I see there is a tendency for smoother synthetics to "give up" so much easier than more sticky/rough syn guts, such as Forten Sweet.

    I would use Klip or Gosen syn gut only as a cross for some sharp edged polys (such as Black Widow). I miss that bite from 7-sided poly mains sometimes.
     
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  17. Irakli

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    IIRC, Gosen didn't have that problem (though I tested that about 3 months ago). Gosen had a great snap back action (maybe even more than Forten) for at least about 6-8 hours, after that it would also get jammed (which was the case with Forten as well). To my understanding, as Syn. gut gets heavily notched by moving across the poly crosses (which never happens with nat. gut by the way, it just doesn’t get notched, it frays), the friction increases and that is the reason of mains getting jammed. But with Klip, it started jamming pretty soon, there were no noticeable notches really.

    I also have Volkl syn. gut (non-classic version) that I’ll be testing soon. I’ve heard it plays really well.

    Irakli
     
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    About syn gut notching and getting stuck - yes you're right, that seems like the reason. I'm surprised Gosen OGSM lasted for as long as Forten Sweet in that regard, will have to try for myself.
     
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  19. keithfival

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    I just hit with a friend's PD strung with PSGD mains and some black poly at 56/53. Felt like butter with crazy easy pop and tons of spin. I liked it a lot better than the same stick with full poly.

    Definitely going to try this next. Forten Sweet 17 is my go to cross, but will the 17 hold up as a main? I also have OGSM 17. (I'm not a string breaker, get months out of full 17g syn gut.)

    I was thinking OGSM is more similar to PSGD than FS is - crisper/deader/more control...agree?
     
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  20. maxpotapov

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    I'm not sure about PSGD, but OGSM is not too resilient, even compared to Forten Sweet. It works better as a cross because it is much smoother and thins out to make it even easier for poly mains to slide. Forten Sweet is too rough and sticky in comparison, but much more sturdy/resilient if used in mains.
    OGSM - good cross, bad mains. Forten Sweet - good mains, bad cross.
     
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  21. keithfival

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    Forten is my absolute favorite cross, I find it gives better feel (much) and more power than OGSM cross, so we may have different tastes on this but I'll try FS mains and see.
     
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  22. KFwinds

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    This caught my attention because it's very close to the setup I'm trying right now in my Yonex Ezone xi 100. My main string is Toalson Soft 130 (Leoina 77) in the mains and Prince Beast 16 crosses @ 52/49. So far this has been an awesome setup. Just wanted to mention this as the Toalson string seems to fly under the radar as far as syn guts go, and I actually think it's one of the best (and cheapest).
     
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  23. Irakli

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    Played with Klip syn. gut/SPPP for the second time yesterday. I had it strung 24/22 (kilos). I feel I don’t like it as much as Sweet/SPPP. It seems to be a bit more powerful but not as soft (weird) as Sweet. I had more UE but I also managed to make several shots with so much pace and precision that I don’t execute often. Spin was also less (probably due to the fact that I’ve already mentioned that the mains got jammed pretty fast and wouldn’t snap back), so most of the winners I hit were flatter, but with more pace. Can’t say I didn’t like it at all, but I guess I liked the Sweet/SPPP combo better. But I’ll give it another shot anyway, to be absolutely sure.

    I’m really into the poly crosses (smooth poly that is), it seems to me, that no matter what string, it plays better crossed with poly than fullbed.

    Irakli
     
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  24. keithfival

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    I strung one frame with ogsm 17/polystar energy 16 at 50/46. It wasn't knocking me out at first but I've found myself gravitating to it over my usual poly/syn, using it almost exclusively today. I can't drive the ball as confidently as with the poly/syn but I guess I was preferring the feel enough to choose it anyway. It actually feels softer than full syn gut at 50 for some reason. Big sweetspot, higher trajectory than the poly/syn, somehow felt like less work!
     
