Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Bubbagumptennis, Jan 14, 2013.
you guys should post pics of your set ups
Go with the 16 main. I started with the 18 then migrated to the 16. It's more forgiving. More powerful. They are both really comfortable. IMO both have a great feel to them. There is a noticeable drop off in control but the other positives make up for it. If you spend more time playing tennis rather than talking tennis you can wield this or any other frame with ease.
Btw. You should exercise the option of demoing both if possible.
MAXXply, im in NSW as well. If you are going to order let me know and we can split shipping!!
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342 grams strung with overgrip
karakal PU synthetic replacement grip
2 grams at 12, 4 grams 3/9
4 grams in throat
Hi my friend
The 4 grams in the throat are just to increase the static weight? Because in that place does not affect the balance and SW.
Keep posting the pics with the set ups !!!!
I did and it's much better for me.
I had two frames matched by TW and the lead in the throat was done by the customiser. I decided to further modify it removing leather and adding the lead on the hoop. I didnt touch any mods done by the customiser to ensure the frames stay matched. Fortunately the current setup works very well for me
My whirlwind weekend finished yesterday with a match in which I lost spectacularly on, breaking my 12 match winning streak (in general) and my 7 match winning streak with this particular frame. But he was a very good 3.5 and had an answer for all my shots that were typically winners @ the 3.0 level. I lost 6-4, 6-3.
52 lbs I think is still too loose for this frame. Still too many shots were sailing long, shots that would have landed in with the APD. I'm starting to think that the spin potential for this frame is significantly less than larger, more open string patterns. I'm starting to have a lot of trouble generating spin.
I strung it up yesterday @ 54 lbs, we'll see how that feels for my match tomorrow. if that doesn't work, then I'll move up to 56 lbs.
Consequentially, my opponent yesterday strung his PSTs with a poly/syn gut hybrid @ 64 lbs. Perhaps that's why he was able to take huge cuts at the ball. I swear I felt like he hit with almost 2x as much pace as I did.
Where are you on SW and weight?
I'm at SW 321, 340g, 6 pts HL. Just hit for an hour with my sons and it was much better than last night. No more balls sailing long. Tension has been VS/Black Fire at 56/50 (machine was a CP). Accuracy and consistency are better too with the extra SW.
Might add a few more Gs at head and under grip. Even though I'm approaching my preferred static weight limit the frame still feels fast. Other frames at the same SW and lower static weight can feel sluggish by comparison.
At least for me I believe part of this issue of having balls get away was the lack of plow. I saw something similar with my PSGTs in stock form. They too needed a little boost before I got enough plow to help with spin generation.
Swing weight is 318, static weight is 340. I'm estimating swing weight, just through using online calculators. My scale shows an even 12 grams.
I think I may need to counter-balance the weight I added to the hoop by putting some lead strips on the pallet, but I'm afraid of peeling back the leather grip: will it just stick back on or do I have to re-glue it? Do I need to remove the butt cap too?
Thats super easy. You will be able to rewrap the grip with no problem.
I would not take off the buttcap and I would not remove the staple from the leather grip. That way you will simply rewrap the leather by pulling it tight and matching up with the overlap lines from the original wrap.
As for the spin and the pace..that is just practice. This is the same frame Verdasco uses at about the same swingweight, he just has his at 355 or 365 (forget which). Now no one here will play like that, but the point is that the power is definitely there.
Other guys using basically the same frame are Berdych and Murray. so between those 3 you have a spanish clay specialist with a monster forehand and big spin, a flat hitting guy suited for hard courts and grass, and a grinder who can hit about any shot in the book.
My point is that you can get more power and spin with more practice. My current hybrid of polybreak and OGSM is in the upper 40s and I am not hitting long very often. It sounds like you need to stick with a good coach and practice a lot. 52#s with poly is plenty high.
I would honestly ditch the poly as you are a 3.0 and have no use for it. You are only hurting your game. You need to be able to hit with spin using synthetic gut before you will have racquet head speed that is acceptable for poly. If you are hitting long at 52#s full poly, you have low head speed and need to work on technique.
Thanks for the advice about the grip. I will experiment with that later, I really feel like I should have a polarized setup to keep the balance the same. Since I added 4g near noon, I should probably add 4g on the handle and the balance should return to what it used to be.
As to poly, I am afraid to stop using it. Call it superstition, I guess. Out of 29 matches so far this year, 25 of them were played with poly. 4 with nylon (Dunlop Hexy Fiber 17).
