T Fight 315?

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  1. P.Floyd

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    Thanks for that, JGads, I appreciate it. I guess my understanding of a heavy ball is power (or speed) + spin. So, to be clear for my understanding, if I'm a top-spinning baseliner and I hit with the same technique and racquet head speed with both racquets (which is a function of SW and static weight right?) the pure drive will necessarily produce a heavier ball right? So the TEC315 is really ice cream for flat hitters?
     
  2. JGads

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    Yes, identical swing, pure drive will hit a bigger ball. If you can keep it in consistently, more power to you (literally).

    To the last point, I am by nature a spin-hitting baseliner myself, and the Tecs (esp the 16m) are ice cream for me so it's not just for flatballers by any means.

    But like PP said, these Tecs and the Pure Drive - just two different beasts. This frame is NOT meant to attract Pure Drive users/fans. Even though I'm a baseliner, I've always hated the Pure Drives - far too trampoline-y, stiff, hollow feeling, way over powered (hit too many balls long to go with the screaming winners) ...

    In summation, if you tend to always like Pure Drives, APDs, those kinds of power sticks, the Tecs are not for that crowd and fans of those sticks should look elsewhere.

    If you like Prestiges, Pure Storms, softer more full feeling control sticks, these Tecs could certainly be of interest.
     
  3. P.Floyd

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    Can't thank you enough, really honest and helpful.
     
  4. gavna

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    I strung 2 with Alu Spin at 54lbs - awesome
     
  5. TimothyO

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    Outstanding! Thanks for your insights. I've some extra "mad money" laying around so I might take the plunge and order one of these. Beyond the lower SW it looks right up my alley. Will give it a try.
     
  6. sundaypunch

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    This is right on the money. The 315 is in the same ballpark as a Prestige, not a Pure Drive. Both can hit a heavy ball. A Pure Drive is definitely more powerful. With the 315 you can get away with taking a huge flat cuts at the ball. A Pure Drive would have to be tamed with some spin to take the same swing unless you could keep the ball within a 2' window over the net.

    You have to generate your own power but the 315 can hit a big ball. If you have spinny / loopy strokes a Pure Drive is a better choice.
     
  7. Sunshine22

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    Just got my 2 TFight 315 16m today and thought I'd share the specs. Granted, I paid the extra $10 for TW's racquet matching service, but here are the specs:

    Weight - one is 11.43 oz, the other is 11.45 oz
    Balance - both are 30.7cm (11 pts HL)
    Swingweight - both are 282

    The above specs are with the plastic on handle and the TF dampener wrapped onto handle

    Have both strung with NG/4G hybrid. Unfortunately, rain for the next 2 days so won't be able to hit until Thursday...
     
  8. tennis ratchet

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    i just strung some black code 17 in mine, atw, and that's where i tied mine off as well.. wasn't really a problem, i thought.
     
  9. Power Player

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    Yeah, I have no idea why anyone would think it compares to a Pure Drive.
     
  10. P.Floyd

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    Power Player,

    Beyond your quote above, please find the following data points:

    2012 Pure Drive
    SW - 308
    Weight - 11.1 oz

    Tech Ltd 315 16x19
    SW - 301
    Weight - 11.6 oz

    Then of course, there is the power-map from TW. Do you not see why your comment about a heavy ball was strange? Maybe you mean something other than power/speed + spin as defining a heavy ball?
     
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    No, I know exactly what I am typing. This racquet hits a heavy ball if you have the strokes. Gads explained that rather well I thought.

    You clearly missed my point in that same post. Do not study data, hit with the racquet. Data lies in tennis sometimes.
     
  12. aimr75

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    Why is it strange? It can and does hit a heavy ball.. from what ive skimmed through in these posts, he is referencing a modded 315 with lead giving it a higher static and swingweight. In the right hands, of course it can hit a heavy ball
     
  13. sundaypunch

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    Both of my 18m's are 11.9 oz with OG and dampener. They have plenty of power. I found it to be too powerful with a gut/4G setup.
     
  14. P.Floyd

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    I appreciated the answers provided by Gads and Sundaypunch, they were helpful and facially logical given my own experiences. I'm just pointing out why I referenced the pure drive; and how it came directly from a point you made.

    That's cool. A Pro Tour 630 or PT57A hits a very heavy ball once weighted past 12.25 ounces. Not heavier than a marginally modded Pure Drive though and definitely not a PD that is similarly weighted. We seem to be on the same page, although you kinda want to make a point of the pure drive reference.

