Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Bubbagumptennis, Jan 14, 2013.
nice. looking forward to seeing how you like it.
Heck, even if he HATES it.....nothing that a little lead won't fix right mad dog!? my bestest buddy!
Mad...I found a GREAT stick for you with TONS of room for customization.....REALLY nice reference point to tweak and tinker with. Let me know how it plays!
How does the 18m (leaded to ~320 sw) compare to the new 2013 Blade 98 18 mains in terms of feel and stability?
To Power Player and the other informative posters,
Count me in as another poster who ordered two 315 Ltds today (16x19s in my case). Thanks for all the great feedback guys.
Awesome. Interested in your thoughts after some court time.
Definitely, man, and thanks again for time and help on this; very excited.
So many remarks on the TF315 Ltd. here (actually from a few persons) but hardly any customer feedback post on TW.
Why do such a brilliant frames have so little feedback posts?
it's too exclusive a racket for common riff raff Customer Feedback Gee. pro stock don't you know ;-)
I have bought many, many racquets but never felt the need to leave feedback.
I just leave my feedback here.
It's not a frame for the masses. Most here are probably 3.5 and below and the 315 is a players frame through and through. Must supply all your own power and consistently hit the small sweetspot for it to work.
The "PPE" (Power Player Effect) strikes again
I think strong 4.0 player can easily take advantage from this stick..
It's more about swing style rather than playing level. Anyone who likes to take full swings and big cuts at the ball can enjoy this frame regardless of their level. This frame is not for players who block and dink the ball, but more for players that stroke the ball.
Very well said.
Ordered myself an 18m although being usually a 16m guy. Omg can't wait to feel the power of a pro stock!
Does Tec's 315 buttcap have a trap door to be able to put some extra silicone?
Perfect description. Must hit out. If you punch here, you'll get punished.
Nope but you can use the Head replacement cap.
True, though i guess if you go to the step of swapping butt caps, youre in a position to add silicone while the stock cap is off..
How is your yonex setup going? Have not modded my modded frames yet.. will keep them as is for now and see after a few more hits. Really cant complain about it at this stage
Exactly what I am looking for in the racket. Shipping delays from a little frustrating in Europe but can't wait. Hopefully next week they will arrive.
Great, though my hits have been few and far between in the last couple of weeks. Think I may take one or both grams off of 12 but weight at the four corners is perfect. Evened out the distribution and seems to swing just slightly quicker than the 4 grams all in the upper half along with the non leather grip.
That's mostly true, but I don't know many low level players that take big full swings all the time.
I agree. strong 4.0s can use almost any frame. But many who believe they in this category really are not.
Hey, what can I say, the man speaks sense in a way that I can trust his opinion.
i've seen many low level players with beautiful 4.0+ strokes, but < 3.5 consistency. they'd love this stick.
would it be fair to say all things being equal that this the 315 16x19 will be more powerful than an IG Prestige MP but less powerful than a Yonex 95D?
I only can imagine it with just 3 grams of lead at 2 and 10 o'clock to force the full stroke... :twisted: Not more, just 3 grams overall to push the sweetspot a bit higher and add a bit more SW and stability. Anyone tried this?
don't you think they might be more consistent with a more "user friendly" stick?
Honestly this is how I see myself and I need just that little bit more forgiveness and power.
I'm at 4 in the same position and very happy. Is that close enough?
Just a question: why at 4?
The racquet swings at a weight I prefer.
I"ve got just two grams at 2/10 and works great for me though, similar to Gads, replaced the leather grip with synthetic. Getting great plow through and depth with this racquet; and just love the resounding "thwack" it makes when you hit the sweet spot.Am curious to try the 4 corners approach, though. Any particular advantages, Gads, that you're finding with this spread versus 2/10 or 3/9?