Of the 4 that were played with nylon, my win/loss record was 2-2.
Of the 25 that were played with poly, my record is 22-3. And, after losing to two different people while playing with nylon, I then went on to defeat them while using poly later on.
So I can't really see it as hurting my game much.
You are playing at a 3.0 level. All that data is meaningless unless you want to stay at a 3.0 level.
If you want to get better at tennis, you will need to fix your technique and that will mean you will lose matches for a while until you get better.
You can't win matches at 3.0 with full nylon? That's a technique issue. I can beat 4.5s with full nylon. Superstition is a non factor here. That's just an excuse.
If you are happy playing lower level rec tennis, then do whatever you want. But you are fooling yourself if you think poly is good for your game. I can tell from your posts and your level of play that you do not have the technique for the string. Why waste money and not get better? To me it makes no sense.
You want to maximize this racquet and use it right? Put nylon in there and learn how to really hit the tennis ball. You will enjoy the game even more and your spin generation will be crazy when you return to poly. Right now, you have no spin, and hence are hitting long even with full poly in the 50s while using a control racquet.
OK, let's say just for grins that I go home tonight, cut out the poly from this frame and string it up with Some nylon. Off the top of my head, I think I have Babolat Addiction, Gamma syn gut and Dunlop Hexy Fiber in stock at the moment (all 17g). If I picked one of them and strung it up at, oh, 60 lbs I guess, then what do you think I would gain from that setup during my match scheduled for tomorrow?
Or, better yet, let's not think of it as "gaining", think of it as "not harming my game" instead. How would that help my game? What affect do you think it would have?
I'm just curious, that's all. It's clear to me that you take this seriously, and I appreciate your opinion on this matter.
For your match you would gain nothing. For your long term development, and arm health you would gain a lot.
Like I said- I don't think you have proper spin technique yet. So what you will gain with nylon is the ability (with coaching) to hit through the ball and learn proper topspin technique.
It will save you a fair amount of cash as well. Once you can hit with spin using nylon, your game will go up a level. For a while you may lose some matches, but long term you will have better technique.
Look at it like this - you are using full poly and not generating enough racquet head speed to keep the ball from going long at 52#s. You want to keep cranking up the tension when instead you should be able to keep the ball in even in the 40s. If I can play an ex college player who bangs the snot out of the ball with the same stick with just poly mains in the 40s, you should be able to do the same at a 3.0 level against someone who is giving up much easier balls.
Ordered an 18x20 based on TW review and comments here. Current setup after adjustments: 1g@12, 4g@3/9, 3g at the end of handle under leather. Final weight 340g, 6.6 pts hl, estimated sw 320. Strung Pacific gut 17/Silverstring 1.20 @ 48/45, which turned out to be perfect.
Had a brief hit with the racquet. Ridiculous amount of control, very sweet ball feel, generous sweetspot, more maneuverable than racquets with similar specs. I was most concerned about power and spin especially coming from 16 mains, but surprisingly the racquet provided adequate as long as you take a relaxed and full swing.
The racquet does exactly what you put in. Nothing less, nothing more. It's like photographing in full manual mode or driving a stick shift. Also, it reminds me of the supposed YouTech technology (at least per HEAD): the harder you strike the ball, the better the racquet responds (extra stability and power). When hitting pace picks up, it definitely has an extra gear or two in reserve. I can see how higher level players get more out of the stick, or from adding more weight to the racquet.
The racquet wasn't as unforgiving as I was afraid it to be, but I did need to watch my footwork, prepare early, and meet the ball out front. When I do, the reward is heavenly, both in feel and ball quality. It's still probably too much of a frame for me to switch to, but it's lot of fun playing with it. The racquet just played natural to me although never an 18m person.
PS - half set of Pafici gut wasn't long enough when tensioning last mains on my drop weight, I had to extend the string. Also, 3 or 4 grommet holes cracked after strung (with gut @48 lbs!), and the strings are touching the frame directly. TW doesnt have the grommets listed, does anybody know if I can use grommets of other models? Thanks.
^^ nice! i find it to feel quite like a PT630 but with more oomph.
new grommets cracked??? you could just tube the cracked grommets for now.
If your match record is 24-5, you need to get moved up a level.
All: careful with peeling off lead on these sticks. Paint comes off very easily. Putting down a layer of electrical tape and then the lead on top of that would be advised if you're sensitive about the paint.
At the 3.0 level, what wins matches is getting the ball back over the net one more time than your opponent. Not strings, not tension, not the racquet.