    I get it, you love the feel of the racquet and it reminds you of the ones you used in the past. That's cool, really. I'm just trying to parse through someone's nostalgia to determine if this racquet is for me and gives me a performance bump. If the power is not near a pure drive, which Gads and others have confirmed, then I guess it isn't for me.
     
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    Yeah, i love the pure drive but i tend to hit long with it more than with the tfight. Gads and i hit a similar ball. Lots of spin but still through more than brushing.

    We all are saying the same things about the stick. I guess you singled me out because of the weighted up tweener comment, not really sure on that one. I cant really explain it but this racquet just has some nice controllable pop that you would not expect. Its up to you to determine if that works for your game.
     
  16. P.Floyd

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    Ha! You have no idea, I might have singled you out because that comment was my fire alarm to "buy, buy, buy"!
     
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    I received my 315 in the post today. Going to lovingly apply the OG tonight, then wait in anticipation of tomorrow evening when I get to hit with it.

    It came 331g strung with full poly.

    The grip length is about what I expected. The same as the YT Prestige MP. Shorter than the IG Rad Pro but longer than the new Blade 98.

    As for the PD/prestige comparison. I had a PD and went to the YT Prestige MP afterwards. The PD has far more power, but my coach at the time said I hit a heavier ball with the Prestige. A check in on the SW of the 2 would suggest that to be true. But, the ball definitely moved faster off the bed of the PD, no doubt. Just didn't have the weight behind it. That was my experience anyway, for what it's worth.
     
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    Tour Bite Soft is a winner in the 16 for me. Now, I did hybrid it with OGSM as I hate full poly, but I think that is what makes it work so well.

    Only thing is the initial tension loss was 6 pounds..not horrible, but I need it to hold since it went from 53 to 47.

    Makes me think I should string it at 55/57 next time.

    Regardless, this is spin city. Great feel, everything is there. Serves are vicious. Most important, it is really comfortable. I was able to swing with high racquet head speed and keep the ball deep and kicking off the court.

    I am tempted to try this setup in the 18x20 as well, so I will also do that. I just need to get a few more packs, which will happen if this hybrid setup lasts long enough for me. The weird thing is that you can only buy 1.20 or 1.30. So that basically means I will stay with the 1.20 version.

    To me this is much better than regular tour bite so far. It also has that "tour bite" feel when you crank a forehand. It just doesn't bug my arm at all, and I like that.

    Incredible string in the 315, highly recommend it in a syngut hybrid. I think a full bed may be too soft.
     
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    PP, will have to try this setup. I have a reel of OGSM, so will pick up some TB soft.

    Are you leaning to the 16m or still happy with the 18m?
     
  20. Power Player

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    Leaning towards the 16, but Ill need to play more sets against different players. Main reason is the serve with the 16 is real heavy. It's a tough call though because the 18 offers incredible control. Ill set both sticks up the exact same and be able to figure it out from there.
     
  21. JGads

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    Nice. Yeah, I strung full TBS in the 16m at 52/53 and it's just too soft/spongy feeling for me right now about six hours in. The Tec is so soft, the TBS is soft... So I'm going to try regular Tour Bite in the Tec next, which is a combo that felt amazing for me initially in the 16m but I made the mistake of stringing too high with that one (59)... TB at a lower tension than that should feel just right for me, or if I try TbS again in the Tec, it'll be much higher or with a crisp hybrid setup as you're doing.
     
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    I told you it was good. Crazy that both of us are saying a full bed of it may be TOO soft! I found B5E mains to have better spin but it is firmer.
     
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    Yeah, the spin I am getting is pretty wicked, not sure if I would need more honestly.

    Ill spend more time with this setup and go from there. If it gives me a nice window of play, ill be set. It's definitely a lot more comfortable than Ice.

    Mikeler, if you can grab a 315 demo of the 16 mains, I think you will be impressed. The plaza has them sometimes. You can still play the style of game you play with the Prince, but you can also hit flatter and finish points off easier.

    Only thing I am still messing with is the tie offs on the 16 mains version. You can tie off in 2 different holes, and each spot has been a little tricky to get all the slack out of the mains. It may be because the tie off holes are further away from the last main than I am used to.

    But that is a small stringing issue. The racquet itself plays like a dream. Both versions really.
     
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    I may try it if I see a demo on the wall. The Exo has such a high launch angle which I struggle with at times but you can't beat the comfort.
     
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    I have one coming in the mail today. I couldn't find stringing instructions at Technifibre's website, so I tried to figure it out by looking at pictures. Can anyone verify for me that the tie-offs for the 16 mains version for the mains are T6, and the crosses are H7 and T4?