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    I was wondering about this. right now, I'm using baseline spin on the mains @ 55ibs and gosen on the crosses @ 58ibs. If I was to switch it the other way around, should I keep the tension or change it a bit. I hit extremely flat shots on my groundstrokes
     
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  26. maxpotapov

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    Gosen OGSM feels really good when fresh, but next training session it can lose its power/elasticity. That's why I only use it as a cross for textured poly mains, such as PolyStar Turbo. Forten Sweet is far more resilient, good to be used in mains.
     
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  27. corners

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    Notched mains reduced spin by 30% in some tests done by Japanese researchers. Not good. I'm amazed that people are getting good string life with syngut mains.
     
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  28. maxpotapov

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    If you hit extremely flat then why bother with poly? Try full bed of Prince Premier Attack, this might work even better.
    Poly hybrids is all about string sliding and snapback to improve spin production. Plus economy reasons.
    Premier Attack is economical too and retains playability far longer then yoyr average poly hybrid.
     
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  29. darklore009

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    it's not a poly hybrid. gosen synthetics on the crosses. i'm in a economical string setup right now.
     
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  30. maxpotapov

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    You should see how Gosen OGSM crosses are literally sawing poly mains in half :)
    In my case, Polylon XP and PolyStar Turbo.
    Forten Sweet mains do not notch much more than any poly mains.
     
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  31. Irakli

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    I appreciate your input, Corners.

    Yes, syn. guts become notched real quickly with poly mains (some more, some less). I sometimes use baby lotion (wax based stuff) that I apply on the notched spots of the mains. That helps some, but for short period.

    I was amazed when I tried the nat. gut mains – gut never got notched, so it was sliding freely all the time before it snapped. I’ve also heard that nat. gut lubricates itself, so that might also be helping with sliding.

    As far as syn. gut durability is concerned, I play with Head Radical MP, so I guess it’s holding up in tight pattern of Radical. Plus, I usually change strings after 8-12 hours of play (sometimes even sooner), so it’s not problematic for me.

    Irakli
     
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  32. Stardust

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    I'm wondering how a hybrid like Forten Sweet 16 mains at 50 pd./Pacific Poly Force 16L crosses at 48 pd. will compare to a full bed of RPM Blast 16 at 56 pd.?
    What a character will have such a stringbed?
    Any suggestions?
     
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  33. maxpotapov

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    Hybrids feel and sound quite different from full poly stringbed. Especially with synthetic gut mains. Performance wise you will get less bite/spin and less crisp feedback, maybe less power too. But nothing that will make you redesign your strokes, really. Yeah and you can actually play until it breaks, if you have to, whereas full poly stringbed has to be cut out after 5-8 hours of hitting.
     
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  34. Stardust

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    Thanks for the input, @maxpotapov!
    Is the Sweet 16 mains supposed to move a lot and how it will collaborate with the Poly Force? I know the features of Sweet 16 and 17 very well but Poly Force is quite dimly for me.
    If the player has played with RPM Blast thus far and have to migrate to the above mentioned hybrid, what is better - poly mains or Sweet 16?
    Thanks! :)
     
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  35. keithfival

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    Been enjoying syn/poly for the past several weeks. Still haven't broken or really notched with OGSM17 crossed with both smooth and rough poly. Softer stringbed than poly/syn, rewards a more relaxed stroke. Poly/syn still feels safer for attacking but I'm enjoying playing more relaxed with Syn/poly.
     
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    Have you noticed the name of the thread? :) Of course Sweet 16 mains!
    Sweet 16 is quite sturdy, and I don't see any reason why it won't snap back, sliding on smooth poly cross.

    Now, with shaped poly situation might be different in terms of resulting performance. I would not use a shaped poly as a cross string.
     
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  37. rdis10093

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    awesome till they break.
     
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  38. Buford T Justice

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    All this chat is convincing me to try some syn gut mains and a poly cross. My days of full poly I think are over and the gut mains and poly crosses are semi temperamental and expensive although they feel sweet.

    I'm debating whether to use ogsm or forten sweet mains......cheap enough either way.....
     
