T Fight 315?

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  1. Carefree

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    I've got 1/4 inch tape. So I need 4 inches to get a gram. Did you use 4 x 4 inch strips, or did you use 8 x 2 inch and double them up at 10-2?
     
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    4x4, thats the only mod I did and the thing lets me hit a pretty mean ball.
     
  3. Carefree

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    Thanks very much.

    I've never actually put lead tape in the hoop before. How difficult is it to remove it and move it around?
     
  4. Carefree

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    I can imagine. It hits a pretty driving ball as is. Really doesn't feel like a SW of 300. I totally see what you mean. Worrying about the specs and SW will drive you crazy (if the posted specs are actually correct). Will not be a hit with the MgR/I crowd.
     
  5. Power Player

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    Nope..lol. the cool thing is you can customize it..make it lighter with a syn grip or make it heavier like Aimr and others have.

    But if you don't want to screw around too much and have a nice setup, then 4 grams at 10 and 2 seems to be the way to go.
     
  6. Carefree

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    thanks very much. you've been a great help.
     
  7. marsh

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    I can vouch for Power Players lead setup in this racquet. I too am playing with 4 grams of 1/4" tape at 10 and 2. Absolutely love it. Just ordered my 3rd and 4th racquets.

    I tried full syn gut, but it wasn't for me. I have liked full poly and full multi so far.
     
  8. mad dog1

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    depends. if you apply the lead tape directly to the racquet and leave it there for a few months, it can be hard to remove. also when you remove the lead tape, the adhesive sometimes damages the clear coat paint. however, here's a trick another member shared with me. apply a layer of electrical tape to the racquet where you think you'll be adding lead tape. then apply the lead tape on top of the electrical tape and now moving the lead is a breeze and the electrical tape adhesive isn't strong enough to damage the paint when you remove it.

    here's the stuff i use. i use the white and red tape on my Pure Storms so it's color coordinated that it blends right in w/ the paint scheme.
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  9. Carefree

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    That's a sweet idea. Thanks very much. It's quite a pretty racquet (and brand new), don't want to ruin the finish. Thanks a bunch.
     
  10. mad dog1

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    no problem, glad i could help. forgot to mention i got my colored tape from Home Depot. just be aware that the electrical tape does add a bit of weight so you can scale back a bit on the amount of lead you use accordingly. using the electrical tape allows you to reuse lead tape over an over again.

    i think TimothyO in another thread mentions that it weighs about half as much as the 1/4" lead tape or something like that.
     
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    I have replaced the leather with the syn grip so my overall static weight is pretty close to yours (12.1oz with the BBO setup and 12oz with the hybrid).. have 6 grams in the hoop and about 4 grams in the the throat.. swings very nice with this setup for me :)
     
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    Close. 8" of 3/4" vinyl tape is 1 gram.

    So on a linear basis it takes twice as much vinyl tape to add one gram compared to lead tape. But in actual area the difference is a factor of 6.

    It really softens the feel too.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=461526
     
  13. Carefree

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    So, if use a 4 inch strip of 1/4 inch lead tape (1g), and use the same strip of vinyl tape underneath, I will only increase the weight from 1g to 1.17g.

    4 strips = .67g

    It doesn't sound like much, but if you add it all up, in order to keep the weight the same, you would actually use 2.67 inches less of lead tape.

    All assuming the 4 x 4 inch (1g) placement strategy.
     
  14. anubis

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    Well, racquet came in today and I strung with my usual, BHB7 17 @ 50 lbs. All I can say is: amazing! I felt much more connected to the ball than with the APD. I also felt like I hit a heavier ball too, like there was simply more mass behind the ball. But since the SW is low, as well as it being very head light, it was very easy to move around the court.

    Backhands were the easiest with this stick. Very easy to swing through. Good touch at net as well.

    Forehands need some re-calibration though. I don't think it's underpowered, I think its very powerful, much more so than my APD. I also didn't think I got much spin with the stick, much more spin with the APD. A lot of forehands hit the back fence.

    I took note at how many forehands (that landed in) were either before or beyond the service line. Way more balls landed beyond the service line with this stick than with my APD. In fact, with the APD, I have to work very hard to get the ball beyond the service line.

    All in all good stick. Still aggravated my wrist though, I don't think it's nearly as flexible as people say it is... but perhaps my wrist needs to lay off the APD for a good month or two to heal.

    Have a match this weekend as well, we'll see what happens. I definitely want to keep going with this stick, i want to learn how to really harness its potential.
     
  15. mad dog1

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    :shock: :confused: :shock: interesting feedback, but everyone is different.
     
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    Played a league match which I lost but no shame in that since the guy is good player which I respect and it was simply loss of concentration in one moment and that was enough.
    Despite the loss what amazed me the most is that my arm is usually little sore next day some shoulder some general fatigue from serving (I usually go for my serve as its my stronger shot )but today... nothing ...like I never played yesterday. Its amazing...
    I have to dial in my grounded as I did not have time to hit any groundstrokes but so far I am sticking with this thing...its like finding a good tennis shoe that does not hurt your feet.
    Next I'm trying gut poly hybrid since I felt that bbo rough lost that magic it had.

