Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Bubbagumptennis, Jan 14, 2013.
Yes they do......
Ok here is my initial review after 3 hours.
Knowing this racquet would swing too light after getting it measured, I put 2 grams at 3, 9 and 12. It weighed 342, SW around 318, 5-6pts hl. I wanted to salute the past so I had the shop throw in POSG at 56#s.
Serves were solid. This racquet has "the sound" on contact. Not difficult, but I could tell the racquet was swinging a little fast for me. There is very good spin on the serves and flats are very precise.
At first the racquet was swinging fast for me so it took a little time to get used to groundstrokes. Once I got the timing though, I started hitting the nice line drive balls with crazy precision. The racquet feel is real similar to the pt630 to me. It is extremely comfortable, and hitting forehands and backhands with it is incredibly accurate. Easily as good as the Dunlop 200 to me. And speaking of that, I have an old Mfil in my closet. It appears to be the same size, and I think this is a 95 and not a 98.
Compared to the 200, the Tec has more power. But it is not a powerful racquet. It is a little hard to describe, but I was able to hit deep and controlled shots after getting used to the stick. Besides the feel, the consistency and accuracy of the racquet is the selling point. I found it easier to hit tight corners over and over again. This racquet was rewarding, but you have to turn to the side and prep on all your shots and have good footwork to get the most out of this stick. I also think you have to play this racquet at a little heavier weight since it swings so fast. I had no trouble hitting approaches, it was very easy to fling them over the net, which is how I know when a racquet is too heavy for me.
Thought the grip shape would bug me, but so far it is ok. It is the first Head grip I have used in 1/4 size. That is the way to go for me. I had no trouble finding my grips.
I also added 2 more grams to 12. I want to see how that plays and add a little plow. Still need time to nail the lead so im interested in seeing what you folks do. Im currently 5 pts hl and at 344 - 325 SW. Definitely do not want to go much heavier as the ability to whip a 12oz racquet is pretty awesome.
So far the racquet is very very impressive to me. If you can generate your own power and know how to mod racquets and make them fairly heavy, its incredible. It also is incredibly comfortable for the level of feel it provides.
Do you think the comfort is because of the handle? Is the silicone in the handle noticeable?
I think the comfort is due to a combination of the flex, the layup and the silicone.
I have read that you played the TFight 305, what would be your comparisons between the two racquets as far as performance goes? I know the 305 is much stiffer, and I play the 325 myself, but just out of curiosity.
If you guys are interested, here is the TW review of the 16M version!
I would ignore some of the comments from the testers like: "It reminds me of Head Speed 16x19" or "Presige pro"...
IMO, the TF315 has nothing incommon with those two, and those two are different from each other...
I think the 305 is a little easier to use than the 315. It hits a nice line drive ball and reminds me a lot of the blade. The issue I had with it was the stiffness was pretty high.
The 315 beats it in control and feel. 305 has a little more power. They both hit a similar ball. I think the 305 is the closest stick to the Blade out there.
What's with that 18x19 pattern on the 305? Is that considered open or closed? Since it still has only 19 crosses, it should be fairly open? Its like if a 16x19 and a 18x20 had a baby.
Its real closed. My friend randomly demoed it and we both loved it. He ended up buying the Juice Pro though. But it was basically the catalyst that got me into the Blade.
My issues with it were the grip shape was weird (not the same as the one on the 315) and it was stiff.
I would think that MAINS dictate the openness of the pattern, and amount of spin access. 18x19 should be closer to 18x20 rather than to 16x19
Ok, so I've had two sessions with lead. During the first, I applied 6 grams at 10 and 2, 4 strips of 6" long 1/4 " lead tape. This amount was a little too much without additional weight in the handle.
For the second session, I didn't feel like removing the grip to add weight to the handle so, I removed 2" from each strip closer to 3 and 9. This left me with 4 grams at 10 and 2. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I may order two more of these. I'm done tinkering with it.
Interesting. I should be close myself. I think 8 grams of lead may nail it for me. Will find out next time I hit. I was real close with 6, but I think that little extra will give me the plow I want.
I was thinking about removing the leather, but I don't think that is going to work out. This racquet really needs to weigh ~12 ounces or more IMO. If not, you are going to have to swing too hard to generate depth and heaviness.
I have also been experimenting with lower tensions, so the lighter weight than I normally play has been offset by this to some degree. I currently have my leaded racquet strung with Razor Code at 53lbs. I've posted previously that I didn't care for this string, but now that I have change the swing weight slightly, I like it much better. My next stringing will be with my favorite Black Magic, full job, at probably 50.
These are phenomenal racquets.