I can't help but think you would be a lot better off with something more appropriate for your level. Something like a Volkl V1 Mp or Wilson Juice 100.
Also the racquet, strings and tension your opponent is using is irrelevant to your game.
^^ isn't this the 315 fan club? if you're not a fan or user of the 315, the police of precinct 315 will be asking you to leave. :twisted: :lol:
I demo'd it for 10 minutes
OK, I'll butt out - buhbye.
We need you, don't butt out!
You're truly our conscience...
However, given the number of frame you've used over the last couple of years I can't tell if you're the devil or the angel!
Only a fellow racquetholic can provide credible advice here!!!
Always thought it usually helps to have a racquet with strings, strung at tension to get the ball over the net
unless youre roddick
Pretty nice footwork, eh? And wrist angle too...
Stick with whatever works for you. If you put in the time to improving your game what string you use matters about 5% at best. Try some different tensions. The 315 is a great racquet whether you're Verdasco or a rec 3.0. And if you want to really elevate your game this racquet will get even better for you.
Because he's a 4.0 hopefully heading to 4.5 and can use a dose of more power without arm problems or losing control.
A 3.0 has no strokes that he will keep for more than 2 years, if he ever makes 3.5.
I'll take a wild guess - maybe he just plays tennis for recreation and enjoys trying new racquets?
Well, I think I'll take a brake from poly. My 54 lb experiment really hurt my forearm tonight while hitting against the wall. i was just testing out the tension, getting ready for tomorrow's match. I didn't last 30 minutes out there, just horrible pains in my forearm, my inside forearm. After 30 minutes, I could barely hold the racquet, much less a bottle of water. Very strange feeling, never had that issue before. Usually it's my wrist that hurts, but that doesn't hurt anymore.
Anyway, I can only assume it has to do with tension. So I cut those strings out and put in Dunlop Hexy Fibre 17 @ 56 lbs. Hopefully any extreme stiffness from the strings will subside with that soft multi in there.
Don't need to be Roddick heheh , you can check this out in Vietnam , 4 woody chairs .
wow thats a ton of lead. on a 315 no less
His racquet weighs 342? It's really not a ton of lead on a stick made to be leaded up.
Ugh, that sucks man. This is why I say poly is no good for 3.0 players. It just requires really clean technique. It sounds like golfer's elbow, which poly is really good at causing. Take a little time off and use soft strings and you will be fine.
How does poly cause TE/GE based on NTRP?
Poor technique. It's very rare to see a sub 4.0 or 4.5 hitter who does not arm the ball. I have never seen a 3.0 hitter with clean technique either. so that means tons of framing, arming and hitting out of position far too much.
I agree that you see more of that at lower levels. I know that until recently I armed the ball a lot in really casual mix doubles. My arm would ache afterwards. Now I just volley and half volley a lot to avoid hitting too hard to some of the ladies and I'm fine. I've really focused on improving my anticipation skills which makes moving to the ball easier which makes hitting easier. Sometimes I feel like tennis instruction is backwards. They always start with hitting when thinking first and moving better make hitting easier!
I guess I just don't see the connection with polyester. Seems to me that arming, framing, and struggling to hit from out of position is more a matter of racquet weight and SW than string.
I know that I struggle with timing given my lower/mid skill level when using higher SW frames.
Which, BTW, I must thank you again for your suggestion on dropping SW while buffing static weight.
Last night I hit with friends using the specs in my signature below (343g, 7HL, SW 321). It felt great and I wasn't late vs fast serves like when my SW was 330+. But there was still enough mass and just enough SW for stability. Very comfortable and excellent control.
I think you missed what I am saying kind of.
Arming, framing, poor footwork has little to do with the racquet. Basically the racquet you use just has to sync up with how you hit and your timing. The rest is all about technique.
Do you set up on time for your strokes.Have good movement, hit clean, hit with high racquet head speed and generate your own pace?
None of that really matters about the racquet at all.
Arming the ball..that is technique .That is also why lower level players dont need poly strings. It is a waste of $$. Until you are breaking synthetic gut too fast to deal with, there is no real reason to not use it or a multi or full gut (if you want to spend the dough).
None of this really has much to do with the racquet. I could give you a 9 ounce tweener, and if your footwork blows, you will still arm the ball and still be late on your contact point. And that is how lower level players get tennis elbow rather fast when they combine their play with poly strings.