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    Sweet 16 seems to be more rigid in that application, it stays in shape for so much longer. Gosen OGSM loses all power too soon, and then just hangs there
     
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  40. Buford T Justice

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    Yes....I was leaning towards the Forten for the mains, but was waiting for someone to push me there!

    I think ill order a reel of it and compare it to some frames with cheap gut mains and the same poly crosses. Hopefully the Forten mains and poly crosses will be close enough / good enough such that I can skip the natural gut going forward and save the $.
     
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    Compared to natural gut, you won't find much pocketing and, given enough tension, it can feel boardy in a hybrid setup. I would stay with natural gut mains, of course.
     
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  42. tommynguyen101

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    Would it be good if I put X1 17 in main and Sweet 17 in cross? Trying to save some money cause X1 cost too damn much.
     
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    Sweet 17 is my favorite cross. I've liked it as a cross with a bunch of different mains, so I'd give it a try.
     
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    Forten Sweet is not the smoothest string among syn guts. It's probably one of the roughest, so I would recommend something smoother for a cross.
     
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    anyone else still using syngut mains with poly crosses? WHich setup did you like best?
     
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    I'd suggest against it. I used it for a while. It feels great, but the poly notches so fast that you will go through strings at warp speed.

    Also, the spin benefit is not really that much of a jump. Much better to go full syn gut.

    This is a very nice setup, but a hassle to string up, and really if you have any head speed at all, you are going to tear through it every 4-5 hours.
     
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  47. keithfival

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    I'm currently using OGSM 17/Polystar 16 at 50/46 and OGSM 17/BHBR 17 at 54/51. They both feel great, much nicer, softer, touchier, more old school feel than poly mains. Still a tad less confident for really ripping a forehand than with poly mains but getting easier depth, more comfort, and generally not having to work as hard as with poly main (more relaxed strokes). I still have a poly/syn in the bag but haven't pulled it out the last few times. The syn/poly kind of echoes the way the 104 plays, easy depth, big sweetspot, good feel but not as much of that tight, focused control of a poly main. I'll have to see if I reach for the poly in a tough match but my body is definitely enjoying the more relaxed, all court type of game that the syn/poly suggests.

    I'm slightly preferring the BHBR cross setup but that may just be the higher tension now that it's warmer. I will probably try 56/53 on the next one with PSGD mains. (Hitting with a friends PSGD/poly hybrid is what made me try syn/poly in the first place.)

    As far as durablilty, these are my first two syn/poly setups and I have yet to break either, i am over one month one stick and 2 weeks on the other. BUT, I never seem to break strings for some reason, so take that for what it's worth...
     
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  48. Buford T Justice

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    Yes. I recently switched from full poly to gut mains and poly crosses and this is immediately what I noticed as well. Tennis is so much more enjoyable with this setup for me. Every shot is not so much dang effort. This is definitely easy power and the spin is there as well.

    Do I hit more balls out (long) and in the net (lower launch angle)....yes. But I really dont care. Ill be able to dial them in with time and adjustment. My arm and shoulder are already thanking me for the change.

    I will be switching to syn gut mains and poly crosses next to try it out and will settle on a final combo to just stick with. I suspect Ill like it just fine...probably not as much as nat gut mains, but the PITA factor and cost of nat gut will be eliminated.
     
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    I gave synthetic mains a second go with Gosen OGSM 17 mains and Isospeed Baseline Speed crosses at 50/50lb on my Wilson PS 85. Like my previous try, this set-up was buttery and spin-friendly, but directional control was erratic when I swung out 100% in a match. It wasn't simply an issue with high power, as I'm used to powerful strings like Tornado that still retains good directional control.

    I can definitely see its advantages. It's incredibly arm-friendly with lots of pop and spin. But I must sadly conclude that this set-up is not for everyone, including myself. I prefer a more crisp and firm feel. I also need something that can give me more confidence in control. Overall it was a fun test though.
     
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    strung my racket with ogsm in the mains and isospeed baseline spin in the crosses. used to use the other way around. i like it, but the poly lose it's playability too quickly. just hope how this setup goes.
     

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