    Thanks
     
  26. Power Player

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    What's your gripsize? Just checking in advance for when you decide to sell it. :) Now, I hope you keep it and grow with it, but this racquet may be tough for 3.0 tennis unless you are dedicated to improvement.

    I can't verify the tie offs right now. But I can tell you that the tie off holes are clearly larger. The top cross ties off a hole above where you start cross 1.

    The tricky thing is what I was asking earlier..you can kind of pick your bottom tie off on the cross and the main tie offs as well. You will see, as the holes are much bigger.
     
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    How much grams of silicone gel did they put into the handle of the TF315 LTD?
     
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    I had my first hit with it today. Coming from a IG Rad Pro (about 5g o lead in the handle to make it about 6-7 pts HL).

    Strung with ALU Rough @50

    This is my opinion of course, I'd say I'm an intermediate level player.

    I do see what people are saying about the SW. It doesn't feel like 300 at all. There's definite solidity and court penetration.

    The sweet spot definitely felt small compared to the Rad Pro, but it's not small like a Prestige Pro or anything, just not big.

    There's no "free" power. If I was late or my strokes were short, I was found out. However, like the Prestige MP I had before, if you set up and took a good long cut at the ball, you were rewarded with plush solidity.

    Serving was a bit off. I demoed the new Blade and was able to serve with that right away, but this will take some time.

    That's my first impression.

    What I would like:

    I wish the sweet spot was a touch bigger and higher up in the head. I felt it was quite low and hitting high in the string bed outside of the sweet spot was a little harsh (full poly). I think it could be a little more stable on balls outside of the sweet spot, it twisted a little more than I was used to.

    I figure that some lead at 9-3 or 10-2 (maybe 9.30 - 2.30) will fix a few of those things at the same time.

    I'm not sure the specs are totally correct. For a 300 SW racquet there is some serious drive if you get yourself correct. The shape of the ball was very nice. I hit with a SW forehand and 2HBH. I'm not a spin monster with huge kicking balls, and this really suited my swing. Driving balls with good net clearance and enough top spin to keep the ball in the court.
     
  29. mikeler

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    Hmm, PP I need a high sweet spot. The previous post makes it sound like it is low.
     
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    Just my opinion. Seems low compared to the IG Rad Pro.
     
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    I put my lead at 10 and 2, and the sweet spot is good to go.

    Lead placement, even just 4 grams really takes this stick up a notch. I don't think it is at it's best in stock form, as it is made to be leaded up a bit.
     
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    That's kind of what I figured when I was hitting with it. I wanted to hit it stock first.

    Don't think I'll go full poly in it again. Will probably hybrid it. Might be the racquet to try gut/poly for the first time.
     
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    I've got 1/4 inch tape. So I need 4 inches to get a gram. Did you use 4 x 4 inch strips, or did you use 8 x 2 inch and double them up at 10-2?
     
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    4x4, thats the only mod I did and the thing lets me hit a pretty mean ball.
     
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    Thanks very much.

    I've never actually put lead tape in the hoop before. How difficult is it to remove it and move it around?
     
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    I can imagine. It hits a pretty driving ball as is. Really doesn't feel like a SW of 300. I totally see what you mean. Worrying about the specs and SW will drive you crazy (if the posted specs are actually correct). Will not be a hit with the MgR/I crowd.
     
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    Nope..lol. the cool thing is you can customize it..make it lighter with a syn grip or make it heavier like Aimr and others have.

    But if you don't want to screw around too much and have a nice setup, then 4 grams at 10 and 2 seems to be the way to go.
     
  38. Carefree

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    thanks very much. you've been a great help.
     
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    I can vouch for Power Players lead setup in this racquet. I too am playing with 4 grams of 1/4" tape at 10 and 2. Absolutely love it. Just ordered my 3rd and 4th racquets.

    I tried full syn gut, but it wasn't for me. I have liked full poly and full multi so far.
     
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    depends. if you apply the lead tape directly to the racquet and leave it there for a few months, it can be hard to remove. also when you remove the lead tape, the adhesive sometimes damages the clear coat paint. however, here's a trick another member shared with me. apply a layer of electrical tape to the racquet where you think you'll be adding lead tape. then apply the lead tape on top of the electrical tape and now moving the lead is a breeze and the electrical tape adhesive isn't strong enough to damage the paint when you remove it.

    here's the stuff i use. i use the white and red tape on my Pure Storms so it's color coordinated that it blends right in w/ the paint scheme.
    [​IMG]
     
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    That's a sweet idea. Thanks very much. It's quite a pretty racquet (and brand new), don't want to ruin the finish. Thanks a bunch.
     