    Ps anubis I really feel that wrist pain must be from APD. I have some wristy forehand shots on occasion if I'm running late for exampke and can have sore wrist but with this stick nothing...
     
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    Yes well said. My elbow has recovered and I never get any harsh vibrations if I mishit.

    The feel is so nice that it is really easy to play consistent tennis for me. I like the feel of the 16 mains a little better, but I know at some point I will miss the 18, so ill keep both versions.

    Anubis, If you have an APD, and you can not hit past the service line, this is a technique issue. I don't think you can accurately judge power from racquets yet.

    It is definitely flexible as well. It sounds like you are hurting your arm with poor technique. Stick with it and don't use poly yet. You don't need full poly because you are just hurting yourself with it. I know from experience this racquet delivers with full syn gut, and that's all you need right now at a 3.0 level.
     
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    Hey PP...glad to see you are still grooving with the 315. I have been sticking with the Blade 104 since about the same time you switched and I am so happy with how I have been playing, I have gotten rid of all my excess sticks and have ordered a matched pair from TW. When something comes along that makes such a noticeable difference in your game, you would be a fool to ignore it. I have made it to the quarter finals in my current 3.5 league and am playing better than ever lately. I Played a solid 4.0 last night who says he's a "4.5 on good days" and I stayed with him through 2 long sets. He only broke me once in the 2 sets and although he won 7-6, 6-4, we were on even terms.

    Anyway, just wanted to let you know I am right there with you, since you stopped switching :) But I have to say, the "holics thread" has been quite boring since you left :) Also, glad to hear your elbow issues have subsided. Keep using that flexbar!
     
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    Hey jack thats cool about the league success. It definitely helps to hold steady with a racquet and string setup because you just start to improve a lot faster after you get past the honeymoon stage.

    I think the 104 is a great stick..still have it in my closet just because the flex is so nice and it's rather unique.
     
  20. P.Floyd

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    Wait, what??? Seriously, stop reviewing racquets please.
     
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    Hi PP. Any further thoughts on this? Which string pattern is emerging as favourite?
     
  22. Carefree

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    So, I had my first hit after adding the lead at 10 and 2. I think I still need a little more beef. This will take a little more work though as I'll now have to offset any weight in the hoop with some in the handle. I don't really want it getting any more head heavy.

    I'm up to a static weight of 342 with dampener and OG. I'd probably like to get no higher than 350 which gives me a little leeway.
     
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    I would say 16 so far. I need to get it strung tighter though to really see for sure. The tension is a little low for my preference.
     
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    Had another hit with my first mod. Felt good, still think I need a little more plow through. I can see why people who prefer 18x20 sticks have a hard time choosing between the 16 and 18M. It's quite a closed 16M. However, I'm very impressed with the spin you can achieve. It's got a little bit of everything, the control of an 18M with the spin of a 16M.

    The serve has come around with this now. It's quite good to serve with. Good accuracy and power.

    I picked up more lead tape in the shop today and had a look at the TF 320. Good god that's an open pattern.

    I've added 2 more grams at 12, and I have put 3 grams under the grip to offset this. Next hit is Wednesday, let's see how that plays.
     
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    Think I am going to go with the 16 mains. For 1, I have too many sticks and the 18 mains is so good on strings, I don't need 3. Second, I have too many sticks...lol. 2 16s and 1 18 with forten sweet is all I need.

    So I will be listing 2 18 mains in the FS section this week, adding one 16 mains to my bag, and calling it a day.
     
  26. anubis

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    Still loving this racquet! I've only had it for not even a week and have played 3 matches already: one doubles and two singles.

    Won the doubles match and the first singles match, but the singles was only vs. a 2.5. I beat him 6-4, 6-4, which I wasn't happy with. I thought the score was too competitive for the large gap in our skill levels, so it started to get me thinking: perhaps I was wrong, perhaps the racquet is a bit under powered?

    I felt like my shots just weren't penetrating enough, too easy for my opponent to get to and to do something with.

    So, I had a match yesterday vs. a 3.5. I added 4 grams of lead to 11:00 and 1:00 (skipped the dead center due to my stringing machine mounts). Wow, what a difference! It was like... magic. All of the sudden, my shots were much harder, as if someone flipped a switch. I beat him 6-3, 2-6, 6-1.

    I don't think I can put this racquet down!

    I have a match tomorrow vs. an "arch enemy" of mine. A fellow 3.0 that is the most challenging opponent I've played yet this year, we're 1-1 vs. each other. I'm hoping that I can narrow that gap a bit.

    I hit briefly with the APD yesterday as well, it felt like a toy compared to the 315.
     
  27. spinovic

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    The TF 320 is a beast.

    I really want to try out the 315 16x18. It's been one of those racquets that piqued my curiosity as soon as I saw it for sale on TW.
     
  28. Shangri La

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    Wow.. just discovered this thread. Gotta try this gem.

    I'm usually a 16-main guy, but the 18m version sounds really tempting..
     