Gotcha. TF really doesn't have a current line racquet for the club/rec player that isn't very stiff (near 70). Since the 315 is low powered, I will try full multi at low 50's and not make it too heavy. Maybe just (4) 4" strips at 3/9? Then my only issue will be the smallish sweetspot. The 4 things that make a racquet easy/hard are: weight/swingweight, hoop size, sweetspot size & power. I am good with 3 out of the 4, assuming I can get enough power from full multi.
The most important thing is you have to know how to consistently transfer your weight into the shot with this racquet. The rest of the stuff you will figure out if you stick with it. This racquet has a lot to it - you won't figure it out in one session and it will take weeks or months to really gel with it. The reward is the incredible consistency and feel. but if you can't provide your own power and hit clean, it is very hard to make magic happen with this stick.
All that being said, it is not super demanding. Tough to describe how it plays exactly.
+1 on putting your weight into the shot, an absolute must here, along with the 'tough to describe how it plays' ... It's not a stick that I know and can describe very well after one hit. Like most first dates. Second and third, then you start getting somewhere.
I did find a small difference in the 18M v 16M.........on the outside of the 18M frame at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions there are plastic "shock absorbers".
Not sure why? I haven't heard back from a Techifibre rep as to why on the 18 but not the 16. Kinda odd.
Yes that is weird, why they don't use it on the 16x19 grommets ?
?????????i know right?????
Tell you what the 16M is awesome.........I have been playing it at 325g with just some tape between 11 and 1 o'clock and very very sweet. Volleys were a bit off for the first few hours.
I strung it with Razor Code 18g at 58 lbs - on the Har Tru yesterday it was sweet but i could o down 3 to 5 lbs. on hard courts this a.m. It was perfect.......almost like it better than the 18m!
So you removed the leather and just have a small amount of tape up top, then? Any more thoughts on the 16m vs the 18m would be appreciated.
Everyone: what's your preferred string setups so far? (and specify 16m or 18m)
This is real interesting. I felt like this stick would play better heavier, but you have yours set up like the blade it sounds like. What is the balance when you take off the leather and add lead to the tip? I'm guessing 2pts hl or close to even.
I will string up 4 like this today and get to a RDC machine Monday or Tuesday to get exact numbers........I leave the leather on, old school I hate the newer Syn "squishy" rips........I have one Tourna Grip layer then add a second using a very very thin Wilson or Babolat over grip - brings it to almost a 5/8.
But 325g is less than stock weight, so unless you got one very under-weight, would seem impossible to play at that weight by ADDING Tourna and OG to leather, plus lead?
Since you have so many sticks, you can really take some different setups to the court and compare. You must do this for the good of mankind.
Seems to me that these frames really respond to 3/9 weight more than 12, so just weight at the top like you have it surprises me a bit, that that's the best setup you've found.
Awesome. I do the same. I like the leather feel a lot. I have lead in the same spot as you, and also some at 3 and 9. But yeah, like gads said, the 325 # is low. Did you mean 345?
Players stick. In my experience it is forgiving in that I keep the ball in play when I hit outside the sweetspot or shank a ball. I echo other players in that you do need to supply your own power. I'm even channeling my twenty-something form by utilizing a huge jump on groundstrokes. I do miss the power of the Donnay Pro 1 but I hit the ball long far far less with the 315 18M. In a battle between consistency & power potential I'm leaning towards consistency. Although I do think if I tweaked my strokes for more spin I could achieve the same consistency with the P1. The control aspect is also a huge plus for the 315 M.
can it just be strung with full multi to make up for the low power? Can u compare the power level to another popular stick? Is it like Prestige MP like low?
I might even say lower.
Yea trying to get close to 350.....it's at 345-347 now.....*#% IPAD keyboard.
Do it for myself.........I play senior ITF events and my last child is a Jr. Gonna mess around - in Florida for the week at Sony - played all this morning at the hotel - right now sitting courtside watching watching Tsonga try to gag the first set
Im with you. In matchplay I tend to hit long more than I tend to need power. The control of the 315 is the best I have had.
Another thing, just from looking at my strings - I am killing the sweetspot a lot more with this stick. Im not all over the bed like I have been with others. Not sure if this is due to the weight of the stick or what. I was the same way with the Head prestige mid. For some reason I just hit the sweetspot a lot more. It doesnt make much sense, but its my experience.
Its lower. It has the power, but you have to have the strokes. If you can get to the side for all your shots, move your feet and have pretty high head speed, it plays like a dream. If you can't, you will be hitting sitters regardless of what string you put in.
I honestly think it is going to appeal more to players who started playing pretty young, love the old classic Head feel and want something a little easier than the old classics that weighed 12.5 with no lead.
My son just switched 2 weeks ago to the 16M and we have been tweaking the strings - he loves RPM Team and blast (dunno why) in it -
I tried the 16g and 17g razor code but found hat the 18g is best.