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    no problem, glad i could help. forgot to mention i got my colored tape from Home Depot. just be aware that the electrical tape does add a bit of weight so you can scale back a bit on the amount of lead you use accordingly. using the electrical tape allows you to reuse lead tape over an over again.

    i think TimothyO in another thread mentions that it weighs about half as much as the 1/4" lead tape or something like that.
     
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    I have replaced the leather with the syn grip so my overall static weight is pretty close to yours (12.1oz with the BBO setup and 12oz with the hybrid).. have 6 grams in the hoop and about 4 grams in the the throat.. swings very nice with this setup for me :)
     
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    Close. 8" of 3/4" vinyl tape is 1 gram.

    So on a linear basis it takes twice as much vinyl tape to add one gram compared to lead tape. But in actual area the difference is a factor of 6.

    It really softens the feel too.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=461526
     
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    So, if use a 4 inch strip of 1/4 inch lead tape (1g), and use the same strip of vinyl tape underneath, I will only increase the weight from 1g to 1.17g.

    4 strips = .67g

    It doesn't sound like much, but if you add it all up, in order to keep the weight the same, you would actually use 2.67 inches less of lead tape.

    All assuming the 4 x 4 inch (1g) placement strategy.
     
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    Well, racquet came in today and I strung with my usual, BHB7 17 @ 50 lbs. All I can say is: amazing! I felt much more connected to the ball than with the APD. I also felt like I hit a heavier ball too, like there was simply more mass behind the ball. But since the SW is low, as well as it being very head light, it was very easy to move around the court.

    Backhands were the easiest with this stick. Very easy to swing through. Good touch at net as well.

    Forehands need some re-calibration though. I don't think it's underpowered, I think its very powerful, much more so than my APD. I also didn't think I got much spin with the stick, much more spin with the APD. A lot of forehands hit the back fence.

    I took note at how many forehands (that landed in) were either before or beyond the service line. Way more balls landed beyond the service line with this stick than with my APD. In fact, with the APD, I have to work very hard to get the ball beyond the service line.

    All in all good stick. Still aggravated my wrist though, I don't think it's nearly as flexible as people say it is... but perhaps my wrist needs to lay off the APD for a good month or two to heal.

    Have a match this weekend as well, we'll see what happens. I definitely want to keep going with this stick, i want to learn how to really harness its potential.
     
  47. mad dog1

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    :shock: :confused: :shock: interesting feedback, but everyone is different.
     
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    Played a league match which I lost but no shame in that since the guy is good player which I respect and it was simply loss of concentration in one moment and that was enough.
    Despite the loss what amazed me the most is that my arm is usually little sore next day some shoulder some general fatigue from serving (I usually go for my serve as its my stronger shot )but today... nothing ...like I never played yesterday. Its amazing...
    I have to dial in my grounded as I did not have time to hit any groundstrokes but so far I am sticking with this thing...its like finding a good tennis shoe that does not hurt your feet.
    Next I'm trying gut poly hybrid since I felt that bbo rough lost that magic it had.

    Ps anubis I really feel that wrist pain must be from APD. I have some wristy forehand shots on occasion if I'm running late for exampke and can have sore wrist but with this stick nothing...
     
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    Yes well said. My elbow has recovered and I never get any harsh vibrations if I mishit.

    The feel is so nice that it is really easy to play consistent tennis for me. I like the feel of the 16 mains a little better, but I know at some point I will miss the 18, so ill keep both versions.

    Anubis, If you have an APD, and you can not hit past the service line, this is a technique issue. I don't think you can accurately judge power from racquets yet.

    It is definitely flexible as well. It sounds like you are hurting your arm with poor technique. Stick with it and don't use poly yet. You don't need full poly because you are just hurting yourself with it. I know from experience this racquet delivers with full syn gut, and that's all you need right now at a 3.0 level.
     
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    Hey PP...glad to see you are still grooving with the 315. I have been sticking with the Blade 104 since about the same time you switched and I am so happy with how I have been playing, I have gotten rid of all my excess sticks and have ordered a matched pair from TW. When something comes along that makes such a noticeable difference in your game, you would be a fool to ignore it. I have made it to the quarter finals in my current 3.5 league and am playing better than ever lately. I Played a solid 4.0 last night who says he's a "4.5 on good days" and I stayed with him through 2 long sets. He only broke me once in the 2 sets and although he won 7-6, 6-4, we were on even terms.

    Anyway, just wanted to let you know I am right there with you, since you stopped switching :) But I have to say, the "holics thread" has been quite boring since you left :) Also, glad to hear your elbow issues have subsided. Keep using that flexbar!
     

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