You are using gut mains, so its not as big of a deal,its really just overkill. If you have the cash, go for it. But in the Tfight 315 you could put forten sweet or Prince syn gut in there and hit the ball just as well at a 3.5 level. If that forten doesn't break before 8-10 hours, than you just saved a ton of money.
Got it. You're not saying the strings are the cause. Their value just can't be exploited at lower levels. Closer?
The only thing I would disagree on is the value of a gut/poly hybrid, even at 3.5.
I've tried other setups and nothing makes it as easy to generate topspin for me as gut/poly. I describe it as "casually accessible" spin. That extra spin gives me extra net clearance and a larger margin of safety inside the lines without having to swing has fast/hard as with other setups.
In fact, extra mass + gut/poly means an easier hitting experience for me. I readily admit it's almost a crutch it's so easy to hit with spin while still not swinging that hard.
Also, as far as arm comfort goes, I really enjoy the feeling of gut mains, even if the poly cross is "stiff" as with something like 4G. I get tons of control, easy power, and plenty of comfort.
re: racquet weight/SW versus skill level I've come to believe that lighter, stiffer frames allow lower level players to "cheat" their strokes and still get the ball over the net. They don't need to meet the ball well prepared as with a heavier frame so anticipation and movement skills mean less. Just scramble to the ball, whack at it with poor form, and voila! The ball makes it over the net with relatively effective pace and depth.
I think that's why so many lower/mid level players suffer arm injuries. They CAN arm the ball with their lighter, stiffer frames and still "play" tennis but using really poor, injury inducing form.
Hey Power Player, I took a vid last night of me hitting just before my forearm started to hurt. What would you say is one of the biggest issues with my technique? I can have a lesson with a local teaching pro next week, and it would give me some topics to discuss.
It's just 30 seconds, and sorry for the poor quality of video. Not sure why youtube doesn't behave itself, the original was recorded on my iPhone @ 1900x1080 HD.
I know that I don't bend my knees enough, and I know I still hit from my back leg too much... so I'm trying to work on those things.
Anubis, it is tough to tell you much since you are hitting against the wall and not being moved around by a person.
It looks like you arm the ball a bit, especially on the high balls. That is a movement thing..you want the ball more in your strike zone as much as possible. You are just jumping up and slapping at it.
It's tough to tell how good your footwork is, and I'm not a great coach by any means. But it looks like you could play at a 3.5 level, and just have to work on using less arm.
I would suggest Lock N Roll tennis. It is one of the best online resources I have seen that will help with that issue, and it's free.
Thanks for the information.
Well that pan is not too far from his pure drive stiffness and feel so he should feel right at home
figure you 18:20 guys will appreciate this...
what do you mean on a 315 no less? Static weight is only 342 and SW feels fine. These things work great with some lead
Hi. Just got my Tec 315LTDs, 18M and 16M, then swapped the pallets to TK82S.
The racket below is 18M without replacement grip but 1 yonex supergrap overgrip. Lead added, 1 gram, at 10/2, 0.5 gram each point.
And the 16M with Tourna Tour grip. Lead added, 1.5 gram, at 10/2.
who is this guy? and anyone got any idea what his weight setup is?
That's Aljaž Bedene Slovenian upcoming pro think ranked 71 he lost to Tsonga at this year French open. Use to be a head player but looks like switched to technifibre.
Not sure what's his racquet specs but from the photo you can see lead at bridge area probably too match weight
Is that lead or just a sticker?
I just hit with my new 315 ltd 16*19 , and damn its a great racket !!!
The last year my main racket was a PT57A XL, very heavy static weight and a SW of 375, then I changed to Blade 93, I could handle it right then my last racket was the Volkl C10.
But this 315 is the best racket I have used in a long time, it reminds me of the PT57A XL, but a lot lighter.
It plays great is just missing a little bit of mass, but since I´m not getting any younger instead of adding more mass I want to get use to it as is.
As soon I received it, in stock form I added 6 grams to the hoop, 2 grams at 3,9 and 12 .
With the final specs of :
My initial order was of 2 match rackets, but today I order another one, these are GREAT rackets !!!
To the guys that have tried lots of different leather grips:
What's the tecnifibre leather grip like compared to the other usual suspects (Volkl, Bab, Wilson, Pacific).
I assumed that it was in line with the Bab and Wilson which all seem to be well below the Head FC and Fairway.
Cmendez, that is a great setup for the 315. I found that a little lead at 12 in the 16 mains version really makes the stick come alive.
As for leather, I have used Babolat and the Head leather that comes on their pro stock racquets. I am probably not a great source of info since I liked them all.
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