I'm also using the 18m version and getting curious to try out the 16. Heavy topspin is not my game; more traditional, driving game with some spin to keep it in and mix things up. But sounds like the 16 has a fairly tight pattern for a 16 and maybe a tad more power? Might be worth a demo. But, overall, been using this stick for about 4 months now and a definite two thumbs up.
no, inconsistent performance is due to many things other than the actual stroke or finding a more "user friendly" stick. there are so many variables that affect one's ability to hit consistently. you need to get the following right every time whether you're moving in to hit a short ball or you're moving back to set up for a deep ball or moving left/right to dig out a low ball or moving left/right and jumping to hit a jumping forehand/backhand, etc. IMO, the following variables have a greater effect on consistency than the racquet.
full time job leading to lack of court time
full time job + wife leading to lack of court time
full time job + wife + kids leading to lack of court time
full time job + wife + kids + home improvement projects leading to lack of court time
lack of court time then leads to the following:
inability to get consistently good spacing to the ball
poor eye hand coordination
this is a picture of someone with > 3.5 strokes but < 3.5 consistency.
Excellent post Mad Dog!
There are folks at our club who literally hit balls ONLY on match day. Otherwise they don't practice and don't play casually. They frequently get spanked and never improve.
Meanwhile my 11 year old hits nearly every day after school and his development has been dramatic. He can hit harder and with greater consistency than many (most?) of the adults at our club.
He's also very picky about his frame. He uses a AG 4D 300 that he modified himself with my help. Based on his size, strength and stroke he prefers his frame setup a certain way. He even likes it to sound a certain way!
Hardware will never substitute for court time. You need to spend time developing the anticipation, footwork, and timing which allows you to get to the ball early and setup for a solid, smooth stroke while focusing on the ball. As I tell my sons, actually hitting the ball is the least important part of hitting well. Your brain, your eyes, and your feet are more important.
But having a frame tuned to your preferences can make that hitting experience for fruitful and comfortable.
Seems we share similar thoughts and racquet preferences. you like the Pure Storm GT. so do i. 8)
Ditto to you as well. what you said is so true. i always get a good chuckle when i read the "can't beat a pusher" threads. the theme is always the same. OP has better looking strokes and loses to a player with crappy looking strokes. seems they fail to grasp that the game of tennis is so much more than the actual stroke. like you said, hitting the ball is just a small part of playing well. these "pushers" win because they have better anticipation, speed, timing, athleticism, and/or conditioning which makes them a better tennis player even though they have ugly strokes.
I don't disagree with anything you've said here. It's never JUST one thing or JUST the racquet causing inconsistencies. I never claimed that. But.....if you have poor timing...or bad footwork...or bad spacing or any of the issues you mentioned above...it's easier to get the ball back over the net with a racquet with a larger sweetspot, more free power and more manageable swingweight. Add a players racquet into this equation and the results won't be the best.
I just think there are many on these threads that "think" their strokes are much better than they really are...myself previously included, that do themselves a disservice by not using something that makes the game easier.
There are SO MANY other things to worry about to play consistent tennis (as you so nicely documented), that the racquet shouldn't be questionable in relationship to your own abilitites or technique. Just to be clear...I'm not talking about your specifically MD, as I know you are a high level player (4.5?). And I am not saying the TF315 can't be used succesfully by a 3.5, but more often than not, said player would greatly benefit from a more appropriate racquet.
Yes, but these pushers are also winning with their oversized, thick beamed frying pans and laughing at these so called "better players" with their "pretty strokes" and their Wilson 6.1 mids. Personally, I would rather come out on top on the scoreboard
I completely agree with you even though I'm one of the lower level players who enjoys this racquet (decent intermediate player). But, I think that this goes back to old debates about whether it's good for players to learn with more demanding racquets because it emphasizes good technique, or just get a powerful racquet that will help with poor strokes.
For me, personally, learning to play with a Pure Drive was terrible for my development overall based on what my end goals as a player are/were. I could get away with an awful backhand because I could always get the ball deep. Moving to a more "advanced" frame showed me that I needed better technique as my backhand was found out (not this frame, I've had a few in between).