  29. badmice1

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    I've been tinkering around lead tape location a bit and found the following setup mimics PT280 pretty well. 2g each on the 4 & 7 o'clock position (4g total on head), and 2g in the handle with 1g towards the top of handle, and 1g towards the bottom. For some reason putting all 2g in one place on the handle made the swing weigh feel head-heavy. Maybe it's just me.

    The static weigh for my racquet is 338g (Pt280 is 340), balance 32.1 (unchanged from stock), SW unk.
     
  30. anubis

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    4 and 7? Don't you mean 4 and 8?

    My racquet weighs 340g. I have over grip, strings, dampener and 4g of lead at 11 and 1. SW is approximately 318.

    Hard to say exactly what your SW is from your description, but it is probably going to be less than 310. Putting the weight in the bottom of the hoop isn't going to add much in the way of swingweight.

    I admit that the racquet does feel more head heavy than it did before. I should probably add another 4g of lead on the handle to polarize the distribution of weight.
     
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    Yes sorry 4 and 8. I don't have a way to measure sw (didn't do the tw univ method). I should clarify that one end of the lead strip starts a little lower than 3 & 9, then adhered downward towards 4 & 8.

    My other 315M has about 3ish gram at each 3 & 9 o'clock and gives me that head heavy feeling. I slowly added weigh to the handle until that feeling went away, which ended up to be 2g worth of lead.
     
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    Out of curiosity, do you think that you would be able to put Prestige CAP grommets on this frame? Either the MP on the 18M and the pro on the 16M.
     
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    This has already been discussed into this thread earlier.

    You cannot put Head CAP grommets on the TF315 Ltd.
     
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    Played my fourth match in 7 days with this racquet and it's still performing like a champ. Way more control, feel and consistency than the APD. I'm sure i'll be selling my APDs shortly, just have to take pics.

    This is the first time that, after buying a new stick, the "break in" period didn't net me any losses. I usually tank the first couple of matches with a new stick since I'm unfamiliar with it.

    I still get some wrist pain, but its a different pain than I got with the APD. It's more like, I'm working out different muscles in my wrist, muscles that normally didn't get used with a lighter racquet.
     
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    Sorry. Forgot about that, sounds familiar now.
     
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    The Tflight 315 16m is a 16x19 string pattern right? thats what its listed on TW but on tecnifibre website they list it as a 16x18...
     
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    I would actually perhaps buy if it was 16x18...
     
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    Leave out the top cross string and you'll have 16x18...
     
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    How did the match go?
     
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    I beat him. "arch enemy" is not really accurate... we're friends, we just like beating each other up. he's a great player, so its always a fun, but exhausting match. It went 3-6, 6-3, 1-0.

    Now for the biggest challenge, playing an undefeated player this weekend. He's still a 3.0, but he was 3.5 last year. Beat me once already. Must settle the score.
     
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    Stay with this racquet. You are winning with it and it is a frame that you can grow your game with while not having to worry about stiffness or vibrations.
     
  42. TimothyO

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    How is the comfort otherwise? What sting setup are you using?
     
  43. Carefree

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    Agreed. The beauty of it is that you can kind of turn it in to whatever you want.

    I've played twice now with my current setup and I'm really enjoying it. I find I'm getting used to controlling the shape of the shot now after a few sessions.

    Feels a lot like my YT Prestige MP with more spin and pop.
     
  44. Torres

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    Has anyone replaced the leather grip on these? If so, how did it affect the way the stick played?
     
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    ^^^

    Look for Gads posts in here. He did it and prefers that setup.
     
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    If I wasn't that much of a rat/had more money, I would've tried this stick. Sounds sweet. 8) EDIT: Is it presomptious to think that in terms of quality, this is the closest to a pro stock racquet (hello Yonex though)?
     
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    Can anybody compare the 315 with the Dunlop Bio 200G Max? I'm particularly interested in control aspect between the 16m and the 200G - I'm pretty sure the 18m version will have more control than the dunlop Thanks.
     
  48. anubis

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    Full bed of BHB7 17 @ 50 lbs. I leave it on for no more than 12 hours before I cut it out and restring, to ensure that I never play on dead poly.

    Put it this way: I've played four matches in 6 days with it. That includes warm up time before-hand, so that's 12 hours of play time. If I had done that with my APD w/ same strings and tension, I couldn't type this right now. So in other words, not too bad!
     
  49. JGads

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    Yep, prefer it sans leather, though in truth I'm now very close in weight to the leather grip with Head Softac Traction grip+gamma supreme OG - both of those grips are heavier than their respective counterparts, so I think I'm only 5g or less than leather.

    With some lead in the hoop, what the more even setup does is drive the ball better for me, I don't brush as much, and the result is a heavier ball than before.

    Yes. I have several head pro stocks. This one fits right in. More pro stocky in feel than any other retail frame I've found.
     
  50. JGads

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    New favorite setup for the 16m, I call it The Yonex - a gram at 12 and then a gram each at the four corners of the head - 2, 10, 4,8. Leather replaced with heavy synthetic+OG, and Tour Bite 16L at 51/52. 337 grams total with damp. So far, gold.
     

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