Weird how the razor code seems thicker? The 16g is just like rope to me........18g nice this a.m. For me - warm and muggy today
I feel like this stick is not going to be very string sensitive and you can do about anything your heart desires. Full gut at 62#s..Syn gut at 56#s, poly in the upper 40s, upper 50s..whatever. It probably will go alone with whatever your preference is.
I mean just playing with Prince Syn gut feels incredible and the spin is excellent. I'd stay with that if it would last over 5-6 hours.
Anyway, going to try Polybreak mains at 48/OGSM at 52 next. Thats my typical hybrid tension setup. If I can get away with using Dunlop Ice again, ill probably use that as well since I have a reel of it.
My 18m is 335g with OG. I tried it with BHB7 (16) at 52 lbs and it was indeed very low powered. It feels like it could use a bit more weight. It is so comfortable, I am hoping to leave it alone and try a more powerful string setup. I have restrung with Classic gut / Pro Line II at 57/53 and will see how that plays.
Tried the 315 with the 4 grams at 12 plus 2 on 3 and also 9. It was too much power. Went back to the 2x2x2 setup (3, 9 and 12) and boom I was back. I'm staying with this setup. It just works for my swing.
Stick is 342, balance a little under 6 pts HL, SW ~320.
Totally loving it.
Sounds like you've tweaked it just right for yourself. Will you be switching ?
YEs, I'm in. Bought another one. Absolutely loving it man. You are going to be very happy.
Here is my lead setup if anyone is curious.
Looking forward to it. Mine have been customised by Paul at TW. 330.0g, 31.0cm & 287SW (unstrung with overgrip). Went with the 16m. Given that I have the 57a's, would not be worth getting the 18m as they would be too similar. Have always wanted a 57a in a 16/19 pattern. So this is a good option without selling a kidney.
How does it compare to the PSTGT or Graphene Speed Pro? I am tempted from all the good reviews you guys are posting.
Yep, Gads knows his stuff and he is loving the 16 mains. I just had to stay 18 because I have grooved my strokes to tight patterns over the past 6 months, and I don't want to change anything.
I like it better than the PTSGT. Feel is better, power is lower, racquet is very fast through the air and not sluggish. Serves are much easier.
The thing is, I played a head graphite master for 10 years. It was the same specs, but weighed more. around 355 and a 320 SW. So I may be biased. It just feels like I am coming home to my old racquet. I had assumed that I would never get a stick I could keep under 12.5 that would feel like this. My first try was the Tfight 335 a few years back, and it weighed a lot. Then they discontinued it, went with the modern, tinny hollow feel in the v02s and I gave them a shot, but just couldn't make peace with the feel. Tracked down old prestige mids, but I struggled on clay with the smaller head...tried donnays, close but they had some QC issues and I never fully felt that "extension of the arm" feeling..so to have a stick like this is a godsend for me.
1. IIRC the Prestige has more plow then this TF so the power of the prestige is greater all things equal.
2. I have not played the 16 mains but I'm sure it has more power than the 18M. I have an 18M strung with Cyclone Tour at 48lbs and another strung with Pro Line X at 48lbs. The KB string is more powerful but no where near the power of a Donnay Pro 1, APD, or PD. The Bio Max 200G is significantly more powerful than the 315 18M although the 16 Mains MAY BE closer to that frame.
3. In my racquet experience I would say the power is slightly more than the Microgel Radical MP. somewhat less than the Delta Core London.
Thanks for the info Roll...FWIW, I don't find the 200G low powered and that is with poly/syngut at 52/54.
What string are you currently using in this racquet? That looks syn.
Where does this rackets flex more? at the head or at the middle?
What is the verdict. The 18x20 or a weighted 300 tour like I have now?
Marsh, it is a full job of prince syn gut at 56#s.
Anybody can compare the feel with Angell RA63?
I've been trying to get away from my normal full poly setup. How do you like full syn in this racquet? Is that the coated or uncoated Prince syn?
Can't but of all the sticks I have owned (including the Prestige Classic 600), this is my favorite feeling racquet. Reminds me a ton of the PT630. Been a while since I hit with one, but you don't forget that feel.
I guess it is coated. It is Prince Original syn gut. I absolutely love it. It plays great for 6-8 hours in the 18x20 and then it's going to break or feel mushy. So you need multiple sticks to rotate, probably string 1-2 times a week depending on how much you play, but it's a rather amazing setup.
I will put Dunlop Ice mains, syn gut crosses in next (my usual setup) to see how it compares.
Have my second coming today. Saving some more paypal cash for a third. Totally loving this racquet.
Changed my lead setup to 8 inches at 3 and 9 for 8 grams. I think I like the racquet more with lead at 3 and 9. It has a lot of plow. Still tweaking just a little, but for anyone not sure how to mod it - I'd recommend 4-6 grams at 3 and 9 to start.
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