If my goal/play was only playing matches and worrying about results, then no this wouldn't be the racquet for me. However, my goal is to be a better player and since I'll never play at Wimbledon, I don't really care about winning matches (don't get me wrong, I get frustrated when I play poorly). I kind of like my losses (as much as anyone "likes" losing) as it shows me what I need to work on (the most!).
To me, the improvement is the fun, like most of my other hobbies. Trying new racquets is fun. A hobby "rec stock" racquet is fun.
This racquet doesn't make the game easier, but it does make it fun and it feels awfully good. I like that I can hit out with it with full strokes and am rewarded for doing so as well as punished for being sloppy.
Just my opinion, of course.
that's a false assumption. players with solid strokes and fast swings will generally maintain that fast swing so if their timing is off (late) or they end up jamming themselves due to poor footwork & spacing, the ball usually ends up flying long. adding a stick w/ a larger sweetspot and more free power doesn't help. in this case a lower powered players stick does. 8)
it's the players who chop, dink, bunt, or block back shots who can benefit more from the higher powered racquets because they don't generate enough RHS to get the ball deep enough with a lower powered stick.
Unfortunately, with that sort of frame with its big SS and easy power, it's also easier to spray balls long or wide. There are lots of rec players condemned to tapping the ball for fear of hitting long. Use the sort of full stroke that pros teach with such a frame and you'll hit the back fence.
Even the highly skilled TW playtesters will pan a string or frame for lack of control and fear of hitting long. If highly skilled players with years of experience find it difficult to control a given frame then what hope does a rec player have of developing proper skills when using such frames?
Here's the thing. The tennis court's dimensions haven't changed in many decades and even the ball hasn't changed much in years and years. The environment is designed for wood frames with their small sizes and big flex. And then we introduce giant, stiff, light/fast, powerful frames for a space designed for very different frames.
It's no wonder that so many people get TE from bad form when they're forced to fight their frames.
who ever wins is the better player on that day regardless of strokes or racquet type. as i said, being pretty while hitting the ball is just a SMALL part of tennis.
Ok. I got a pair of 18m today in L3 grip.. the very first thing I did I weighted them as they were after unboxing (with plastic on a handle).. and difference was... 5g. Ok, I took off leathers from both, weighted again and... difference came with 0.5g! Good job TF!
One leather was 17.3g whereas another - 21.5g
So I left heavier and replaced light one with Head Leather tour (actually I did not feel the difference in feel between these 2 leathers - both are quite soft and comfortable)
Eventually, strung with TF XR3 16g @ 58, with 2 overgrips, with Sampras dumpener and 3g in the hoop they are 341.6 and 341.9 respectively and with same balance - 32.5cm.
Will hit on weekend...
I just ordered a pair of 16 m today, I ordered also to be identical in specs and Paul Reed from TW, found out of 16 rackets they had in stock 2 that were almost identical.
Lets see how they play when I get them !!!
This is me but i still love using the tec 315.
Can anyone post pics of what the bumper guard looks like on the 315 ltd. 16x19? I have a pt-965af-1(PU) made for Verdasco, and i think this racquet truly is the same mold (except the one i have is extended at 27.25"). I'd be ecstatic if it uses the same grommets and bumperguard as my prostock. Here's some pics:
Verdasco's frame is 27.25?? That's awesome. I've been going on and on to Mad Dog of late about how 27.25 just seems to be perfection for me - my best tennis seems to be coming from my pro stock Prestige and Radicals that are 27.25, and then I've been loving my latest Tec 315 addition, and then MD looked closer and noticed that that frame was curiously about 27.2 - just a hair shorter than my 27.25 sticks but clearly longer than all of our other Tec 315s
Does the bumperguard on the 315 16x19 look almost identical to this?
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